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Virgin America To Add MCO,YYZ  
User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18911 times:

Here is the offical confirmation of the a.net chatter of late:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Virgin...010-prnews-560632049.html?x=0&.v=1

the release says more new cities to come online late this and 2011. Sadly, service to SNA will end 5/26

[Edited 2010-03-18 05:38:42]

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User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 635 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18721 times:

Great. Schedules are:

VA300 SFO MCO 0950AM 0620PM
VA305 MCO SFO 0525PM 0810PM

VA312 LAX MCO 0830AM 0430PM
VA315 MCO LAX 0715PM 0945PM


User currently offlinePHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18669 times:

I thought that the ending of services to SNA was particularly interesting. That was a rather short foray.

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12903 posts, RR: 100
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18650 times:
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First, I find YYZ an very intresting choice for VX's first international destination. I interpret this to be a strategy 'going North' first. I do not expect Mexico for a few years, but I would be happy to be proven wrong.

Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 2):
I thought that the ending of services to SNA was particularly interesting. That was a rather short foray.

At least VX realized the error early.

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User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18556 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
First, I find YYZ an very intresting choice for VX's first international destination. I interpret this to be a strategy 'going North' first. I do not expect Mexico for a few years, but I would be happy to be proven wrong.

They have been hinting at Canada service for awhlie. I always thought YVR would be their first choice. I'm not surprised by YYZ, but it is an extremely expensive airport to operate out of. Hopefully they can make it work.


User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18473 times:

I'm sure I may not be comparing "apples to apples" here but it strikes me that the growth of VX seems a lot more cautious and slower as compared to B6, years ago.
I mean, the article talks about VX as "the new airline". How many years can you say that???



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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18359 times:

It will be nice to see them here in MCO, kind of adds more color to the sky. Too much WN,FL,& DL. LOL.


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User currently offlineflyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18312 times:

VX serving to SNA ulitmately was a chancy move so early on when their network is still in its infancy and they have pletny more destinations to add before they begin to add a secondary airport. WN pouncing on the route did not help at all Perhaps when they becom larger the can revisit this but if they had to go after a secondary market my hunch would have been BUR. C'est la vie.

MCO and YYZ are far better LCC choices. MCOLAX has no LCC service only DL,AA, and UA which makes it a prime LCC target. YYZ is a smiliar market with no LCC service. The money was on YVR but WS already has LCC service.

If anyone read the recent Jaunted article on possible new VX additions YYZ was onlly given a middle of the road 60% while MCO was not even on the list. If this is the case expext more VX additions to include a mix of the usual supsects along with some out of left field surprises.


P.S. anyone have the YYZ schedules?


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18137 times:
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Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 2):
I thought that the ending of services to SNA was particularly interesting. That was a rather short foray.

That's too bad. There is a lot of competition for pax between SFO-SNA. I guess that means there's a few more slots becoming available. Who is next in line for slot allocations at SNA?


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2915 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18103 times:

According to the article, YYZ is two flights a day - one each from LAX and SFO. Another article also mentions three additional cities for 2010 - presumably Chicago is one of them.

Virgin is getting a lot of press lately - good (new routes), bad (Flight 404) and good/bad (Fly Girls debut).


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18063 times:
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Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 9):
Virgin is getting a lot of press lately - good (new routes), bad (Flight 404) and good/bad (Fly Girls debut).

LOL! True. I just hope VX's problem at Stewart doesn't become an on-going problem with future interrupted flight operations.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 9):
According to the article, YYZ is two flights a day - one each from LAX and SFO. Another article also mentions three additional cities for 2010 - presumably Chicago is one of them.

I would be interested in Air Canada's and maybe WJ's response to VX's new service. When AS was flying MD-80's between LAX and YYZ back in 1980's-1990's, Air Canada brought in the big guns with L-1011's and 767-300's...I wouldn't have been surprised if they even brought in 747-100's/-200's...just to flood the market and chase AS out.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17363 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18036 times:

YYZ will be a total disaster, and MCO will be, well, MCO. Who wants to bet B6 announces LAXMCO/SFOMCO shortly?


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User currently offlineIcebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17958 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):

YYZ will be a total disaster, and MCO will be, well, MCO. Who wants to bet B6 announces LAXMCO/SFOMCO shortly?

I was just wondering the same thing. How many hours before B6 announces this? I think on the VX SFO-FLL annoucement, it only took less than 4 hours for B6 to annouce they were going to serve that route also.



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2915 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17958 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
Who wants to bet B6 announces LAXMCO/SFOMCO shortly?

...with an effective date the day before Virgin's...


