aussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1161 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 15513 times:
Re: International Network Schedule Changes
Qantas has made the following adjustments across our international network which will come into effect from 05 July 2010:
SYDAKL – commencement of A330-200 operations on the Tasman
AKLLAX – returns to a daily flight utilising the A330–200
LAXJFK – moves from a daily 4 class B747-400 flight to 5 days per week
utilising the 2 class A330 – 200
LAXBNE – QF16 will now operate on Wednesday and no longer on Monday
Customers can still fly five days per week from Sydney to New York with Qantas and daily on codeshare flights with American Airlines.
The Airbus A330-200 aircraft to be introduced on the Auckland to New York route will offer customers enhanced levels of comfort including the award winning SkyBed in business class and state-of-the-art entertainment in every seat.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22041 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15342 times:
Good deal. Better match in capacity for LA-NY at lower operating cost.
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crosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 684 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15213 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 2): I assume that the 330 will come from the AKL flight?
I had the same question. Also, if the A330 does come from AKL, then will it have the same flight number as AKL-LAX or will it have the same flight number as SYD-LAX with a change of equipment at LAX (I'm guessing it's the latter)?
NZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 5672 posts, RR: 40 Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14866 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 2): I assume that the 330 will come from the AKL flight?
Yes, I doubt QF would think about operating an A330 from Australia as it's quite a long flight..
Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 3): I had the same question. Also, if the A330 does come from AKL, then will it have the same flight number as AKL-LAX or will it have the same flight number as SYD-LAX with a change of equipment at LAX (I'm guessing it's the latter)?
Keeping the QF107/108 flight number - so yes, the latter.
Quoting trvlr (Reply 4): The A330 has a better or worse interior product than the 744, aside from the obvious fact that there is no F or Y+?
I haven't been in the 744 for a long time so I can't really comment but IIRC QF are upgrading the interiors of the 744s to match the A380 and so it will be better. The IFE looks quite similar at the moment.
Airvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 710 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14765 times:
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 6): Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
I assume that the 330 will come from the AKL flight?
Yes, I doubt QF would think about operating an A330 from Australia as it's quite a long flight..
Look like the aircraft will operate SYD-AKL-LAX-JFK-LAX-AKL-SYD with flight numbers 141/25/107/108/26/114. Interestingly the SYD-AKL-SYD leg is operated by Jet Connect.
alangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2091 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14755 times:
The A330-200 to be used by Qantas is a special Long Range version with 36J seats and 199 or 201 Tourist seats, so quite a spacious interior. Qantas have used this type on long flights between Sydney and Mumbai, and flights between MEL/SYD and Shanghai/Beijing. The LAX-JFK-LAX flights will connect with Qantas flights to/from SYD/MEL and BNE.
tayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1084 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14677 times:
So there's a bit of a jungle of flight numbers now...
QF25/26 are still showing up as a valid route MEL-LAX: MEL-AKL-MEL sector on 738, AKL-LAX-AKL sector on 332 (although this doesn't display in QF's site / booking engine, just shows 738 MEL-LAX (lol anyhow)).
And the LAX-JFK-LAX sector is QF107/108
Meanwhile SYD-AKL-SYD is QF141 going over and QF114 coming back (332).
one plane, 6 different flight numbers SYD-JFK-SYD!
AusA380 From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 288 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14288 times:
The only issue is there is no plan to upgrade the A330 fleet with the new Skybeds. The 747 fleet has been announced as being upgraded (with the withdrawal of F/P), by the A330 is not mentioned for any upgrades.
Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
I assume that the 330 will come from the AKL flight?
I had the same question. Also, if the A330 does come from AKL, then will it have the same flight number as AKL-LAX or will it have the same flight number as SYD-LAX with a change of equipment at LAX (I'm guessing it's the latter)?
Yes it will come from AKL. However the JFK sector will still be the 107/108 connecting up with aircraft down to SYD.
Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 7): Look like the aircraft will operate SYD-AKL-LAX-JFK-LAX-AKL-SYD with flight numbers 141/25/107/108/26/114. Interestingly the SYD-AKL-SYD leg is operated by Jet Connect.
Not sure about the flight numbers.... seems a bit weird to have an aircraft operating onwards change flight numbers whilst a different aircraft that isn't flying onwards has the same flight number.
