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Will LX Restart SIN?  
User currently offlineManekS From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8001 times:

With SQ putting the A380 on the ZRH route, a capacity reduction of about 85 seats a day, is there a chance Swiss will restart its SIN flights? The regional manager had stated that they would 'be back' when the economy picked up, which it has. It'd be an absolute delight to see that beautiful A343 make its way down here after a long year.  

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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7855 times:

I don't think so. It would be difficult to compete with the 380 on this route. Definitely not with a one-stop flight (via BKK). At the moment LX code-shares on the SQ 380 flight.

User currently onlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 7674 times:

Another consideration is that there is much more capacity between MUC (a hub which attracts Swiss pax) and SIN this summer. LH used to have a MUC-SIN monopoly but from the end of March SIA will also be plying the route. SIA is using a B777-300ER to fly MAN-MUC-SIN.

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 2):
Another consideration is that there is much more capacity between MUC (a hub which attracts Swiss pax)

I am not sure if MUC really is an issue. Actually people from here only fly via MUC when there is no direct flight from ZRH.


User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1697 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7408 times:

What are the changes of LX switching to a GVA-SIN flight? That would provide key access to a very strong *A as well as service high-yielding premium traffic.

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7330 times:

Quoting Directorguy (Reply 4):
What are the changes of LX switching to a GVA-SIN flight

No chance. As a medium sized airline LX only can have one long-haul hub. They have to feed their long-haul flights with european flights. The GVA-JFK flight is an exception.

[Edited 2010-03-20 10:04:26]

User currently onlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7043 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 5):
The GVA-JFK flight is an exception.

That exception is presumably because of the various international bodies located in Geneva, eg the UN, WHO, Red Cross and so on.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25848 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6894 times:

Quoting Directorguy (Reply 4):
What are the changes of LX switching to a GVA-SIN flight? That would provide key access to a very strong *A as well as service high-yielding premium traffic.

Highly unlikely. GVA-Tokyo is a larger O&D market than GVA-SIN and in the highly unlikely event LX ever expands longhaul service from GVA, that would be the most logical route. But, as already mentioned, adding longhaul routes from GVA would weaken ZRH's strength as a hub. Switzerland isn't big enough for 2 longhaul gateways with very rare exceptions like GVA-JFK, the only longhaul route Swissair didn't drop when they moved almost all their GVA services to ZRH in the mid-1990s.


User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2487 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6740 times:

How about reinstating ZRH-CGK?


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User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6414 times:

Quoting akhmad (Reply 8):
How about reinstating ZRH-CGK?

I think CGK is a pretty low yielding market, so I would say unlikely.


User currently offlineSQFIRST From Singapore, joined Dec 2009, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5933 times:

It would be good to see LX back at SIN. Interestingly though, Swissport was of course their ground handler in SIN who have also left Changi so if LX were to return then they would need to look for a new ground handler.

If they did return then it would reinstate a first class service on SIN-BKK since SQ no longer offers F class on that route. This would be good for star alliance mileage spenders! It would also offer a first class service on the SIN-ZRH market which SQ will be giving up. SQ will be using the A380 which does not have a first class cabin but a very over priced suites cabin.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3142 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5614 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 5):
No chance. As a medium sized airline LX only can have one long-haul hub. They have to feed their long-haul flights with european flights. The GVA-JFK flight is an exception.

Didnt LX fly GVA-LAX?



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User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4513 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

Quoting SQFIRST (Reply 10):
If they did return then it would reinstate a first class service on SIN-BKK

If LX were to return to Singapore, it would surely be through a nonstop operation rather than with a stopover. I believe that LX will ultimately return to SIN to ensure better coverage of the South East Asia region through SQ interline flights. The entire region is currently relying on the BKK and HKG flights. A ZRH SIN nonstop could as such serve the Malaysia and Indonesia markets and carry part of the Australia traffic that is currently routed through BKK.


User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 890 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3923 times:

But GVA-JFK and GVA-DME are amongst (if not the) most profitable routes of LX.

User currently onlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3434 times:

Quoting SQFIRST (Reply 10):
SQ will be using the A380 which does not have a first class cabin but a very over priced suites cabin.

