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Observations & Questions About The New MIA  
User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

I recently flew out of MIA and had the opportunity to walk around a bit, which I have not done there since 2006. The following are my observations along with a bunch of questions. Any answers are much appreciated!

The South Terminal is wonderful. Concourse J has some of the best architecture I have seen in a terminal in the United States in a while. My flight was around 8:30 PM from Concourse H, so I walked around both concourses airside. J was busy with flights leaving for Zurich, Dusseldorf, several to South America, and a US Airways domestic flight. H seemed EMPTY! There was one Delta flight leaving for JFK and another for ATL, and a Continental flight to EWR but the rest of the gates were empty. Is it busier during the day or are they underutilized then too? Will Continental be moving over to J soon since they joined the Star Alliance?

Was there an FIS facility there before the South Terminal opened? If not, what concourses did Air France/Alitalia/Copa use? It looks like they made the third level of Concourse H a passageway to the FIS--when did this happen, and what used to be on the third level?

The check-in areas for Concourse E/F/G seemed pretty dumpy, as I remember them. I looked for the old TWA sign on the arrivals area of Concourse G that some A.netters had talked about but I either missed it or it has been removed. I understand that something like 90%+ of MIA traffic will either be using the North or South Terminal when the North terminal is completed. I assume that British Airways, LAN, Iberia, Mexicana, and Finnair will all be moving to the North Terminal soon? That will leave Virgin Atlantic as the only major world carrier not in the South or North Terminal...I would imagine they will move to H or J soon.

The only flaw I can see in the South Terminal is that it looks like it will be a long walk to the MIA Mover when that opens. Thus a passenger flying into the South Terminal (and parts of the North Terminal too) who is renting a car or trying to connect to a train will have a fairly long hike to get to the monorail that will take them to the Miami Intermodal Center. I wonder why they didn't decide to make two stops at MIA--one on the North side, and one on the South side?

With most of the airport traffic to soon be using the North or South terminal, I understand that there are plans to create a "Central Terminal" of sorts. I imagine this will be a fairly easy process compared to the North Terminal construction, and will leave MIA with amazing facilities all around.

The check-in areas for the North Terminal seemed brand-new and quite lovely. It looks like it will be a fantastic facility when it is completed.

One last big question I have. Before all of this construction began, were there just FIS facilities in Concourses A, E, and F? And when it is over, will there just be three FIS--one each in the North, Central, and South terminals?

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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3394 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
Is it busier during the day or are they underutilized then too?

It's much busier during the day. The last flights out of Concourse H tend to leave by 8 PM, but every gate on the west side of the concourse is occupied late at night and early in the morning with all the CO and DL RONs.

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
Will Continental be moving over to J soon since they joined the Star Alliance?

I have no idea. I would guess that the airport would prefer to finish the North Terminal project before doing yet another concourse shuffle.

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
Was there an FIS facility there before the South Terminal opened? If not, what concourses did Air France/Alitalia/Copa use? It looks like they made the third level of Concourse H a passageway to the FIS--when did this happen, and what used to be on the third level?

Nope, before the South Terminal opened in 2007, there were only FIS facilities in Concourses B and E. The only concourses that could process international arrivals were Concourses A, B, C (one gate, used only briefly), D, E, and F. Concourses G and H were domestic-only.

The third level of Concourse H, to my knowledge, used to only contain moving walkways to facilitate the trek to the gates at the far end of the concourse (Gates H12, H14, H15, and H17). They isolated the moving walkways from the rest of the terminal and voila! They had a sterile circulation corridor to link to the J FIS.

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
That will leave Virgin Atlantic as the only major world carrier not in the South or North Terminal...I would imagine they will move to H or J soon.

I highly doubt it. Non-aligned carriers such as AB, AR, SS, and VS will more than likely end up in Concourses E or F.

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
The only flaw I can see in the South Terminal is that it looks like it will be a long walk to the MIA Mover when that opens. Thus a passenger flying into the South Terminal (and parts of the North Terminal too) who is renting a car or trying to connect to a train will have a fairly long hike to get to the monorail that will take them to the Miami Intermodal Center. I wonder why they didn't decide to make two stops at MIA--one on the North side, and one on the South side?

The stop is actually quite centrally located, nestled between the Dolphin and Flamingo parking garages. If you take the pedestrian bridge to the Flamingo Parking Garage that extends just west of the J International Arrivals hall, you'll notice that it's actually displaced from the edge of parking garage. Presumably, it will be extended all the way to the station, and perhaps even feature moving walkways. Similarly, the Dolphin Parking Garage has actually had (outdoor!) moving walkways in place for the eventual connection to the MIA Mover station since it was expanded in the 1990s, though they've been shut off since God-knows-when. Once all is said and done, the station should be roughly equidistant from any concourse.

