kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11995 posts, RR: 36 Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16956 times:
Quoting Vasu (Reply 1): "World tails" would appear to have failed one more time...
Yes, pity about that; I thought it looked great - certainly better than the rather cheap looking painting of the Pakistani flag on the tail (not, I hasten to add, that there's anything wrong with the Pakistani flag; it's just that it looked like a very cheap job).
oa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 25112 posts, RR: 60 Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16903 times:
Quoting kaitak (Reply 2): Yes, pity about that; I thought it looked great - certainly better than the rather cheap looking painting of the Pakistani flag on the tail (not, I hasten to add, that there's anything wrong with the Pakistani flag; it's just that it looked like a very cheap job)
Yes it looked like a ripp off Wooster model. I miss this livery :
OLYMPIC AIR - ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΚΗ "Η ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ΨΗΛΑ" "GREECE FLYING HIGH"
hotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 794 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16784 times:
It was announced last year that the colourful tails were only ever intended to be short lived adverts for the respective regions of Pakistan. A310 AP-BEB had it's special tail repainted with the standard flag shortly after.
Quoting kaitak (Reply 2): Yes, pity about that; I thought it looked great - certainly better than the rather cheap looking painting of the Pakistani flag on the tail (not, I hasten to add, that there's anything wrong with the Pakistani flag; it's just that it looked like a very cheap job).
I agree! I like the provincial tails they seem to suit the PK colours, always nice seeing them at MAN. Any news on PK's planned a/c orders?
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14285 times:
Quoting kaitak (Reply 11): Quoting zainmax (Reply 10):
PIA is in talks with Boeing for B737NG ,as A320 deal was abolished a year ago.
And what about an A310 replacement; presumably they are looking at the 787 as well?
...none yet. The A310 serves an important part in PK's fleet. It's the right-sized plane for many of PK's routes. That being said, the B788 would probably be the right-sized replacement.
zainmax From Pakistan, joined Jul 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12657 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13): The A310 serves an important part in PK's fleet. It's the right-sized plane for many of PK's routes. That being said, the B788 would probably be the right-sized replacement.
Well, PIA needs to replace the B733 fleet as soon as possible.
A310s are not the issue for the next 5 years at least, even B743s would continue till 2014 as decided in business plan.
In my opinion PIA should opt for B788 in replacement of A310 & B748 in replacement of B743.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12252 times:
Quoting zainmax (Reply 16): Well, PIA needs to replace the B733 fleet as soon as possible
True, true, but I was only commenting based on the subject of the A310's...
PK owns 6/12 A310's and are directly leasing from Airbus the other 6.
Quoting zainmax (Reply 16): In my opinion PIA should opt for B788 in replacement of A310 & B748 in replacement of B743
I think the B748I would be just too big. Even PK's "trunk routes" doesn't warrant a B747. PK can "wet lease" during the Hajj season. B77W's are the perfect large planes for PK....
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12070 times:
Quoting oa260 (Reply 20): Funny literally just now this came in by email from PIA
I go that as well....nice to see PK flying the route.....too bad the M.E. carriers have driven out carriers such a LH out of the market...
I would like to see more European carriers back in Pakistan. BA should restart KHI and especially ISB as well.
Byrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12013 times:
Quoting 777way (Reply 19): Pashmina tail was the best ever.
Yes, that is a great design.
Quoting 777way (Reply 19): but it cant be brought back that iss why for current modification the idea I posted is right.
I know next to nothing about PIA, can you explain why?
The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
25 Jacobin777: LHR-ISB went from 3x/weekly B744 to 6x/weekly B772ER....when the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad was blown up in Sept. 2008, BA felt security to its crew
26 oa260: It would be interesting to see TK's LHR-KHI traffic as they offer rock bottom fares. PK has done very well with the Regional Pakistani British commun
27 Byrdluvs747: Oh, I was respondind to 777way's post thinking he meant the Pashmina tails couldnt be brought back. My misunderstanding.
28 NA: Sounds good. I dont know if the 77W is the perfect large plane fpr PIA. Maybe it is now, but that doesnt mean that in 5 years it still is... PIA want
29 Jacobin777: ....I've noticed TK offers quite competitive fares on many sectors...but I would be curious as well. As I've mentioned previously, fellow A.netter be
30 Byrdluvs747: That's interesting. Would there really be much of an uproar if the tails were used again? The nice tail design would be a nice addition, given that P
31 Jacobin777: ..everything from the previous administration would be an uproar.. ...that's Pakistani politics for you...
