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DL Mainline To Take Over CVG Ops On May 1  
User currently offlinecvg2lga From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 633 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17017 times:

As of May 1, 2010 Delta mainline will be handing all ramp and gate operations at CVG. We (Regional Elite) are being told today that we will basically be out on the streets.

Our 3 options given are
1. Transfer to an outstation or possible TDY assignments.
2. Apply for 1 of 100 opening mainline Ready Reserve positions.
3. Severance packages. COBRA, 2 wks pay/yrs of service. 1 yr of pass travel/yrs of service.

All flight activity will be moved to concourse B.
As well, the four flight banks CVG has now will be broken down into eight different flight banks.

ASA will stop flying for DL out of CVG as of April 5, 2010.

Tchau

DA-


They don't call em' emergencies anymore. They call em' Patronies.
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User currently offlineBHMDiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16949 times:

WOW. My heart goes out to you and CVG.

User currently offlineSeatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16929 times:

Are they eliminating ALL DL and Connection out of A? Will it go empty or will terminal 2 carriers move in (AA, US, UA, CO)?

User currently offlineiloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16890 times:

Quoting cvg2lga (Thread starter):
As of May 1, 2010 Delta mainline will be handing all ramp and gate operations at CVG. We (Regional Elite) are being told today that we will basically be out on the streets.

I am sorry to hear that. Best wishes and good luck to you all in the future.

On another note (and I am really NOT trying to be offensive to the situation), but:

Does this mean that the CVG "hub" is officially dead? Well, it could be argued that it was dead a looooooong time ago.

Another question I have.....as all flight operations are being transferred to Concourse B, does that mean that DL will give up the exclusive right to operate in Concourse A and C (even though C is already closed)? CVG is a great potential for a low-fare hub/focus city. The population is there and the demand is there.

I've been through CVG a few times and it is a beautiful airport and has a very nice airfield and concourses, but with all the flight cuts, there is no way DL needs all that space.

I really hope that, with the DL cuts and apparent closure of the hub, a low-fare carrier will come in. The fares out of CVG have been overpriced for years. There's a lot of universities in that area (my brother goes to one of them) and they need lower prices. CVG has had a severe bleed of traffic to places like DAY, IND, CMH, and SDF.

Maybe CVG will see the likes of WN, FL, maybe even B6, as they've supposedly been looking for a "Midwestern hub" for years.

Let's hope that DL doesn't get greedy and hold up Concourses A and C, even though they clearly no longer need them. I've heard it's a nightmare in Terminal 2, where all the other carriers are currently crammed.

I believe CVG will shine again in the future. They just need a carrier who is committed to low fares and not price-gouging the flying public.

[Edited 2010-03-16 07:46:58]

User currently offlineSeatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16787 times:

Quoting iloveboeing (Reply 3):
I've heard it's a nightmare in Terminal 2, where all the other carriers are currently crammed.

As much as I hate terminal 2 (because you can't see the ramp traffic unless you're kneeling down b/c the windows are at knee level), when I've travelled out of 2, it's like you're in a small town airport...no security lines etc...

Although, I was glad to finally see they put in a begal shop inside security.

I think we'll begin to see some low fare carrier action in the next couple of years. Cincinnati is almost 2 million with huge Fortune 500 company bases (GE, P&G, Kroger & Macy's).


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6638 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16660 times:

Quoting iloveboeing (Reply 3):
Another question I have.....as all flight operations are being transferred to Concourse B, does that mean that DL will give up the exclusive right to operate in Concourse A and C

IIRC, DL already gave up the rights to C (though they are still on the hook for lease payments). However, C is not very user friendly for LCC's, hence why DL didn't mind giving it up.