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
One last big question I have. Before all of this construction began, were there just FIS facilities in Concourses A, E, and F? And when it is over, will there just be three FIS--one each in the North, Central, and South terminals?

Before 2007, there were only two FIS facilities, in Concourse B (which served Concourses A, B, and C), and in Concourse E (which served Concourses D, E, and F). Theoretically, a passenger arriving in Concourse A could be processed at the E FIS, since all of the sterile hallways were interconnected, and this was a fairly routine occurrence for international flights arriving at the north side of the airport after the B FIS closed for the night. I remember a long trek from Concourse A to E in 2002 after arriving on the midnight Air France flight from CDG, which has since been discontinued.

The airport's 24 hour FIS is now the one in Concourse J, with the one in Concourse E closing after the last international arrival around 23:00. Any flight delayed any further than that will processed at the J-FIS.

The B FIS was closed when the J FIS opened, and it's probably long gone by now. It'll be replaced by a new FIS in the former Concourse C that will serve all of Concourse D. So, yes, there will be an FIS in each "terminal" once all is said and done.


User currently offlinekellmark From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 693 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
The South Terminal is wonderful. Concourse J has some of the best architecture I have seen in a terminal in the United States in a while.

I have to disagree. I have flown out of there on several occasions, and the gate holding areas are quite small for the size of aircraft that operate out of that terminal. People wind up sitting on the floor or just standing for a quite a long time.

Also, I happen to dislike the dark interior. They could have made it much lighter and brighter looking, especially considering it is in South Florida, in the Sunshine State. Very dreary.

The other thing is that when you look at it from the outside it looks nothing like the rest of the terminal, (new or old). It sticks out like a sore thumb. The ramp tower does look interesting, however, reminding me of the bridge on a star ship battle cruiser.


User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 1):
The only concourses that could process international arrivals were Concourses A, B, C (one gate, used only briefly), D, E, and F. Concourses G and H were domestic-only.

Very interesting. I've never flown international into MIA, so I didn't realize they were all connected on the third level for FIS processing. Were/are there moving escalators up there? Is it modern, or is it ancient?

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 1):
They isolated the moving walkways from the rest of the terminal and voila! They had a sterile circulation corridor to link to the J FIS.

So where were Air France/Alitalia/Copa before this opened in 2007? Same question for the international airlines now in J.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 1):
Non-aligned carriers such as AB, AR, SS, and VS will more than likely end up in Concourses E or F.

I guess, but somehow Virgin seems like it belongs in a nicer concourse!

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 1):
Once all is said and done, the station should be roughly equidistant from any concourse.

Thanks for this explanation. I am glad it is more or less equidistant; some of the maps make it look like a schlep.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 1):
and in Concourse E (which served Concourses D, E, and F).

This one must be an absolute mess today, since it is the only FIS for American and all of the other airlines using F.

Quoting kellmark (Reply 2):
Also, I happen to dislike the dark interior. They could have made it much lighter and brighter looking, especially considering it is in South Florida, in the Sunshine State. Very dreary.

It is definitely not bright, but it is airy. I know what you are saying, but somehow I still think it works. I don't think it is dreary at all. It is very cool to look at! But these things are always a matter of personal taste.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3394 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

Quoting kellmark (Reply 2):
I have to disagree. I have flown out of there on several occasions, and the gate holding areas are quite small for the size of aircraft that operate out of that terminal. People wind up sitting on the floor or just standing for a quite a long time.

Also, I happen to dislike the dark interior. They could have made it much lighter and brighter looking, especially considering it is in South Florida, in the Sunshine State. Very dreary.

Agreed! Concourse H is what an airport terminal in Miami should look like. Now, the uniforms, on the other hand, should be burned...

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 3):
Very interesting. I've never flown international into MIA, so I didn't realize they were all connected on the third level for FIS processing. Were/are there moving escalators up there? Is it modern, or is it ancient?

I have no idea, to be honest. I've only made the trek from Concourse A to E once, and I was too young to remember much of it. I know there were moving walkways from the high A gates to the FIS in Concourse B, but I don't know about the rest of the terminal.

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 3):
So where were Air France/Alitalia/Copa before this opened in 2007? Same question for the international airlines now in J.

I think all three were in Concourse F, along with Aerolineas Argentinas, Caribbean and Lufthansa. LAN, Swiss, TAM, and TACA were in Concourse A, with Avianca in the Concourse E satellite.

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 3):
This one must be an absolute mess today, since it is the only FIS for American and all of the other airlines using F.