As for the operation, this AFAIK (and I'm pretty confident on) is incorrect. Jetconnect shorthaul only operate 737s. Jetconnect longhaul do no have any CSMs or CSSs (or pilots for aircraft besides 737s) so it is not possible for this flight to be operated by Jetconnect. There will however (as has been the case for years) be Jetconnect crew operating on this flight. This is done to get those AKL crew into the rest of the network, and also because of timings it avoids having to slip FAs in AKL (except the CSM/CSS),
Quoting AusA380 (Reply 11): the A330 is not mentioned for any upgrades
The A330 fleet is due for a refresh (new seat covers, carpets and more importantly new Panasonic IFE).
Airvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 710 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13730 times:
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 12): As for the operation, this AFAIK (and I'm pretty confident on) is incorrect. Jetconnect shorthaul only operate 737s. Jetconnect longhaul do no have any CSMs or CSSs (or pilots for aircraft besides 737s) so it is not possible for this flight to be operated by Jetconnect.
I am quoting what the Qantas online timetable is saying for flight QF141 in August. Operated by JetConnect A330-200 . That's why is said it was interesting.
gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5217 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13394 times:
[quote=RJ111,reply=14]Any ETOPS issues on the AKL-LAX flight?
AFAIK QF still only fly ETOPS180. Under that rule, according to the GC Mapper there is a slight diversion on the GC route to remain within 180 min of Hawaii, probably not particularly noticeable in day to day operations, otherwise no.
metsfan1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 139 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11931 times:
My question is now that the 744 is no longer continuing on to JFK, will 107/108 remain 744 on the SYD-LAX leg or will it gradually move over the 388 flying to match QF11/12?
ANstar From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 4845 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11329 times:
Quoting metsfan1 (Reply 18): My question is now that the 744 is no longer continuing on to JFK, will 107/108 remain 744 on the SYD-LAX leg or will it gradually move over the 388 flying to match QF11/12?
It won;t move to an A380 anytime soon. SYD-LAX has overcapacity as it is and the next batch of A380's will enable daily SYD-LAX (11/12), MEL-LAX and SYD-SIN-LHR.
It will be 2011 at the earliest before 108/107 gets upgraded - but I reckon SYD-BKK-LHR will see it before SYD-LAX 108/7
RJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11081 times:
Quoting ANstar (Reply 17): Why would their be? Air NZ fly 777's on this route and 767's up to HNL etc.
Because not all airlines have the same ETOPS rating.
Anyway, seems like there will be a slight diversion from the GC route per Gemuser, i wonder how inconvenient that is for route planning baring in mind weather/wind.
Selwoode From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10423 times:
Didnt QF try AKL-LAX A332 operations last year and returned to B744 ops - obviously the A332 was economic after all - were there many diversions to HNL as its a very long run for a A332
just curious
ANstar From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 4845 posts, RR: 6 Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10397 times:
Quoting RJ111 (Reply 20): Because not all airlines have the same ETOPS rating
Given QF have operated the route previously and they tend to operate quite alot of ETOPS routes I really don't see any issue.
With and without ETOPS 180 the routes shows the same on Great circle mapper at 6504 miles.
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9696 times:
Quoting Selwoode (Reply 21): were there many diversions to HNL as its a very long run for a A332
I don't know of any.
Don't forget that NZ operates 777-200ERs on the same route every day, also under ETOPS 180.
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21484 posts, RR: 24 Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9569 times:
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 5): There goes America's only transcon 747. I know you couldn't book just that segment, but still . . .
CI still crosses even more of the continent 3 times a week on their JFK-ANC-TPE route that uses a 744, of course, like QF, without traffic rights on the domestic sector.
25 Selwoode: True although NZ has operated 762s (while they had them) and 763s for a lot longer across pacific routes while NZ-US probably not been a big priority
26 The Coachman: QF have been flying 763's to SYD-HNL at various times over the last 20 years, AKL-Papeete (until they dropped it) etc... QF have had ETOPS180 for age
27 Unclekoru: During the previous operating period, a 6 month (IIRC) exemption was required in order to work around the limited rest facilities for the tech crew.
28 MotorHussy: Here's a link to AKL-LAX on Great Circle Mapper showing the 180min ETOPS zones (can't remember how to insert an image) : http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=
29 Zkpilot: the route went back to 744 not A388. The A388 flies from SYD to LAX. None that I am aware of... in fact I don't think it had any diversions at all pe
30 ikramerica: It's pretty routine for a flight to change aircraft at a hub (up or downsize) and an arriving aircraft from a different route becoming the continuati
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