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Icelandair N. American Market Expansion  
User currently offlineflyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 698 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11911 times:

Interesting read:

==Reykjavik, Iceland-Kristján L. Möller the minister of tourism and transport announced today that Icelandair is looking to expand further into the North American market.''North America has become a very important area for our National airline'' he explained as he spoke with his fellow country mates.He then went on to explain that ''Canada and the U.S.A continue to draw a large number of Icelandics for several reasons, among them shopping, festivals, and a change in climate from the short summers we in Iceland see''...He went on to explain that Icelandair has expressed a interest in serving the cities of Vancouver, Edmonton, Los Angeles and Las Vegas as part of the airlines revised expansion plans.''These cities cater very well to Icelandair'' in terms of the numbers of available activities he went on to explain, and the amount of tourism that could be exchanged between the countries.He also went to explain Reykjaviks increasing role as a connection point between N.America and Europe.==

==Currently Icelandair serves Halifax and Toronto in Canada aswell as New York, Minneapolis/St.Paul, Orlando, Boston and Seattle in the United States,aswell as a large inter Iceland and European route network.==

==Flights to the new cities would likely be operated by Boeing 757-200 aircraft of which Icelandair operates 14 of the aircraft not including 1 stretched Boeing 757-300.Icelandair is yet to announce the new routes.[ICTVE]==

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User currently offlineaf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2714 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11740 times:

According to the great circle mapper KEF-LAX is 4313 miles and KEF-LAS is 4093 miles and the range of the 757-200WL in about 4100 nm. I'm not sure how that would work unless they wait for their 787s to be delivered.


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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1961 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11673 times:
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Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 1):
According to the great circle mapper KEF-LAX is 4313 miles and KEF-LAS is 4093 miles and the range of the 757-200WL in about 4100 nm. I'm not sure how that would work unless they wait for their 787s to be delivered.

According to the same site, SNN-ORD is 3120nm and SNN-ATL is 3337nm. Both these routes were operated by 757's at one time and were among the 3 longest 757 routes in the world. SNN-ORD was operated by a 757-200 without winglets and by all accounts, there were many times they had to switch passengers onto the EI A330 SNN-ORD service on days where strong headwinds were present. SNN-ATL was operated by a 757 with winglets and as far as I'm aware, they had no problems with range due to the improved performance offered by the winglets. However, it is a big jump from 3337nm to 4313nm so it is hard to imagine how this route being operated by a 757. It would definitely involve a fuel stop.



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User currently offlinestyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11375 times:

This person Moller is an official in the Icelandic government? If so, I doubt he is speaking on behalf of Icelandair management or its shareholders as Icelandair is private company. Perhaps he is speaking about what the Icelandic government would like to see but I don't know how much you can read into this. Furthermore, Iceland's government has a more important issue to worry about and that is its financial issues with the UK, the Netherlands and the IMF.


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User currently offlineLawair From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11240 times:

Wasn't FI forced to lease a 763 to operate KEF-SFO? I don't think they ever could actually operate a 757 on that route. KEF-LAX/LAS should fall into the same boat.

User currently offlineHawaiian763 From Canada, joined May 2009, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 9355 times:

What would be the odds of them starting up a KEF-YYC? That would be awesome to see them here.

User currently offlineeaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 9252 times:

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 1):
According to the great circle mapper KEF-LAX is 4313 miles and KEF-LAS is 4093 miles and the range of the 757-200WL in about 4100 nm. I'm not sure how that would work unless they wait for their 787s to be delivered.

I don´t think they are planing to use a 757 to LA or Las Vegas


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 9196 times:

Quoting Reply 3):
Furthermore, Iceland's government has a more important issue to worry about and that is its financial issues with the UK, the Netherlands and the IMF.

They aren't exactly flavour of the month over here, having voted to welch on their debts.


User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 9196 times:

They could do KEF-YEG-LAX and be able to sell tickets on the YEG-lAX...That would do quite well for them I think

User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 9176 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 2):
However, it is a big jump from 3337nm to 4313nm so it is hard to imagine how this route being operated by a 757.

But KEF-LAX is not4,313nm, it's 4,313 statute miles or 3,748nm. KEF-LAS is 3,557nm.

EWR-TXL, which CO operates with B752 metal, is 3,458nm, and thus longer than both SNN-ORD, SNN-ATL, yet shorter than FI's plans. Any longer B752 routes out there?



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User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 8735 times:

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 9):
Any longer B752 routes out there?

NW once did DTW-FRA on the 752, which is 3616 nm.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 8326 times:
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Quoting Lawair (Reply 4):
Wasn't FI forced to lease a 763 to operate KEF-SFO? I don't think they ever could actually operate a 757 on that route. KEF-LAX/LAS should fall into the same boat.

I always wondered why FI used the 763 on the KEF-SFO flights in the first place. Never would I have thought the San Francisco Bay Area would sustain such a service. LAX has a much larger population base to draw from.

In any case, it would be interesting to see what actually comes out of this expansion. Where are they getting the equipment? When does Icelandair get their Dreamliners?

I believe FI is expanding their service to SEA with one or two more weekly flights during the summer.


User currently offlineheathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7359 times:

Awesome news! I'd love to see a KEF YEG or YVR flight.

[Edited 2010-03-20 11:20:32]

User currently offlineYYZRWY23 From Canada, joined Aug 2009, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6909 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 2):
It would definitely involve a fuel stop.