Indeed, and it dates back to the airport's opening! (though it received major renovations in the 1980s) From what I understand, it's horribly cramped and cave-like.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4224 times:
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Quoting rjpieces (Reply 3):
I guess, but somehow Virgin seems like it belongs in a nicer concourse!

Virgin should be on a better concourse. Access to teh better concourses is by alliance, Concourses H & J are Skyteam and Star plus A-D is AA(Oneworld). AA should give BA access to A-D terminal but then BA Doesn't allow AA into terminal 5 at LHR, so AA could be looking for a little more from BA at LHR.


User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 4):
Concourse H is what an airport terminal in Miami should look like.

You think so? It was nice, and I guess the green is kind of Florida-ish (reminds me of FLL in fact), but I still liked Concourse J as well.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 4):
Now, the uniforms, on the other hand, should be burned...

What uniforms?

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 4):
I have no idea, to be honest. I've only made the trek from Concourse A to E once, and I was too young to remember much of it. I know there were moving walkways from the high A gates to the FIS in Concourse B, but I don't know about the rest of the terminal.

Are the passages to the Concourse E FIS overlooking the concourse below, or are there no windows?

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 4):

Indeed, and it dates back to the airport's opening! (though it received major renovations in the 1980s) From what I understand, it's horribly cramped and cave-like.

When does the Concourse D FIS open? I'm sure that will be quite lovely.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):

Virgin should be on a better concourse. Access to teh better concourses is by alliance,

Yes, but does this mean that non-Alliance airlines can't also use a concourse? I'd be surprised if they are that strict about it...


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33053 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):
AA should give BA access to A-D terminal but then BA Doesn't allow AA into terminal 5 at LHR, so AA could be looking for a little more from BA at LHR.

Alaska, British Airways, Finnair, Iberia, the LAN airlines and Mexicana are all moving to D, and the process will probably start late this year.

British Airways will be opening an entirely refurbished Terraces club and First Class Lounge in D.

AA does not decide who gets access. All gates are common-use. AA has priority, of course, of Concourse D gates, and right now there is no room in D for anybody except AA.



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3394 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 6):
What uniforms?

This rendering is the only thing I could find:

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 6):
Are the passages to the Concourse E FIS overlooking the concourse below, or are there no windows?

I think the passages from Concourse D to E and from F to E have windows and even some type of water feature (perhaps a fountain of some sort?) that seems to have fallen into disrepair long ago.

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 6):
When does the Concourse D FIS open? I'm sure that will be quite lovely.

It should be open by this time next year. Apparently, it'll empty out onto the first floor like the E FIS, rather than the third floor like the J FIS.


User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
British Airways will be opening an entirely refurbished Terraces club and First Class Lounge in D.

How many clubs will American have once the North Terminal is complete?

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 8):
This rendering is the only thing I could find:

Who wears these uniforms?!


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3453 times:
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The "NEW" MIA is great but why did it take 20 years and 2 airline going broke to do it? OK Pan AM and Eastern didn't have the deep pockets to make MIA what evryone agrees it should have been, AA does. Ever since AA took over from Eastern to become the hub airline in Miami in 1991, its been a radiactive football.

IT didn't take AA 20 years to get a new JFK terminal( and NY politics are not easy). After 9/11 delays, fights over general contractors and too lawyers to count the A-D terminal is finally here.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33053 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 9):

How many clubs will American have once the North Terminal is complete?

Two Admirals Clubs and a Flagship Lounge, just like now. Though the Concourse E Admirals Club will be replaced with the low D-gates Admirals Club (old Concourse A; it is already completed and was even open for a short while) and the a brand-new Flagship Lounge will replace the current one.



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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

What will happen to E/F/G once the North Terminal is fully open?

I'm hoping to use the North Terminal for the first time on Monday.

[Edited 2010-03-27 16:04:52]


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User currently offlinesflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 12):

I'm hoping to use the North Terminal for the first time on Monday.

Well if you are flying AA you will most liekly be in the almost finished north concourse. Honestly, few flights are now using E. Remember it's not really the North Terminal but rather the north terminal area. There is only 1 terminal at MIA. The only thing is be prepared to walk as the trAAm is not yet functional.

As for E/F/G they will remain the way they are with some minor touch ups of course.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3394 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 9):
Who wears these uniforms?!

Miami-Dade Aviation Department Terminal Operations agents. Landside Operations officers wear a "lite" version of the shirt.


User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Quoting sflaflight (Reply 13):
As for E/F/G they will remain the way they are with some minor touch ups of course.

MIA says that "the new MIA" will account for over 95% of passengers - who will the other 5% be?

How are terminal assignments decided at MIA, anyway? Other than AA, it all looks rather random.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33053 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 15):

How are terminal assignments decided at MIA, anyway? Other than AA, it all looks rather random.