Consolidating to B and breaking to 8 mini-banks makes sense as DL converts CVG to a focus city. No need to have larger connecting banks when you are no longer using CVG for many connections. Plus, having the mini-banks improves gate utilization (thus reducing the number of gates needed) and cuts down on employee headcount. It's unfortunate for the regional workers, though the handwriting has been on the wall for sometime. Hopefully, those employees had been preparing for this day.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9555 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16662 times:

Quoting iloveboeing (Reply 3):
Does this mean that the CVG "hub" is officially dead? Well, it could be argued that it was dead a looooooong time ago.

No. Delta did the samething in Atlanta. What is means is Delta mainline will take over all the ramp opps for DCI and mainline. No flights are being cut because of this.

Quoting iloveboeing (Reply 3):
Another question I have.....as all flight operations are being transferred to Concourse B, does that mean that DL will give up the exclusive right to operate in Concourse A and C (even though C is already closed)? CVG is a great potential for a low-fare hub/focus city. The population is there and the demand is there.

its unlikely.



yep.
User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16585 times:

Bummer to hear about anyone hitting the street, but the CLT has been saying that M/L would take over where it makes sense. I would contend CVG is a prime example of just that.


"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1967 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 16546 times:

Quoting cvg2lga (Thread starter):
As of May 1, 2010 Delta
mainline will be handing all ramp and gate operations at CVG.



what are the implications of this? I see some people have asked if this means the hub is dead but if DL were pulling out you would think they would subcontract it and not bring in mainline.


User currently onlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12254 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 16467 times:
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So everyone who wants to see mainline do everything, are you happy now?


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User currently offlinehiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2175 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 16459 times:

CVG is the first major casualty of the merger (more to come I suspect). ASA/Skywest going away is quite interesting as ASA/Skywest is going into IAD for UA with 14 crj already castoff from DL. With Republic picking up two 'mainline' carriers I suspect that we are going to see some big shifts over the next year as RAH consolidates and other regionals move in to replace....especially in view of some of the larger carriers RAH flies for now and their respective scope clauses with ALPA. Hopefully RAH has read/reread the story of Atlantic Coast/Indy Air.   

User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1930 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 16296 times:

Damn! I remember when this happened in MCO and I knew a few Comair guys that moved to CVG to keep their jobs. Now they're going through it again there, too. I'm really surprised. With the drastic cutback of mainline flights, I really expected mainline to get the boot and regional elite to take over all of it. Very disappointing. I'm sorry to hear about your job, Dave. I know EXACTLY how you feel. It really sucks.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7657 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 16170 times:

Regional ramper jobs come and go like the seasons, or the provider.....these aren't career-making positions folks. Making $8-$10/hr does not attract a lot of lifers. Nevermind the turnover is typically more than 50% with these jobs. Most of these folks probably haven't been there more than a year.

At least with the mainline jobs some of these are people who have make a career out of working the ramp.


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3594 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 16049 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 7):
Bummer to hear about anyone hitting the street, but the CLT has been saying that M/L would take over where it makes sense.

Not to appear dense, but I assume you are not refering to Charlotte Douglas Airport. Who is CLT? (I do assume that M/L means "mainline" in your post).


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9555 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 15994 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 8):
what are the implications of this? I see some people have asked if this means the hub is dead but if DL were pulling out you would think they would subcontract it and not bring in mainline.
Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 13):


Not to appear dense, but I assume you are not refering to Charlotte Douglas Airport. Who is CLT? (I do assume that M/L means "mainline" in your post).

Corp. leadership team.



yep.
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 15981 times:

Quoting iloveboeing (Reply 3):
Does this mean that the CVG "hub" is officially dead?

No. It was dead long before this but don't take this the wrong way. As others have said, this was the same strategy with Atlanta. JG leaned pretty hard on the DCI carriers and the new program was evidence of that.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):

I would have to disagree. There are a lot of senior folks working for Comair, especially in CVG. The exact same thing happened in Atlanta when DL took over all OPS for ASA. There were folks that had moved from Dallas when the hub was closed only to be out of a job 3 yrs later. Quite a few had actually gotten on with DL but most certainly not all. Plus, those that did get hired lost all their seniority in every sense ffrom what I can remember.