User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17852 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
YYZ will be a total disaster, and MCO will be, well, MCO.

How come it took you so long to write your usual "optimistic" predictions about VX? Reply # 11? Come on, you can do better than that. By the way, any reason why YYZ will be "a total disaster"? Or should we just trust your word for it? As a matter of fact, has any of your forecasts about VX been successful yet?



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17363 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17854 times:

Quoting Icebird757 (Reply 12):
How many hours before B6 announces this?
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 13):
...with an effective date the day before Virgin's...

I hope they do; these routes clearly need more competition 



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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17831 times:

Okay. Let's start a pool. How long until we see JetBlue announce LAX/SFO-MCO to begin the day before VX starts it?


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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2992 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17817 times:
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Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 10):
I would be interested in Air Canada's and maybe WJ's response to VX's new service. When AS was flying MD-80's between LAX and YYZ back in 1980's-1990's, Air Canada brought in the big guns with L-1011's and 767-300's...I wouldn't have been surprised if they even brought in 747-100's/-200's...

AC has had large aircraft on YYZ-LAX many times, before, during and after Jet America/Alaska's service. It was one of the routes the 2nd round L1011s served (YYZ-LAX, YYZ-YVR) well after AS dropped out.

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AC has scheduled: DC-8-40/50/60, 727-200, 747-100/-200, L1011, 767, A319, 320, 321... don't think they ever scheduled A330s, 340s and 777s, but basically everything else with enough range.
Also 747-400 Combis flew YYZ-LAX fairly often due to freight contracts.

Now its all Babybus service... or 73NGs on AA or WJ.

Anyways... VX to YYZ! Only qustion i would have is T1 or T3?(my hunch is T3 but who knows)



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17769 times:

WestJet couldn't make it on YYZ-LAX, and American flies 1 daily which provides significant Australia feed.

Good luck to VX, and the high cost of operating in YYZ  


User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2228 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17588 times:

When I first read the title of the thread I immediately though finally Branson who is in Toronto a lot is following through on his frequent comments of returning to YYZ. Then I saw the America  .

A large amount of the traffic between YYZ and LAX is from two sources. Business travel and connecting travel.

There is a surprizing amount of entertainment industry traffic that shuttles back and forth. Music and movie for example. Some fly back and forth almost weekly. The business traffic would not be as prone to switch because they would be quite dependent on either AA's or AC's frequent flier programs. This travel can ebb and flow somewhat but it is still quite significant.

Connecting travel as well. Many of those people would be on through tickets with either OW or Star carriers, with or without a stop over.

After that there is the leisure market. Much more traffic goes south from YYZ than southwest so I would have thought we would have seen someone start service to Florida first. A lot of the tour operators sell the packages and then either put people on AA or AC, or one of the charter airlines. It will be interesting to see if Virgin is able to attract some of that traffic.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24884 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17497 times:

Too bad about Orange County.

Sadly instead of a nice market co-existence next to United, VX got trumped by SWA which started its own SNA-SFO service within days of VX.
I've watched the SNA flights a bit and instead of nice fare premiums compared to LAX which the airport long generated, its become just another low cost market on many(most) city-pairs.
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 8):
Who is next in line for slot allocations at SNA?

No one really. Others that were on the list - WestJet, AirTran, and Hawaiian all passed on their new entrant chance last two years. Even Air Canada which won 3-slots for this year, gave two back.

So sounds like Southwest will scoop up more SNA slots.



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User currently offlineDiverDave From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17500 times:

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 1):
VA312 LAX MCO 0830AM 0430PM
VA315 MCO LAX 0715PM 0945PM

Delta ain't gonna like this. Could get bloody.

My first thought was AirTran might respond, but it seems they are focusing on profitable routes so they will possibly break out the beer and popcorn and enjoy watching.   

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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6712 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17482 times:

Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 2):
I thought that the ending of services to SNA was particularly interesting.

The spin on SNA in the press release was rather bizarre: "Despite our relatively strong performance at SNA, given our new fleet plan and network prospects, we've made the decision to focus on the immediate long-haul opportunities that the Orlando and Toronto markets provide."

"Relatively strong" markets don't get axed. Their loads eventually started to pick up last fall after a weak start, but I suspect that they are finding it difficult to get the yields they need. Mood lighting and TV aren't as compelling on flights with a stage length under one hour.

Not that LAX-MCO is a high-yielding route; even with no non-stop LCC competition on the route, yields are already 15% lower than on LAX-JFK. Similarly, SFO-MCO yields are already 5% lower than SFO-JFK yields, again without non-stop low-cost competition in the market. SFO-MCO isn't a terribly dense route, either. Perhaps they've picked up some entertainment industry contracts which require LAX-MCO/YYZ (which might imply YVR would be forthcoming).