It is random right now due to construction.

When complete, oneWorld in the north terminal, Star and SkyTeam in the South Terminal, and non-affiliated and charters in the central concourse.



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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
When complete, oneWorld in the north terminal, Star and SkyTeam in the South Terminal, and non-affiliated and charters in the central concourse.

OK. That's clearly what makes the most sense but I wasn't sure as unlike e.g. LHR, there hasn't been a plan posted for the reorganization that I've seen (too early yet, I guess). All I knew was that all the oneworld carriers were going to the North Terminal once the FIS and international gates (re-)open.

I imagine some non-aligned airlines that seem to have been randomly put in the South Terminal might not be thrilled at moving.

I think some gate re-lettering would be in order too, A for all the North gates, B/C/D for Central and E/F for South. A/D/E/F/G/H/J (or just D/E/F/G/H/J?) doesn't make a whole lot of sense.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33053 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 17):

I think some gate re-lettering would be in order too, A for all the North gates, B/C/D for Central and E/F for South. A/D/E/F/G/H/J (or just D/E/F/G/H/J?) doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

No plans to re-number gates, except for the A gates which will be renumbered as D gates when they open later this year.



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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
the A gates which will be renumbered as D gates when they open later this year.

At least that eliminates, "Where are B and C?"



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User currently offlines4popo From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 17):
I think some gate re-lettering would be in order too, A for all the North gates, B/C/D for Central and E/F for South. A/D/E/F/G/H/J (or just D/E/F/G/H/J?) doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

I wouldn't hold my breath. That would make too much sense for Miami-Dade County.   


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33053 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Quoting s4popo (Reply 20):

I wouldn't hold my breath. That would make too much sense for Miami-Dade County.

Actually, no, it does not. There is logic behind not changing the gate numbers - logic in familiarity and not confusing customers. Not to mention the hundreds of money - likely in the hundred of thousands - to replace simple signage throughout the airport.

[Edited 2010-03-28 20:39:57]


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User currently offlinesflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):

Actually, no, it does not. There is logic behind not changing the gate numbers - logic in familiarity and not confusing customers. Not to mention the hundreds of money - likely in the hundred of thousands - to replace simple signage throughout the airport.

today absolutely, but remember at one time there was even talk of a north terminal with gates A-C to be located at the intersection of 36 Street and LeJeune (Old hdqt building) while the current terminal was to become the south terminal. Never happened though. So I guess this is the next best thing....


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3394 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

Personally, I think that if AV/TA/LR were to join SkyTeam and that if plans to convert Gate H15 to an international gate went forward, that the concourse assignments should essentially be reversed and that Star Alliance occupy Concourse H, with SkyTeam on Concourse J. These are two very big ifs, but should they materialize, I believe it would be a better use of resources.

User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 10):
The "NEW" MIA is great but why did it take 20 years

Same reason it took decades at JFK, IAD, etc. It's hard to build new terminals where there are currently old terminals.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 10):
IT didn't take AA 20 years to get a new JFK terminal( and NY politics are not easy). After 9/11 delays, fights over general contractors and too lawyers to count the A-D terminal is finally here.

AA's new JFK Terminal first opened less than five years ago. MIA is five years later.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
and the a brand-new Flagship Lounge will replace the current one.

Isn't the current Flagship Lounge in E?

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 15):
MIA says that "the new MIA" will account for over 95% of passengers - who will the other 5% be?

The non-aligned airlines in E/F/G.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 23):
Personally, I think that if AV/TA/LR were to join SkyTeam and that if plans to convert Gate H15 to an international gate went forward, that the concourse assignments should essentially be reversed and that Star Alliance occupy Concourse H, with SkyTeam on Concourse J.

I don't think it really matters as much because H & J are linked airside. I don't believe there are any markings or anything to signify that one concourse is for Star and one is for SkyTeam. Wouldn't it be fine if AF used J, and US Airways used H?


25 OB1504 : It doesn't really matter in the least. It's just the OCD in me. God forbid I should ever be in charge of gate assignment at MIA!
26 jfk777 : RJpieces, You haven't followed the "telenovela" that was the AA project in Miami. AA and Miami-dade( Miami's PANYNJ) were always flighting like to mo
27 surfandsnow : Remember that, in the 90's, MIA was in abominable shape. MIA has come a very long way since then, and it deserves a little credit for the many improv
28 rjpieces : Hah, yeah I understand. Come to think of it now, I really don't see the point of being exclusive with alliances and concourses in the South Terminal.
29 Peteinmiami : Well we can also add that the size of the Miami North Terminal with more than three million square feet is double the size of the JFK AA Terminal and
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