IDK why people glorify mainline jobs over the regionals. Lets be real, they're both not "lifer" jobs; not like what it was. However, the opportunity is there for both. Especially with companies like Comair, ASA, SkyWest, American Eagle, etc.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9555 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15958 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 14):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 8):
what are the implications of this? I see some people have asked if this means the hub is dead but if DL were pulling out you would think they would subcontract it and not bring in mainline.

Ok, why it didn't work the first time, I'm not sure.....so ill try again.
Like i said, they did it in Atlanta not to long ago. With them cutting so much mainline they have to many M/L staff for the flights they have now. Seeing that they don't want to get called out on the No job loss thing they will go to an all Mainline station like ATL and let go of all the OH rampers. (and you can see that they have a bunch of extra staff, DL will be taking over 150ish flights and they are only adding 100 RR.)



yep.
User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15942 times:

I find it fascinating that there is no mention of this on Deltanet. More of that "no mainline jobs will be lost as a result of the merger" propaganda. WTF was the point of creating Regional Elite if they are going to turn around an eliminate a large chunk of the work group? My thoughts go out to the REHS employees being affected. And while they may not be career jobs... they're still JOBS and this cut, will no doubt be affecting many people negatively. I understand why and how CVG is being restructured, but the way DL conveniently keeps this quiet is outrageous. We'll see if this news makes it to Deltanet today. I'm not holding my breath though.

Also, we should get the thread title updated to read "DL mainline to take over CVG ground ops on May 1." Without including the "ground ops" portion, you end up with the endless questions from people who don't read the thread, asking questions that don't pertain to the topic.

[Edited 2010-03-16 09:18:32]

User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15899 times:

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 18):
but the way DL conveniently keeps this quiet is outrageous. We'll see if this news makes it to Deltanet today. I'm not holding my breath though.

It's on Deltanet, right now.  



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineocracoke From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15805 times:

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 18):
I find it fascinating that there is no mention of this on Deltanet. More of that "no mainline jobs will be lost as a result of the merger" propaganda.

Bummer for the RHS people. In ATL, IIRC, they were at least given the opportunity to get on full time with DL, not just ready-reserve. Perhaps the CVG hub is so far cut that there simply are no full/part time options available there?
Somehow, I have a feeling that CVG is only the first. I wouldn't be surprised if this action were to roll out to other stations where there are mainline/regional at the same place, including a number of former NW stations.
Perhaps someone at CVG leaked it out before it was to be announced company wide? IDK. Just guessing why you didn't see this on your company web page.


User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15771 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 13):
Not to appear dense, but I assume you are not refering to Charlotte Douglas Airport. Who is CLT? (I do assume that M/L means "mainline" in your post).

Corporate Leadership Team.

Correct on "M/L"



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15723 times:

Quoting ocracoke (Reply 19):
Just guessing why you didn't see this on your company web page.

I guess some people are just impatient. It was on Deltanet less than two hours from the time that the OP posted this.


Or they see conspiracies and evil in everything DL does.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlinecvg2lga From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15565 times:

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 17):
Also, we should get the thread title updated to read "DL mainline to take over CVG ground ops on May 1." Without including the "ground ops" portion, you end up with the endless questions from people who don't read the thread, asking questions that don't pertain to the topic.

Well they are taking over gate and the ramp tower positions filled by Regional Elite at concourse A as well. It is all inclusive, not just ground handling.

Quoting mayor (Reply 21):
I guess some people are just impatient. It was on Deltanet less than two hours from the time that the OP posted this.


Or they see conspiracies and evil in everything DL does.

I guess some people feel like sharing pertinent aviation news on this aviation website. Besides anyone who views Deltanet can clearly read between the lines the self-serving spin Delta puts on every article to make itself seem better and important in the grand scheme of everything. Which it is not.

Tchau

DA-



They don't call em' emergencies anymore. They call em' Patronies.
User currently offlineavconsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15482 times:

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 10):
Hopefully RAH has read/reread the story of Atlantic Coast/Indy Air.