Quoting Icebird757 (Reply 12):
How many hours before B6 announces this? I think on the VX SFO-FLL annoucement, it only took less than 4 hours for B6 to annouce they were going to serve that route also.

It hasn't happened yet, but I can't imagine that B6 wants to give VX any breathing room.


User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17395 times:

re: YYZ

I noticed this press release issued by the Greater Toronto Airport Authority.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Toront...es-prnews-1467554484.html?x=0&.v=7

What caught my eye was this, "Our airport is well positioned to welcome new routes and new airlines. We are reaping the benefits of our world class facilities, our commitment to cost competitiveness which is reflected in three consecutive years of lower fees and our focus on serving our customers. All of these factors have enabled us to develop new routes and attract new airline carriers such as Virgin America," added Mr. (Lloyd) McCoomb." Am I reading more into it or perhaps is there a 'deal' going on here.....hmmmmmm

  


User currently offlineaviators99 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17302 times:

Canceling SFO-SNA really doesn't free up aircraft that could be used for the new routes. That short-haul trip was just making use of available utilization. I'm wondering if they will add flights to the routes from where they were previously subtracted. It has been really hard to get a seat on short notice to/from SEA lately.

25 Post contains images as739x : 5,4,3,2,1.....wait for it!
26 FWAERJ : Nor will UA, even though they have the Disney Parks contracts...
27 wedgetail737 : There could be other potentials like AS to increase service in and out of SNA. Also, CO may want to add to their Hawaiian service. But I tend to agre
28 Post contains links Rattibone : The GTAA has a rebate program in effect for any new entrants or any existing users to benefit from. http://www.gtaa.com/en/business_at_pearson/air_ser
29 LAXintl : I somewhat doubt it. AS has reduced it SNA presence over the years, and CO has could have requested more this year (new slot award is effective April
30 pnwtraveler : YYZ is expensive. But as the link above shows, comparing airport charges is sometimes like comparing apples and oranges. While the initial landing fee
31 flyingcat : B6 response to FLL while certainly a spoiler was surprising in how limited it was. They only added 1 flight in SFO vs VX 2. In LGB they still only hav
32 Tommy767 : Oh I'd just LOOOVVVEE to see what UA's response will be on SFO-MCO and LAX-MCO.... I hear Virgin has a great product but they are just too 'hip' for m
33 HotelDJRomeo : Will be nice to see VX at YYZ. Without being privy to any intimate information, my reading of the GTAA statement was that they were reminding us (once
34 AirNovaBAe146 : I forsee Virgin America getting smoked by the incumbents, especially AC, on YYZ - LAX/SFO. Virgin's service is good by US domestic standards. However
35 beertrucker : I have been waiting for them to open MCO. I am suprised it took this long. But the SFO to MCO and back is a welcome sight to me. I have family in OAK
36 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Plus you have Star hubs on all three ends Even more difficult, it'll be near 100% local The ol' a.net "the planes are being moved to a more profitabl
37 UALWN : All this applies equally well to, say, SFO-JFK (just substitute B6 for AC), where VX is pretty successful (against what you predicted), so allow me t
38 NKOPS : Seems like an awfully long turn.. 2hr45min.??
39 MaverickM11 : The market is 5 times as big at least, and the fare is higher, plus it's one of the routes they've been on the longest so I'd expect them to do best
40 stlgph : [quote=NKOPS,reply=38] look close VA300 SFO MCO 0950AM 0620PM VA305 MCO SFO 0525PM 0810PM VA312 LAX MCO 0830AM 0430PM VA315 MCO LAX 0715PM 0945PM
41 willd : Its not that long. If you look at the flight times of both the SFO and LAX services its fairly obvious that the plane that operates inbound from LAX
42 ScottB : AS gave up some slots a couple of years ago when they dropped SNA-OAK. If they had had bigger plans for SNA, I don't believe they would have returned
43 EA CO AS : Because AC defends this route like a pitbull - when AS tried LAXYYZ, AC upgauged the route to a 744 to flood the market with low-yield capacity. Work
44 Sebring : Because AC defends this route like a pitbull - when AS tried LAXYYZ, AC upgauged the route to a 744 to flood the market with low-yield capacity. Work
45 live2fly83 : agreed, but like you said its a 'spin' so I dont expect them to talk about the low yields on that route not to mention load factor wasnt it like 50-6
46 NKOPS : AHHH.. got it, was thinking the inbound LAX did the outbound LAX... thanks