I agree. But then you have to remember that a) SQ now has a monopoly on the route and that b) ZRH and Switzerland is a different marketplace compared to other European destinations. There are some very wealthy companies and individuals in Switzerland. Maybe that's one reason why SQ decided to bring the A380 to ZRH before it launches an A380 service to FRA.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25848 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 11):
Quoting ZRH (Reply 5):
No chance. As a medium sized airline LX only can have one long-haul hub. They have to feed their long-haul flights with european flights. The GVA-JFK flight is an exception.

Didnt LX fly GVA-LAX?

Swissair did, not LX. The flight operated ZRH-GVA-LAX, first with DC-10-30 and later with MD-11. That route had been changed to ZRH-LAX nonstop before Swissair went bankrupt. They moved almost all their longhaul (and many shorthaul) flights from GVA to ZRH in the mid-1990s to strenghten ZRH as a hub.


User currently offlineLX138 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

I can see them going back, and as a non-stop too, I think the BKK routing was part of what made it unviable.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 2):
Another consideration is that there is much more capacity between MUC (a hub which attracts Swiss pax) and SIN this summer. LH used to have a MUC-SIN monopoly but from the end of March SIA will also be plying the route. SIA is using a B777-300ER to fly MAN-MUC-SIN.

No, it really doesn't attract that many LX passengers.

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 13):
But GVA-JFK and GVA-DME are amongst (if not the) most profitable routes of LX.

Very much exceptions, LX are trying to grow the GVA base again but the chances of seeing new long-haul is unlikely - the JFK flight has been well optimised to involve a ZRH based A330 - LX aren't going to base any long haul aircraft there anytime soon.



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User currently offlineCysafan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

Quoting ManekS (Thread starter):
With SQ putting the A380 on the ZRH route, a capacity reduction of about 85 seats a day, is there a chance Swiss will restart its SIN flights? The regional manager had stated that they would 'be back' when the economy picked up, which it has. It'd be an absolute delight to see that beautiful A343 make its way down here after a long year.  

No it is not possible man... LX does all its loading of cargos and fuel at BKK only... Singapore is NOT a LX loading country so it is not necessary to add SIN and besides that , Singapore Airlines competes heavily with LX to ZRH by using their new B777-300ER ... By the way , are you sure SQ deploys its A380 to ZRH.???


User currently onlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Quoting Cysafan (Reply 17):
By the way , are you sure SQ deploys its A380 to ZRH.???

From March 28 and onwards SQ will do SIN-ZRH with a daliy A380.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 18):
From March 28 and onwards SQ will do SIN-ZRH with a daliy A380

I will be on the frist A380 to Zurich as per my Singapore Airlines First to Fly the A380 tradition.   

I hope some of you will be at the airport to see us landing. I won't be able to take pictures of the landing from the outside so I am counting on who ever can be there to provide pictures.   

I am leaving tomorrow. I am sure ManuCH or some other Zurich residents will open a thread when the time is near. The Big Bus landing at Zurich Airport will be quiite impressive. I have arranged to still be at the airport for the take off to Singapore at mid-day before I go on my connecting flight.   

I am sure Singapore Airlines will have much success with the Zurich route. Goodie they fly an A380 into Zurich before LH flies their first flight into Frankfurt - the same they flew their A380 into CDG long before AF flew theirs.   



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User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2384 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):

Enjoy the ride MadameConcorde! Looking forward to a trip report  


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Quoting HECA (Reply 20):
Enjoy the ride MadameConcorde! Looking forward to a trip report

This is a night flight leaving right after midnight so I don't know how it will go. I don't even have a seat assignment yet. I booked it on the LX site a long while ago already. I had no access to seating arrangements.

I am already one trip report late from my last wonderful mileage run. Got all the pictures and the text but so little time. I will have to catch up on it later. I have got several flights on this trip with 3 different airlines. I hate Airbii 340-600s though I will have to do with one between ZRH and BKK. I hope it will not be too over crowed as here again I don't know what my seat will be. I guess I will find out tomorrow. I have got my handy little camera and the chips all ready for the trip.

    

I am counting on those few in Zurich who will be brave enough to go to the airport in the early morning to see us landing. Please be there!   



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Quoting Cysafan (Reply 17):
By the way , are you sure SQ deploys its A380 to ZRH.

As said, it is definite from March 28th on. The first few flights are already fully booked.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 22):
The first few flights are already fully booked

Business cabin fully booked on the first flight of 28 March.
Economy seats still available. One F Suite still available.



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