Exactly. I do think RAH will lose contracts from M/L carriers. Not as much as a violation of scope clause because of RAH separation of business units and operating certificates, but RAH is now a competitor of their partners.

Quoting cvg2lga (Thread starter):
We (Regional Elite) are being told today that we will basically be out on the streets.

This is surprising given the recent creation of Regional Elite, I cannot imagine the DL staff having a lower operating cost. When DL closed Concourse C were regional flight moved to Concourse B or did A absorb all flights?


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15467 times:

Quoting cvg2lga (Reply 22):
I guess some people feel like sharing pertinent aviation news on this aviation website. Besides anyone who views Deltanet can clearly read between the lines the self-serving spin Delta puts on every article to make itself seem better and important in the grand scheme of everything. Which it is not.

Thank you for making my point. However, YOU are off topic. What they stated was not pertinent aviation news but a slam towards DL for not getting the info on Deltanet as promptly as he would have liked. I merely replied to that.

The fact that you are able to read between the lines on Deltanet only means that you are predisposed to put what you want between the lines.

I've no way to see any other carrier's employee websites, but I would imagine there is very little, if any, difference in them.


Okay......BACK on topic.

I feel sorry for anyone to lose their jobs, but if anyone had to keep theirs, I guess I would always lean towards mainline rather than regional. Sorry, but that's just the way I regard the situation.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
25 deltal1011man : Not a good idea when they have yet to vote for a union.
26 Post contains links jbmitt : Here is a good article about it, lots of comments too. http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...03160011/Delta+closing+Concourse+A
27 avconsultant : If the M/L guys are going to vote for a union, this is probably a carrot for DL knows the votes are not there. For if DL knew they would be in favor
28 Surprise : One of the reasons this information is not immediately put on Deltanet is because it's important the affected people hear it from their leaders first
29 lucky777 : I'm ecstatic to be frank. While it's unfortunate that many Regional Elite employees will be shown the door in the process, let's not fool ourselves,
30 Post contains images deltal1011man : Well, if you live in the few mainline stations then yea i guess so.
31 KaiGywer : I usually respect your opinion, but you just lost my respect... So that makes it all good for hundreds of people to lose their jobs? They were handli
32 DLX737200 : Hold on just a second. While this statement may be true for cities like mine, this is not true at CVG where Comair had their own people from day one
33 SNCntry32 : I will agree and I wonder if Mesaba will get the boot in DTW and MSP and mainline will be doing all the handeling for the regional flights. If anyone
34 deltal1011man : huh? OH has pretty much replaced mainline out of CVG....so i would bet anything that atleast ONE mainline job has been lost, while one OH job was add
35 DLX737200 : But you can't blame the OH people for this. They're not the ones who decided to replace mainline flights with regional flights. Blame your almighty m
36 Airport : Does this mean that all or most of the flying out of CVG will now be on mainline equipment, or will there still be regional flying, just now staffed b
37 CVG72 : This really sucks. My heart goes out to you guys. CVG is becoming a damn ghost town, and it ain't right. IMO, CVG is a pretty viable hub for anyone wh
38 Post contains images deltal1011man : I didn't say i did. agreed. agreed again. My point was OH jobs had replaced mainline jobs, It's on Delta, i agree, but they have still done so. This
39 Seatback : A year ago I would not have suggested this, but with RAH at the helm at F9, maybe they'd give CVG a look. It's got a ready workforce, plenty of termi
40 nwaesc : Why would you say that? RHS was created with the idea of consolidating XJ, OH, & CP, as well as competing for 3rd party contracts. It was not mea
41 Post contains images deltal1011man : Without true scope i worry for anyone working the ramp outside of the hubs and a few larger citys. While I'm not a big IAM fan, I hope to see some ty
