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OAG Changes 3/19/2010: AA/B6/FL/DL/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7244 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8054 times:

This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.

How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route

Please take it easy on any typos, there was a lot to type...

AA
ORD-TRI 0>2 JUL-

B6
BOS-JFK 9>8 JUL-
BOS-LGB 2>1 JUL- Summer 1 RT!
JFK-BUF 10>9 JUL-
JFK-IAD 4>3 JUL-
JFK-LAX 2>4 JUL-
JFK-LGB 3>2 JUL-
JFK-RSW 4>3 JUL-
LGB-PDX 2>3 JUL-
LGB-SEA 2>3 JUL-
MCO-BUF 2>1 JUL-
MCO-PWM 1>1/WK JUL-

CO
EWR-JAX 5>4 JUN-AUG

DL
Effective June in most cases
ATL-AEX 3.8>2.8
ATL-DAB 6.0>5.0
ATL-DTW 11.6>10.6
ATL-FAY 9.8>8.8
ATL-JNB 1.0>1.2
ATL-LAX 11.0>10.0
ATL-LEX 9.5>8.7
ATL-MLB 6.0>5.0
ATL-MYR 5.0>6.0
ATL-NAS 5.0>3.7
ATL-NRT 1.4>1.0
ATL-PVD 3.0>4.0
ATL-SRQ 6.0>5.0
ATL-SXM 1.2>1.0
ATL-TLV 1.0>0.9
CVG-BNA 2.8>3.8
CVG-CMH 2.8>3.7
CVG-GSP 0.0>1.0
CVG-IND 2.7>3.7
CVG-RIC 1.8>2.8
CVG-SDF 2.0>2.8
DTW-ATL 12.1>10.5
DTW-LGA 9.7>9.0
DTW-PBI 2.0>1.0
DTW-TPA 5.0>4.0
JFK-BNA 2.0>3.0
JFK-BUF 4.0>5.0
JFK-PIT 4.0>5.0
LAX-NRT 1.6>1.0
LGA-SAV 3.8>2.8
MEM-TUP 1.0>2.0
MSP-BIL 3.0>4.0
MSP-FOD 0.0>2.0
MSP-GEG 3.0>4.0
MSP-GFK 5.0>7.0
SLC-ABQ 4.8>5.7
SLC-BTM 2.0>3.0
SLC-IAH 5.0>4.0
SLC-RAP 2.0>3.0
SLC-SJC 5.0>4.0

F9
MCI-CUN 0>1/WK JUN-AUG

FL
HSV-BWI 0>2 JUN-
HSV-MCO 0>1 JUN-
IND-LAX 1>0 JUN-
MKE-SAN 1>2 JUN-SEP

K5
Didn't realize they were flying in the lower 48.

JNU-SGY 0.0>3.0
MEM-ELD 0.0>2.5
MEM-HOT 0.0>2.5
MEM-HRO 0.0>2.5
MEM-JBR 0.0>2.5
PDT-PDX 0.0>3.0
PDX-AST 0.0>3.0
PDX-BFI 0.0>5.3
PDX-ONP 0.0>2.0
PDX-PDT 0.0>3.0

UA
DEN-OGG 0>1/WK SEP
DEN-KOA 0>1/WK SEP
PSP-SFO 2>1 JUN-AUG

US
Most take effect in June
BOS-BHB 1.7>2.8
BOS-PHL 13.9>14.6
BOS-PIT 2.7>4.4
BOS-RIC 1.5>2.1
CLT-ABE 2.1>2.7
CLT-AGS 5.4>6.8
CLT-AVL 6.9>8.5
CLT-BUF 4.0>5.0
CLT-BWI 8.9>9.8
CLT-CAK 3.7>5.0
CLT-CHS 7.9>9.0
CLT-DFW 6.9>8.0
CLT-GSO 7.7>9.0
CLT-HHH 5.7>8.0
CLT-ILM 7.9>9.0
CLT-IND 7.5>9.0
CLT-JAN 2.7>3.7
CLT-LEX 5.3>6.2
CLT-LGA 9.6>10.7
CLT-LYH 3.8>4.8
CLT-MCI 3.7>5.0
CLT-MDT 3.8>4.8
CLT-MSY 4.9>7.0
CLT-MYR 6.9>8.0
CLT-PHF 4.4>6.6
CLT-PNS 3.0>4.2
CLT-PVR 0.0>0.6
CLT-SAT 2.0>3.0
CLT-SAV 6.9>8.0
CLT-SDF 5.9>7.2
CLT-SJD 0.0>0.7
CLT-SRQ 4.0>3.0
CLT-VPS 2.7>4.0
DCA-ACK 1.0>1.6
DCA-BGR 0.0>0.2
DCA-IND 3.8>4.7
DCA-PBI 3.0>2.0
DCA-PHL 10.0>10.7
LAS-CLT 4.9>5.0
LAS-DFW 2.8>3.0 Surprised this isnt cut with the rest of LAS.
LAS-PHX 8.8>10.0
LAS-SFO 5.0>4.0
LGA-ACK 0.0>2.8
LGA-BTV 5.8>3.9
LGA-BUF 7.2>5.5
LGA-BWI 8.3>4.8
LGA-CHS 1.5>2.0
LGA-CLT 11.3>12.1
LGA-DAY 2.4>1.7
LGA-ILM 2.4>2.8
LGA-MHT 4.1>3.6
LGA-MVY 0.0>3.6
LGA-ORF 6.5>5.6
LGA-PHL 19.5>18.1
LGA-PVD 4.8>2.4
LGA-RIC 5.5>4.9
LGA-ROC 5.5>3.9
LGA-SYR 5.7>4.8
PHL-ABE 4.3>4.8
PHL-ALB 5.8>5.1
PHL-CHS 2.8>3.6
PHL-CVG 4.1>4.8
PHL-DAY 3.7>4.2
PHL-DCA 9.1>9.7
PHL-EWR 4.0>4.6
PHL-GSO 4.7>5.3
PHL-GSP 1.7>2.5
PHL-LGA 21.5>19.2
PHL-MKE 2.0>2.5
PHL-MYR 0.0>0.8
PHL-PWM 4.7>6.0
PHL-SAV 1.0>1.5
PHL-YHZ 0.0>3.0
PHX-LAS 8.8>10.0
PHX-LAX 6.0>6.8
PHX-LGB 3.8>4.4
PHX-SAN 6.0>7.0
PIT-BOS 2.7>4.4

