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National Carriers With No 4 Engined Aircraft  
User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 711 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

I have just checked on behalf of a friend this morning, what aircraft type he will be flying with AA from LHW to LAX this weekend. I guessed it would be a triple 7 and it seems that is the case. He was desperate to find it would be a 747 as he has never been on one and, i couldnt even picture one now with the AA logo on, so it lead me to do a basic check.

Because this is not an area where i normally find my interest in aviation, i was unaware until this morning, that AA for example, (unless my information is wrong), no longer has any 4 engined aircraft in their fleet such as the 747.

As a world carrier, this surprises me. I know we could pick out some smaller nations having only twins in their fleet, but are there any other Big Nationals that dont use 4 engines any more?


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User currently offlineVgnAtl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4324 times:

Well hear in the US, CO doesn't operate them anymore, and prior to the DL/NW merger DL didn't either.

Your operating economics and route structure (among other things) determine what types of aircraft you operate, not how many engines the aircraft has or how big your country is.



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User currently offlinedh8pu From Canada, joined Apr 2007, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4291 times:

Since the retirement of the A340s, AC has gone with all twins.


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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4232 times:

Define a National carrier. I can think of many large carriers that do not fly 4 engine aircraft. In North America, there are only two large carriers that do fly them.

User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5621 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4215 times:

Air New Zealand is close, IIRC there last B744 goes this year. (If I'm wrong ... que the Kiwis)

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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6304 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

There are a lot of national carriers of small countries that certainly do not have 4-engined aircraft, but as far as "big" nationals go:

Mexicana AND AeroMexico
China Southern - Asia's largest airline...they DO have A380's on order, I believe
Alitalia
Aer Lingus
Brussels Airlines

[Edited 2010-03-16 05:46:39]

User currently offlineSXI899 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2008, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

Druk Air (Bhutan), recently replaced their BAe146s with A319s  


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User currently offlinedalce From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1677 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 5):
Brussels Airlines

They operate the Avro's 

How about LA which is a big one nowadays



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3573 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3962 times:

Quoting NEMA (Thread starter):
He was desperate to find it would be a 747 as he has never been on one and, i couldnt even picture one now with the AA logo on, so it lead me to do a basic check.

IIRC, AA hasn't had the 747s since the late 80s/early 90s, before the MD11s were delivered. I believe that's also the last time AA had a four engined aircraft.



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1316 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 5):
China Southern

They operate 2 74Y's.

Quoting sw733 (Reply 5):
Brussels Airlines

A whole fleet of Avro RJ's.  

Some others:
Austrian Airlines
LOT Polish Airlines



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1316 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

Quoting dalce (Reply 7):
How about LA which is a big one nowadays

5 A340's



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User currently offlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

Aeroflot will retire their 6 IL96's in the not to distant future. That will leave them with only twins.


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User currently offlineinitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3747 times:

Ariana Afghan Airlines (Afghanistan)
Air Algérie (Algeria)
Austrian Airlines (Austria)
Bahrain Air (Bahrain)
Biman Bangladesh (Bangladesh)
LIAT (Antigua)
DrukAir (Bhutan)
Royal Brunei Airlines (Brunei)
Avianca (Colombia)
Hewa Bora Airways (DRC)
Czech Airlines (Czech Republic)
Ethiopian Airlines (Ethiopia)
Dragonair (Hong Kong, CX wholly-owned subsidiary)
Air Jamaica (Jamaica)
Kenya Airways (Kenya)
Lao Airlines (Laos)
Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)
Air Baltic (Latvia)
Luxair (Luxembourg)
Air Macau (Macau SAR)
Air Madagascar (Madagascar)
Air Malawi (Malawi)
Aeromexico (Mexico)
Mexicana (Mexico)
MIAT Mongolian Airlines (Mongolia)
LAM Mozambique Airlines (Mozambique)
Royal Nepal Airlines (Nepal)
Oman Air (Oman)
Peruvian Airlines (Peru)
LOT Polish Airlines (Poland)
STP Airways (São Tomé and Príncipe)
Air Sénégal International (Sénégal)
Air Seychelles (Seychelles)
Air Slovakia (Slovakia)
Adria Airways (Slovenia)
Solomon Airlines (Solomon Islands)
Sudan Airways (Sudan)
Air Tanzania (Tanzania)
Caribbean Airlines (Trinidad and Tobago)
Air Uganda (Uganda)
Ukraine International Airlines (Ukraine)
Aerosvit (Ukraine)
PLUNA (Uruguay)
Uzbekistan Airways (Uzbekistan)
Air Vanuatu (Vanuatu)
Vietnam Airlines (Vietnam, 4 A380-800s on order)
Air Zimbabwe (Zimbabwe)

Basically this is the list of airlines I've compiled. Skipped some countries though, but most major countries should be in the list, cheers!

[Edited 2010-03-16 09:20:51]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24902 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 8):
Quoting NEMA (Thread starter):
He was desperate to find it would be a 747 as he has never been on one and, i couldnt even picture one now with the AA logo on, so it lead me to do a basic check.


IIRC, AA hasn't had the 747s since the late 80s/early 90s, before the MD11s were delivered. I believe that's also the last time AA had a four engined aircraft.

AA's last 4-engine aircraft were the 2 747SPs acquired from TWA in 1987 when they were awarded the DFW-NRT route but had nothing that could operate it. The 2 SPs were sold in 1992 and 1993 after the MD-11s arrived. Prior to the 2 SPs, AA had already been without 4-engine aircraft for about 3 years after the last of their 747-100s were sold.


User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6304 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 9):
They operate 2 74Y's.

Wasn't aware we were counting cargo.


User currently offlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2093 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

TAM/VARIG/GOL (VARIG was once the nat'l carrier of Brazil, now owned by GOL; TAM is the only one flying TATL) don't either (Or does TAM still have their -345s?). If they do, then I guess VARIG/GOL would be another addition.


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User currently offlineB727fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

Doesn't Iran Air still fly ancient 747s?

User currently offlineLospaziale From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

TAP of Portugal as well


lo spaziale
User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2760 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

Air Mauritius

A340's



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4387 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

Quoting Lospaziale (Reply 17):
TAP of Portugal as well

But they fly A340s...

But I think the correct answer to this question is, that due to the ideological nonsense of privatization and liberalization there are no national carriers left, at least no big one. For me a national carrier is more than 50% state owned.

So Aeroflot might be the only national carrier to fly 4 holers, the Il86 and Il96. Are the big Chinese airlines still state owned?


User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 19):
So Aeroflot might be the only national carrier to fly 4 holers, the Il86 and Il96.

SU does not operate the ILW anymore. That leaves them with some 6 IL-96.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 11):
That will leave them with only twins.

Don't they operate the MD11-F anymore? Not a 4engine, but neither a twin  



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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

It's be odd to see SU without any vintage Soviet birds.  

User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6304 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

Quoting B727fan (Reply 16):
Doesn't Iran Air still fly ancient 747s?

Yes, they still have 4 747SP and 1 747-100 (I think?).


User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

The question is Which airlines have replaced the quads with Twins rite?

I guess OA too.
Even Oman Air.



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User currently offlineAirNiugini From Australia, joined Mar 2010, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2437 times:

Air Niugini has all twins too... Maybe a A380 one day LOL   

User currently offlinealwaysontherun From Netherlands Antilles, joined Jan 2010, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2320 times:

TAME (Ecuador) is the national carrier…………..most they´ve got is 3 holers.

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