42 Post contains links CVG72 : What's crazy is just yesterday, Kentucky (remember: CVG is in Kentucky) Governor Steve Beshear said the state would be open to economic incentives to
43 7673mech : Wow usually goes the other way. Mainline lose out to contractors. Not to sound cold but unfortunately that happens a lot in airline contract services.
44 DLX737200 : I've said this before and I'll say it again, even though this is technically off topic for this thread, I was in high school in Orlando, Florida when
45 milesrich : When you take a job for peanuts pay and put someone out of a job making a living wage, eventually, you lose your job too. I call it the race to the bo
46 avconsultant : Apparently DL notified CVG of this announcement prior. Read the other article from above, Monday night the airport board approved $1M in moving the T
47 KaiGywer : Cole, you do realize in that case, you are cheap outsourced labor yourself? What would you say if tomorrow DL told CP that you'll all lose your jobs,
48 steeler83 : And hopefully, the right politics and politicians are there as well! Otherwise, CVG will be destined to become yet another PIT, which is only about t
49 aviationwiz : Your post baffles me. First you say you have little pity for those that will be out a job come May, but then you say "people are important." - I'll a
50 DLX737200 : This may be inappropriate and childish but I have to... In the words of The Office's Michael Scott: "Boom. Roasted."
51 nwaesc : Yeah, I know. It's just easier to say "RHS." Old habits die hard, I guess...
52 skyguyB727 : It's quite simple. Mainline jobs offer a livable wage, benefits, and long term career opportunities. Regional carriers generally offer minimum wage,
53 FlyASAGuy2005 : In the end, you do realize that a majority of the DL empoyees were former ASA folks, right. Also, numbers had started to improve long before DL decid
54 nwaesc : It was a rhetorical question. ...And yet you had no problem taking the job. More importantly, no problem staying once you knew "the story." Just seem
55 commavia : This just makes sense from a financial and operational perspective. Mainline employees no doubt cost more than regional employees at lower payscales,
56 GlobalCabotage : We all knew this was the fate of CVG. On the bright side, WN, "Come on Down, you are the next contestant on let's make MDW / BNA / BWI / PHX / STL / L
57 CVG72 : But would WN really be that well off with CVG? WN flies from SDF and CMH. CVG is right in the middle. Is it really necessary?
58 Post contains links and images kingcavalier : I read through this entire thread and was ready to ask a question about the posssibility of moving the airlines out of terminal 2 into the soon to be
59 apodino : Well, this frees up a lot of gate space. And with DL giving up exclusivity in A, what I think should happen is for the three airlines left in terminal
60 SNCntry32 : No kidding im cheap outsourced labor. The difference is, we all know it... Would most of us be upset if mainline took over CP ops? Yes. Would we unde
61 DeltAirlines : No reason why not - CVG is a city with a very good sized corporate presence. It would fit in quite well with Southwest's new philosophy of focusing o
62 Post contains images CIDflyer : wow too bad...seems like CVG is becoming another STL story
63 LHCVG : It's also been discussed before that the current WN ops at SDF, CMH, etc. currently steal a bit of Cincy traffic, so inevitably some of that would go
64 commavia : I don't think there's any question that Southwest would be immensely successful in Cincinnati if they chose to fly there - just like the other former
65 jetlanta : Cincinnati didn't change. The industry did. If there was no question, Southwest would already be there. Southwest has had success in former hubs that
66 commavia : Southwest is busy in other places right now - just because they're not in CVG now doesn't mean they won't be there at some point in the future. I per
67 jetlanta : If Delta actually does pull down CVG to less then 100 flights or so, I'm sure you are right. Except they haven't done that. Until they do, Southwest
68 Post contains images commavia : We are in complete agreement. The point I'm making is that I think Delta will be pulling back CVG below - well below - 100 flights, in the not-too-di
69 LHCVG : Commavia makes a point that I think some on here forget from time to time -- closing a hub is not at simple as "bye" and 100 to 10 flights in a day,