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User currently offlinerwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8009 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-NRT 1.4>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LAX-NRT 1.6>1.0

Could DL be any more schizophrenic with their NRT flying post-merger? It seems they've jumbled things all up just for the sake of doing so, and are now retreating to the original frequencies.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
K5
Didn't realize they were flying in the lower 48.

JNU-SGY 0.0>3.0
MEM-ELD 0.0>2.5
MEM-HOT 0.0>2.5
MEM-HRO 0.0>2.5
MEM-JBR 0.0>2.5
PDT-PDX 0.0>3.0
PDX-AST 0.0>3.0
PDX-BFI 0.0>5.3
PDX-ONP 0.0>2.0
PDX-PDT 0.0>3.0

I think this is SeaPort.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7921 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CVG-IND 2.7>3.7

Frankly, I don't know why DL even keeps this route around in the first place. A lot of pax on the route are actually pax from the Cincinnati area who drive to IND in search of a lower fare, then fly back to CVG and on to the final destination. Often times, an IND-CVG-xxx routing is cheaper than a CVG-xxx nonstop. Shouldn't Delta be cutting this and similar routes (does DL still fly CVG-DAY/CMH?), not increasing frequency, so they can cut off the oxygen supply to this loophole and keep the CVG hub healthy?



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7244 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7805 times:

Quoting rwSEA (Reply 1):
Could DL be any more schizophrenic with their NRT flying post-merger? It seems they've jumbled things all up just for the sake of doing so, and are now retreating to the original frequencies.

What they did is pull the added freqs that had planned to NRT where they applied for HND service. They probably don't want to win and then cut them after saying HND would be incremental in their route case. That would earn them a hand slap from DOT.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 2):
Frankly, I don't know why DL even keeps this route around in the first place. A lot of pax on the route are actually pax from the Cincinnati area who drive to IND in search of a lower fare, then fly back to CVG and on to the final destination. Often times, an IND-CVG-xxx routing is cheaper than a CVG-xxx nonstop. Shouldn't Delta be cutting this and similar routes (does DL still fly CVG-DAY/CMH?), not increasing frequency, so they can cut off the oxygen supply to this loophole and keep the CVG hub healthy?

They are just adding because they need homes for the planes that were headed to LGA.


User currently offlinevw From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7543 times:

Why is the Mesaba FOD-MSP going nonstop?

User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7522 times:

Why is the Mesaba Ft. Dodge (FO

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 2):
Shouldn't Delta be cutting this and similar routes (does DL still fly CVG-DAY/CMH?), not increasing frequency, so they can cut off the oxygen supply to this loophole and keep the CVG hub healthy?

Oh just give it time, it will happen!


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1955 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7460 times:

Quoting vw (Reply 4):
Why is the Mesaba FOD-MSP going nonstop?

That's precisely my question. I wonder if there's any change then to the MSP-MCW-FOD flights.


User currently onlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1936 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7425 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 2):
Shouldn't Delta be cutting this and similar routes (does DL still fly CVG-DAY/CMH?),

agreed, DL did cut CVG-DAY though which, i believe, was the biggest culprit as far as leakage goes.


User currently offlinePHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7345 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 6):
Quoting vw (Reply 4):
Why is the Mesaba FOD-MSP going nonstop?

That's precisely my question. I wonder if there's any change then to the MSP-MCW-FOD flights.

Seems to be a DL strategy to cut tags. PIR has non-stops to MSP starting next month I believe. After EAU ended, I believe RHI got some more non-stops. Didn't GFK-DVL also end? I would imagine that the MCW-FOD tag is ending as well.