47 live2fly83 : nevermind, was looking at ost dockets for Q3/4 '08 still interested in what their 4Q'10 will look like, any speculation? I think its gonna say alot w
48 SANFan : A couple of odd things about this announcement-and-a-half by VX. Anyone else notice a lack of Chicago in this PR? Gotta' wonder what's up with all tha
49 longhauler : YYZ-LAX and YYZ-SFO have always been AC strongholds. I am not surprised VX is looking at SFO-YYZ as AC/UA have a virtual monopoly on that route, and w
50 Viscount724 : Weren't the 747-100 and L-1011 also regularly used on YYZ-LAX in the 1970s?
51 srbmod : At one point, Song was flying the route....... I am a bit surprised that WN, FL, B6 or even NK don't offer it. I think that B6 may do the same as wel
52 ikramerica : VX's purpose is to be the domestic arm of Virgin International Air Conglomerate, and as such, it is meant to feed certain destinations that people fr
53 Lucky727 : The L-10-11 for sure - took that in the mid-80s, when everything was full service on that most roomy plane. Not sure about the 747, though. Just did
54 heathrow : This is awesome news! It'll be a nice alternative since LY left the YYZ LAX route.
55 longhauler : The L1011 was a staple on that route. Twice a day for years. When the third round trip started, a B727-200, things got smaller. I don't think the B74
56 EleVAted : That has a lot to do with our business model. Orlando is big because all year around you either have business travelers for conventions (winter) our
57 FutureUScapt : Interesting start date for MCO service...
58 Post contains images gmcc : Maybe Southwest will scoop up more SNA slots, but according to an SNA spokesperson quoted in the O.C. Register. "We have a waiting list of airlines i
59 wedgetail737 : Could there be renewed interest in SNA with FL and WJ? SNA-STS flights would probably work. Maybe an old WestAir or Far West Airlines route FAT-SNA c
60 Surfandsnow : I am completely shocked!! I had started a thread not long ago asking about VX (my favorite airline) and it sounded like ORD, DFW, and Mexico were next
61 Post contains links Nordair737242C : also as reported in the Financial Post AC will not only be under pressure from VX but Porter has announced more flights in the YUL/YOW/YYZ sector to c
62 MaverickM11 : There's very little worth serving from SFO or LAX that doesn't already have the max number of US carriers. And anything ethnic would require a Spanis
63 jetMARC : jetBlue once flew BUR-MCO nonstop... didn't last too long. Hope VX can make MCO work. Totally jel over Toronto - maybe this will spur us into action a
64 jetMARC : Just curious, why so interesting? It's basically just 6 months out, allowing some time to set up shop, train, and bookings to fill... despite being a
65 BigGSFO : The various press releases also mentions 3 additional cities for 2010 (Chicago has been pushed into 2011). Any speculation as to where?
66 Sebring : The tech part is sound enough but the rising Cdn dollar will slow the film thing, maybe not as much as it would have in the past, but enough. The dol
67 EleVAted : A Spanish website, well there's a set back right there! Seriously? We have zero shortage of guests asking us to fly here, there and in between with ou
68 laca773 : Surfandsnow, man, dude. DFW? You have got to be kidding? AYE aye AYE! That thread was interesting and I learned a lot of new things and heard some id
69 Post contains links Kaiarahi : They spent a year restructuring to meet DOT ownership/protectionist requirements. See http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...-course-for-canada/artic
70 BigGSFO : Portland isn't if, but when. The traffic and demand is there. There is also no low fare competition directly to SFO (not including OAK) and LAX (nons
71 laca773 : Thanks for the information, BigGSFO. I was wondering about that.
72 Post contains images MaverickM11 : That's what DL's MCOLAX is for SEA has been a rough start for VX; PDX will be even more difficult. Yes, seriously. You were leasing planes to fly cha
73 EA CO AS : Unfortunately, it's a steady flow of very low-yield traffic and high competition. Not their best move, IMHO.
74 Post contains images CGKings317 : SEA was particularly rough for VX because SEA is where the locus of Alaska's customer base and operations are located, not to mention the fact the HQ
75 BigGSFO : Not necessarily. Different, albeit smaller, market altogether. It depends on how aggressive AS would react.
76 Post contains images peanuts : mmm... I don't claim to know anything about how the Virgin operation works with all it's different sub-brands but it does strike me that SkyTeam (DL)
77 FutureUScapt : Interesting in that sense they are launching this route as both markets enter their low/shoulder seasons (Both in the since of directional: MCO-LAX/S
78 EleVAted : The timing is off for expansion because on the shenanigans with Alaska taking us to court not once, but twice and getting our hand on orders and aircr