70 Post contains images nwaesc : I don't think so... otherwise-as other have noted- they'd already be there. I dunno... it's happened before. Maybe not literally overnight, but close
71 Post contains images aviationbuff08 : I see a trend starting to develope, and the writing is definately on the wall now. If I were a REAS employee in either DTW or MSP I'd either start tr
72 nwaesc : I think it's important to note one thing about AS' scope clause in it's RSSA CBA; it has a loophole a mile wide, stating that anything that can be do
73 nwaesc : Well put. ...And for those OH/REAS employees affected in CVG, I hope that skill set translates into a new position with M/L.
74 brandonfs88 : Too bad all the positions are ready reserve
75 FlyPNS1 : Not really. None of those markets gets that much traffic from CVG and what little they get is mostly leisure traffic that is easily replaceable. I'll
76 mayor : Well, I would always lean towards the people that I worked with, instead of someone I didn't, wouldn't you?
77 KaiGywer : Yes and no. But then again (as far as I know), you never worked with the mainline employees in CVG before they became Comair (I don't know when that
78 mayor : I didn't work with them in CVG, but I did work with some that transferred there from SLC and I had dealings with some of the others that worked there
79 KaiGywer : I think what he meant is that they become all rather than split ops I didn't see posts on here with people being ecstatic when the reverse was happen
80 mayor : Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I hardly think my reply was "ecstatic". Maybe it's because most mainline employees have more invested in the
81 nwaesc : I know man, I know... I'd say this thread is a pretty good indicator of just that. Fair enough. Maybe not, but it's still fresh in people's minds (as
82 deltal1011man : Um yes it can. Delta went from 200-250 flights to 50ish at DFW in just a few hours. overnight.
83 mayor : And a good portion of those flights ended up in SLC.
84 LHCVG : True, but that created problems for the DL system, so it was not a good move necessarily. I should have qualified my point by noting that it has been
85 DeltAirlines : You're completely right in that short-term wise, the move in DFW to go from full-fledged hub to basically a spoke city overnight was problematic. Log
86 mayor : I've mentioned this before and I can't recall the exact time period, but when I was working at SLC, it seemed like it was basically a competition bet
87 PSU.DTW.SCE : 2002 - 2003 ish. Then there was the more plausible rumor that in the event of a UA shutdown / Ch. 7 liquidation (when UA dragged through Ch. 11) that
88 commavia : As unlikely as a United liquidation always as, I agree that - in the hypothetical event that that would have happened - Delta moving their hub to Den
89 mayor : Well, the "move SLC to DEN" rumor was long dead, but the LAS rumor lived on....and on.....and on. BTW, I don't believe either rumor was plausible bec
90 commavia : Southwest has been calling the shots in Las Vegas for quite some time - definitely well over a decade. America West was competitive there ten years a
91 mayor : Well, to tell you the truth, I never thought either rumor held much water, even when I was in SLC.
92 commavia : Agree completely. There is no real alternative to SLC except DEN, and as you said - that was pretty much a non-starter to begin with. Whether DFW, PH
93 mayor : Amazing, too.....when you consider that it was never designed to be a hub. Concourse C was there when WA started their hub and D was added in '84 or
94 Post contains links flyguy89 : http://www.cvgairport.com/about/news...603ac2-0835-4c7f-bd19-0c89ef3f561a KCAB CEO released a statement about it today. Nothing much new except that a
95 CRJ200FAGuy : To most people it doesn't, but mainliners are better than the regional folks. That's evident when a mainliner non revs and ignores your instructions
96 nwaesc : That may have been your experience, but it's quite a generalization. I have never seen Airlink people treated rudely simply because of what's on thei
97 FWAERJ : I wonder if there's an escape or opt-out clause if DL isn't using their gates, or if the terms are amendable, much like there was with Concourse C. O
98 usa330300 : This is great news! Good for the mainline at DL. Unfortunately this will not be the norm system wide, but it is a good start.
99 United787 : Agreed! Proof? My wife just paid $488 for a roundtrip ticket ORD-CVG more than 14 days out...that is insane... Yes, it is a major business market in