32 777way: Pahmina tail was introduced in 1999 during Nawaz Sharif tenure, at that time his close friend who is now Air Blue Chairman was CEO at PIA, the tail de
33 Jacobin777: ....interesting, I've always thought it was during the Musharraf Administration..... ...regardless, the concept of my comments haven't changed.....th
34 lalib: Sorry to highjack your thread, I can't resist although I do have something to say on the livery PIA Livery Whatever PIA do with their livery they shou
35 777way: Province design decals are too expensive and thats the excuse given by mangement to drop them, though it seems to be more of a personal dislike by the
36 777way: Shown on a 777 model aircrafft, currently being applied to one 743, 72E and A310 http://www.historyofpia.com/forums/v...d=6f6de17d45b0f4c46dc1054e92b6
37 GF-A330: The first 743 painted in the modified livery seen here at Karachi [Edited 2010-03-26 12:02:05]
39 Putnik: Awful tail, truly awful. I love the flag idea and the Pakistani flag could be used in so many different imaginative ways. This solution looks like a m
40 777way: Livery is experimentaland more modifications are to be made till finalised, its been doing flights to Jeddah in between.
41 Giancavia: Can't put my finger on what I dont like about it exactly, I think they either need to choose cream all over or white all over .. the 2 combined with t
42 hotplane: Truly awful. I hope they do revise it again.
43 lalib: II don't like it. If there gonna change it (and they will) it should be similar to BA's tail - that format/design - with pakistani flag
44 kaitak: I think "truly awful" is putting a bit strongly, but I will miss the BA-type tail colours. The Pakistani flag on the new livery is certainly a huge im
45 Airport: Completely agreed. I think the concept is a good one, but the execution is miserable. It looks like it was hastily slapped on. The curves are really
46 na: Nothing aganst the modification on the fuselage, but the tail still looks awful, the outline of the wavy flag doesnt fit to the graceful bow on the fu
47 oa260: Very dissapointing they could do so much more .
48 Giancavia: Anyone else think it would look better if the lines down the fuselage were nearer the belly and didnt extend upward toward the tail.
49 777way: Livery was inspired by this suggestion.
50 777way: Could have donte this. Or correct blunder to this. [Edited 2010-03-30 17:57:31]
51 N537FX: I like PIA's paint scheme but I think it is quite ironic that they as well as GF copied EL AL's famous stripe along the center of the aircraft.
52 abrelosojos: = I was thinking exactly that . Saludos, A.
53 777way: PIA livery was created by Boeing's inhouse design department it may have been inspired by El Al which is the same case as airlines who got liveries wi
54 AirIndia: I dont think the comment is to question the livery's influence. Most iveries can be said to be influenced from some other older livery. However, the
55 777way: Well ask Boeing they deisgned it, as for the MD who brought it in he wasnt from aviation feild so he was clueless to wether the livery was inspired by
56 abrelosojos: = Wow. That is probably the boldest statement I have heard in a while ... good of you, for not caring about what public opinion (rational or not) mig
57 MP: The new livery looks quite nice. I like the bigger flag. Looks much better. Unfortunately I couldn't see on that hangar pic, if there will be any flag
58 Owleye: This updated PIA livery looks nice. Congratulations PIA, thanks for the cooperation! By the way. Manuel, gorgeous 2d illustration you made! You're the
59 babybus: When a chairman hasn't got any ideas about running a company..he'll change the livery. It's the easiest and boldest of changes, yet nothing really ha
63 todaReisinger: I didn't know El Al's stripes were so famous Btw, when introduced in 1999, they replaced something waaaay better... I don't know if the "Boeing in-ho
65 777way: PIA livery was designed by Boeing 100% confirmed by insiders.
66 KHI747: While driving in Karachi last evening,i actually saw the first B747-300 few minutes into its flight to JED.I must say the B743 looked quite hot actual
67 zainmax: You mean to say this new livery is designed by the Boeing Co. ? This new livery is totally designed by PIA itself keeping the idea of management in m
69 zainmax: PK B777 AP-BGK operated today with new livery. This is the final version of the livery. Copyrights reserved. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUKYCDoww1
76 abrelosojos: Owleye, if I ever need a portrait done, I am contacting you! That is REALLY impressive. Saludos, A.
77 Burj: Wow! I would totally buy that and hang it on my wall! My one (tiny) concern is the crescent and star look to be at a weird angle, so that when the pl
79 Owleye: Thanks for the compliments. The original painting size is 800 x 600 mm, ready for canvas print production with UV stabil ink. I add a gel medium brush
80 todaReisinger: The new stripe looks even closer to the one of El Al......
81 zainmax: Great work, I would love to see this painting hanging in my room.
82 beertrucker: All i have to say about this painting and the rest of them is OMG. great work. I will be contacting you once i am back working from my heart attack i
83 skinny: The original livey in post number http://bhxflightguide.blogspot.com/ at BHX yesterday looks nice
84 todaReisinger: ?? Sorry, "skinny" (reply 83) but I don't understand your message. ??
85 777way: Pakistan on belly http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/nustyr/...pia+772_AND_mt_IS_all_AND_w_IS_all
86 Owleye: That's really cool, a nice addition to the livery. Thank you for sharing!
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