79 wedgetail737 : I don't think replacing QX flights with AS flights is sacrificing QX at all. In fact, it would improve and re-establish Alaska's presence at PDX. I'm
80 MaverickM11 : I think they have an interest in the various Virgin carriers in the Pacific, and not VX at all. DL clearly brings infinitely more to VA/DJ etc than V
81 Post contains images EA CO AS : AS never took VX to court. AS petitioned the DOT to: - Stop VX from playing the 'do as I say, not as I do' game regarding their DOT reporting - Inves
82 live2fly83 : EleVAted - are you speaking for VX? if so I dont quite understand your rational for the closure of SNA
83 live2fly83 : also eleVAted please tell us exactly why a Spanish website is a setback?? also you attribute your slow growth to lack of 'man power' (shifter to DC) -
84 N1120A : 767s were common until relatively recently. Wasn't there a second flight at one point? Anyway, the feed for that flight is local industry traffic. AA
85 UALWN : Any particular reason? A Spanish website a serious issue? Please. I wonder why I bother replying to your posts...
86 MaverickM11 : SEA is one of VX' worse stations, and PDX is smaller If VX is going to fly to VFR destinations in Mexico, it'll need a Spanish website. I'm not sure
87 deltal1011man : ehhh yes and no. It would be great because they could get VX out of the NYC and LAX markets but all of VX's SFO opps would be cut,save LAX/JFK. So DL
88 wedgetail737 : I've heard that for quite some time...although, the last time I flew VX SEA-SFO RT, the flights mostly full...not too many empty seats. So, if VX is
89 HotelDJRomeo : I'll believe that when me s**t turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet. And beyond that, is there not a somewhat substantial number of Spanish s
90 UALWN : I understood this alright. My question is why is this an issue? Translating a website from English to Spanish? Less than afternoon's work. I have onl
91 MaverickM11 : I didn't say it was an issue but rather something that must be done if they want to make headway in ethnic VFR markets. It's fare more than translati
92 BigGSFO : Agreed but it is probably a moot point. I don't see VX pursuing any substantial VFR foreign markets anytime soon. If/when they head to Mexico, I expe
93 aviators99 : Re: Seattle Certainly the LF numbers have been horrible for SEA, as of when the last numbers came out. All of my evidence is anecdotal and 1st-person
94 UALWN : It's been mentioned many times on here... by you. That doesn't make it more credible.
95 LAXintl : DOT today approved VX application for scheduled foreign air transportation authority between US and Canada. OST-2010-0068
96 surfandsnow : Excellent. I wonder if we will hear about a schedule this week then.
97 atomsareenough : I think that SNA was a good idea at the time, because it was only UA and AA on the route and there was in fact a fare premium over LAX. Once WN jumpe
98 EleVAted : Ummm...I never said that. Read much? I repsonded to "MaverickM11" and his constant VX bashing amongst others (which I don't have the time to respond
99 sunking737 : Easy people need jobs. Hell I would apply to VAA, if you guys had a commissary here in MCO. As far as the bashing welcome to A.NET.
100 Post contains images BigGSFO : People have their favorites. VX threads always spiral into how they aren't a viable player and according to some, should have been liquidated by now
101 aviators99 : I looked at that docket online, and couldn't find the approval. Can you point to it so that I can quote it? Thanks.
102 LAXintl : The public regulations.gov site sometime lags by a day or so. So suspect it should be up by later today. Otherwise, PM me and I can email you the actu
103 atomsareenough : What's the deal with Chicago anyway? I thought they had come to some sort of agreement on getting gate space. Why the delay now?
104 surfandsnow : Keep in mind that these two additions are VERY important to Virgin's West Coast clientele base. Toronto and Orlando are both very closely linked with
105 bigGSFO : Cush stated in one of the articles lately that Chicago has been pushed to 2011 due to the gate issues. Apparently what VX was offered was unsatisfact
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Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend posted Fri Sep 28 2007 05:02:47 by Laxintl
Virgin America To Offer Wifi In 2008 posted Thu Sep 13 2007 21:02:10 by Nycbjr
Virgin America To Compete With JetBlue posted Wed Mar 21 2007 19:21:29 by FA4B6
Virgin America To Receive Its OK Soon? posted Sun Aug 27 2006 04:37:29 by Paulcaz
Virgin America To Sublease Aircraft? posted Tue Aug 22 2006 19:16:27 by HikesWithEyes
Virgin America To Rome, NY posted Sun Jul 2 2006 23:38:34 by Pilotfox
Virgin America To Get License Before Christmas posted Mon Nov 7 2005 00:20:12 by Lono