100 Post contains images mayor : How so? Where is the insanity threshold, in your mind?
101 nwaesc : No it's not. It's less than $1.00 per mile. Hey, the midwest is lovely this time of year; maybe she can drive instead...
102 KaiGywer : At only 320 miles airport to airport, that's not a bad drive at all, and depending on where in Chicago you live and where in Cincinnati she is going,
103 CRJ200FAGuy : That may have been your experience, but it's quite a generalization. I have never seen Airlink people treated rudely simply because of what's on thei
104 nwaesc : It's absolutely a generalization. "Several people in different outstations" =/= All mainline. Stay angry at the people who've given you shit all you
105 Post contains images United787 : If you can fly the following routes: ORD-NYC for less than $250 ORD-SFO for less than $350 ORD-CLE for less than $200 How is ORD-CVG at $488 not cons
106 nwaesc : The better question is, why are the other routes so cheap? Well, then she flies. I guess that's that. Maybe the fact that it's same day travel factor
107 LHCVG : Indeed. Just like the NYC-LAX fares are always in the tank because of, what, 5 players on the route? I'm thinking AA, DL, UA, VX, B6. ORD-CVG only ha
108 FWAERJ : You're right on the high fares/lack of competition. But you're wrong that "only" UA and DL serve ORD-CVG. AA (Eagle until 4/5; Connection/RP from 4/6
109 United787 : Those are pretty standard fares from my experience. You must be from CVG, MSP or similar if you think those prices are so cheap!
110 Post contains images KaiGywer : No real competition Lots of competition
111 nwaesc : Nope, neither. Just tired of the members of the American traveling public who think that cheap airfares are a birthright.
112 Post contains images United787 : The travelling public doesn't set the fares, the airlines do. If the airlines are flying unprofitable routes, raise the fares, some will choose not t
113 worldtraveler : When all three of the largest network carriers in the US fly the route, there is plenty of competition. DL is adjusting the costs at CVG relative to
114 FlyPNS1 : Where the competition is solely legacy carriers, there is little real competition. The legacies have an unwritten agreement to keep fares much higher
115 GQfluffy : 14 days? The rule has long ago been changed to 21 days if you want cheaper fares. She's flying to and from the same day? There's the reason for your
116 compensateme : Partially true. If airfares suddenly soared, casual/leisure air travel would plunge, with vacation destinations hurt most. People would consider alte
117 iloveboeing : Despite what others have said to your comment, I totally agree with you: THAT IS INSANE! I am flying STL-ATL-LAX round-trip for under $250 (including
118 nwaesc : No, rational ones are.
119 Post contains images mayor : The poster that said this: Would seem to disagree with you. Of course, he also said this: For those, like you that want ever decreasing fares, I woul
120 compensateme : And I can find plenty of dates CVG/ORD can be had for $217 (including taxes/fees) and some dates for less than $200; those prices are comparable to o
121 commavia : I don't think anyone is "crying" for higher fares in and out of themselves - but simply stating reality: airlines are generally not making money (or
122 worldtraveler : While the whole pricing issue is very intriguing, it is not the focus of this thread. This thread is about DL's decision to get rid of its contractor
123 Post contains images mayor : That would be the "Greyhound" people, I believe.
124 TLHFLA : One of the articles I was reading about this said that Concourse A was built in the 1980s, but the Current Terminal 3 landside and Concourse B was bui
125 LHCVG : Not sure about how it was exactly connected, but there was an old T3 landside back in the 80s (not sure when it was originally built though). All I c
126 jsnww81 : The original Terminal 3 opened in 1974 (along with the current Terminal 2) and was of an identical design - a ticketing building, baggage claim build
127 mayor : And there was a general store where you could get some great popcorn and there was also an aviation museum there, IIRC.
128 TLHFLA : That makes sense. When you look at an aerial view of the airport, you can see where the former connection for A extends out to the north. I hope they
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