User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6869 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
K5
Didn't realize they were flying in the lower 48.

JNU-SGY 0.0>3.0
MEM-ELD 0.0>2.5
MEM-HOT 0.0>2.5
MEM-HRO 0.0>2.5
MEM-JBR 0.0>2.5
PDT-PDX 0.0>3.0
PDX-AST 0.0>3.0
PDX-BFI 0.0>5.3
PDX-ONP 0.0>2.0
PDX-PDT 0.0>3.0

Yes, Same company operates Wings of Alaska and Seaport. Maybe has to do with switch to Caravans from PC12s.
Also , Seaport starting HRO-MCI-SLN Apr 19 (iirc). Taking over EAS into SLN. 3x M-F, 1x MCI-HRO.



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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9509 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6780 times:

Quoting rwSEA (Reply 1):
Could DL be any more schizophrenic with their NRT flying post-merger? It seems they've jumbled things all up just for the sake of doing so, and are now retreating to the original frequencies.

If it sticks with the aircraft they have now it will be a pretty big cut in seats in the market
I expect them to upgrade LAX-NRT back to a 744, or they will keep it at a 332(maybe a 777) because they get LAX-HND.
They ran the 332 on it before and it lasted all of a month before they upgraded it to a 744, don't expect it work this time.

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
What they did is pull the added freqs that had planned to NRT where they applied for HND service

LA is the only market they have done this. SEA,DTW have are the same and HNL will grow by 4x weekly.



yep.
User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6775 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
What they did is pull the added freqs that had planned to NRT where they applied for HND service.
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-NRT 1.4>1.0

DL didn't apply for ATL-HND.



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7244 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6418 times:

Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 8):
Seems to be a DL strategy to cut tags.

I probably missed posting the cut tag because DL's changes are so huge I usually just post the hubs to avoid repetition.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 10):
I expect them to upgrade LAX-NRT back to a 744,

Depends how many 744s go to HND.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 10):
DTW have are the same

I didn't post that one. It was also cut from 10/week to daily. It was increased a month or two ago for summer and now pulled back.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 11):
DL didn't apply for ATL-HND

True, but if they get HND, it will be a lot of new Tokyo capacity and they are cutting in advance of an award.


User currently offlinecompensateme From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6234 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):
I didn't post that one. It was also cut from 10/week to daily. It was increased a month or two ago for summer and now pulled back.

Delta has never loaded a schedule reflecting 10-weekly DTW/NRT flights for this summer.



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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9509 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6165 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):

Depends how many 744s go to HND.

Well not really.
If they dont get LAX-HND then i expect it will go back to 744. If by somne act of god they do then i could see it staying at a 332 because LAX-HND will be on a 744.
Seeing that i don't expect them to get LAX-HND(and if they do I expect it will be the only slot they get) I see LAX-NRT going back to a 747.



yep.
User currently offlineocracoke From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6091 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-DTW 11.6>10.6
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DTW-ATL 12.1>10.5

Does DL really run more flights in one direction than the other?


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5590 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5991 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LAS-DFW 2.8>3.0 Surprised this isnt cut with the rest of LAS.

Perhaps the lack of WN exposure - essentially just AA - makes it profitable enough to stay? Of course, that clock is ticking en route to 2014.

-Dave



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7244 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5128 times:

Quoting compensateme (Reply 13):
Delta has never loaded a schedule reflecting 10-weekly DTW/NRT flights for this summer.

I show that DTW-NRT was going to 10/week and Nagoya was going to Daily, but now the NRT shows daily again on delta.com. Haven't checked Nagoya lately.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 14):
Well not really

No really. One of the routes they are asking for is scheduled to use 2 744s. They don't have that many. They have to come from somewhere.

Quoting ocracoke (Reply 15):
Does DL really run more flights in one direction than the other?

Yes, and that is not unusual in a high frequency market. It's unusual in low frequency markets, but I've seen markets with 3 in one direction and 2 in the other before. US used to do it a lot. I'm not a big fan of it since IMHO it depresses load factor by constraining one direction.


User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4405 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4425 times:
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Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 6):
Quoting vw (Reply 4):
Why is the Mesaba FOD-MSP going nonstop?

That's precisely my question. I wonder if there's any change then to the MSP-MCW-FOD flights

For whatever reason DL has been getting rid of tags lately. I am very surprised that MSP-FOD will be 2x daily, while MSP-MCW will be 3x daily still. That's going to be a lot of extra capacity.



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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9509 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4320 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
No really. One of the routes they are asking for is scheduled to use 2 744s. They don't have that many. They have to come from somewhere.

Yes and no. If they get DTW-HND i don't expect DTW-NRT to stay on a 747, and it doesn't matter, DL has slack in the 744 fleet to add LAX-NRT back even with the 744s going to HND for DTW.



yep.
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23086 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4261 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
but now the NRT shows daily again on delta.com. Haven't checked Nagoya lately.

NGO shows 6x/week (x2 westbound, x4 eastbound) on Delta's electronic timetable.



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