Maybe they could tag LAS or LAX onto the YHZ or YYZ flights? Stop in one these cities, and then paxs could also be cleared by US CBP in them. Have a flight and cabin crew based at these airports and they fly these sectors. Don't know if they would need two aircraft to operate like this, but I think it could be a good idea. Would be interesting also if they could get traffic rights on these routes as well.

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User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 5766 times:

I would love to see Icelandair at LAX or LAS.... bring it on

A 757 should be able to that, no problem


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 5730 times:

What am I missing? Icelandair serving Los Angeles and Las Vegas? Is there even a sliver of demand for Las Vegas to Iceland?

User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7653 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

Quoting flyb (Thread starter):
He went on to explain that Icelandair has expressed a interest in serving the cities of Vancouver

Oh how my fingers are crossed for that one ... would be even better if they started serving DUS then I'd be a very happy camper. I flew YVR-YYC-KEF-DUS and back with Canada3000 in the 90s and loved the KEF stop over.



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User currently offlineicelandair75w From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5486 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 16):
Oh how my fingers are crossed for that one ... would be even better if they started serving DUS then I'd be a very happy camper. I flew YVR-YYC-KEF-DUS and back with Canada3000 in the 90s and loved the KEF stop over.

YVR more likely than not won't happen, but we do fly to DUS.


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7653 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5466 times:

Quoting icelandair75w (Reply 17):
but we do fly to DUS.

When did FI start DUS?

But my fingers are still crossed for YVR  



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User currently offlinealfa75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5426 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 15):
Is there even a sliver of demand for Las Vegas to Iceland?

I really think this is to make it easier for people to visit Iceland. Remember, the gentleman quoted is the Minister of TOURISM and Transportation. They need visitors to help rebuild their economy.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5392 times:
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Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 5):
What would be the odds of them starting up a KEF-YYC? That would be awesome to see them here.

Makes more sense than YEG when you factor in "festivals" and "shopping" for Icelandics.

I mean, there's the Phillips-Conoco Stage; Theater Calgary; Calgary Philharmonic; the Alberta Ballet and ballet school; the Calgary Stampede, and the NHL and CFL teams.

On the other hand, in Edmonton, you can -- you can -- you can -- I can't think of anything either   


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5343 times:

I'm surprised that ORD or MIA are being overlooked. What kind of traffic are they focused on?

Why haven't they pursued any codeshares? I could see a FI/AA codeshare for Caribbean bound pax.



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User currently offlineflyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4997 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 20):
What would be the odds of them starting up a KEF-YYC? That would be awesome to see them here.

Makes more sense than YEG when you factor in "festivals" and "shopping" for Icelandics.

I mean, there's the Phillips-Conoco Stage; Theater Calgary; Calgary Philharmonic; the Alberta Ballet and ballet school; the Calgary Stampede, and the NHL and CFL teams.

On the other hand, in Edmonton, you can -- you can -- you can -- I can't think of anything either

Obviously your not serious. I live in Calgary and work with a major Natural Gas Company. Our company and me personally go up to Edmonton for the Edmonton Symphony, the Citadel, the Winspear Centre, of course NHL, Edmonton Rush, CFL and many other things. During the summer, a group of friends always attends Edmonton's Hertigage days and Taste of Edmonton.

Sure we have a lot in Calgary, but Edmonton has things that we don't have...including not the best airservice. Think it is okay for them to grab this flight over us. On that note, I got to get to get packing for my flight to HKG.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4910 times:
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Quoting flyb (Reply 22):
Obviously your not serious. I live in Calgary and work with a major Natural Gas Company. Our company and me personally go up to Edmonton for the Edmonton Symphony, the Citadel, the Winspear Centre, of course NHL, Edmonton Rush, CFL and many other things. During the summer, a group of friends always attends Edmonton's Hertigage days and Taste of Edmonton.

"Taste of Edmonton??" C'mon, now *you* can't be serious. Edmonton has a cuisine?
Has Edmonton had a "Top Chef" or an "Iron Chef" challenger like Calgary has?

Btw, when was the Edmonton Symphony's last recording?  

Okay seriously, you are correct that air services are not equal between Calgary and Edmonton. But it's hard for two cities of similar size and with similar business bases that are *so close together* to have identical services. Analogies are New York and Philadelphia ; Baltimore and Washington DC ; and Oakland vs. San Francisco .

Icelandair service will not exactly even the playing field in either city. But I can see how it would give all Albertans more choices.


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

Doesn't look like Icelandair is flying anywhere today - Volcano.

And if the eruption lasts any length of time...


25 threepoint : The road distance between Edmonton and Calgary - while not overwhelming - is significantly greater than those of the other city-pairs you listed. I t
26 normie999 : It strikes me from the whole tenor of what Mr Moller had to say it was purely for the benefit of a domestic audience, and, frankly, arse-over-tit. I'm
27 yellowtail : Visit the airport!
28 shamrock604 : I doubt the British are exactly flavour of the month in Iceland either, what with having used anti -terrorist legislation to freeze the assets of Ice
29 GSPSPOT : Obviously your not serious. I live in Calgary and work with a major Natural Gas Company. Our company and me personally go up to Edmonton for the Edmo
30 Andaman : Probably more demand other way around, I can see Nordics flying FI to Las Vegas, through hassle-free KEF.[Edited 2010-03-22 20:26:31]
31 Post contains links Viscount724 : Reports indicate that flights are returning to normal. Icelandair's SEA-KEF flight on Saturday diverted to BOS when north of Hudson Bay when airports
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