enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6130 posts, RR: 13 Posted (3 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 6616 times:
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.
How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route
Please take it easy on any typos, there was a lot to type...
Could DL be any more schizophrenic with their NRT flying post-merger? It seems they've jumbled things all up just for the sake of doing so, and are now retreating to the original frequencies.
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): K5
Didn't realize they were flying in the lower 48.
Frankly, I don't know why DL even keeps this route around in the first place. A lot of pax on the route are actually pax from the Cincinnati area who drive to IND in search of a lower fare, then fly back to CVG and on to the final destination. Often times, an IND-CVG-xxx routing is cheaper than a CVG-xxx nonstop. Shouldn't Delta be cutting this and similar routes (does DL still fly CVG-DAY/CMH?), not increasing frequency, so they can cut off the oxygen supply to this loophole and keep the CVG hub healthy?
enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6130 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6367 times:
Quoting rwSEA (Reply 1): Could DL be any more schizophrenic with their NRT flying post-merger? It seems they've jumbled things all up just for the sake of doing so, and are now retreating to the original frequencies.
What they did is pull the added freqs that had planned to NRT where they applied for HND service. They probably don't want to win and then cut them after saying HND would be incremental in their route case. That would earn them a hand slap from DOT.
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 2): Frankly, I don't know why DL even keeps this route around in the first place. A lot of pax on the route are actually pax from the Cincinnati area who drive to IND in search of a lower fare, then fly back to CVG and on to the final destination. Often times, an IND-CVG-xxx routing is cheaper than a CVG-xxx nonstop. Shouldn't Delta be cutting this and similar routes (does DL still fly CVG-DAY/CMH?), not increasing frequency, so they can cut off the oxygen supply to this loophole and keep the CVG hub healthy?
They are just adding because they need homes for the planes that were headed to LGA.
RJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1166 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6084 times:
Why is the Mesaba Ft. Dodge (FO
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 2): Shouldn't Delta be cutting this and similar routes (does DL still fly CVG-DAY/CMH?), not increasing frequency, so they can cut off the oxygen supply to this loophole and keep the CVG hub healthy?
PHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5907 times:
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 6): Quoting vw (Reply 4):
Why is the Mesaba FOD-MSP going nonstop?
That's precisely my question. I wonder if there's any change then to the MSP-MCW-FOD flights.
Seems to be a DL strategy to cut tags. PIR has non-stops to MSP starting next month I believe. After EAU ended, I believe RHI got some more non-stops. Didn't GFK-DVL also end? I would imagine that the MCW-FOD tag is ending as well.
mtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2118 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5431 times:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): K5
Didn't realize they were flying in the lower 48.
Yes, Same company operates Wings of Alaska and Seaport. Maybe has to do with switch to Caravans from PC12s.
Also , Seaport starting HRO-MCI-SLN Apr 19 (iirc). Taking over EAS into SLN. 3x M-F, 1x MCI-HRO.
deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8577 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5342 times:
Quoting rwSEA (Reply 1): Could DL be any more schizophrenic with their NRT flying post-merger? It seems they've jumbled things all up just for the sake of doing so, and are now retreating to the original frequencies.
If it sticks with the aircraft they have now it will be a pretty big cut in seats in the market
I expect them to upgrade LAX-NRT back to a 744, or they will keep it at a 332(maybe a 777) because they get LAX-HND.
They ran the 332 on it before and it lasted all of a month before they upgraded it to a 744, don't expect it work this time.
Quoting enilria (Reply 3): What they did is pull the added freqs that had planned to NRT where they applied for HND service
LA is the only market they have done this. SEA,DTW have are the same and HNL will grow by 4x weekly.
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JBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 783 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5337 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 3): What they did is pull the added freqs that had planned to NRT where they applied for HND service.
compensateme From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4796 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 12): I didn't post that one. It was also cut from 10/week to daily. It was increased a month or two ago for summer and now pulled back.
Delta has never loaded a schedule reflecting 10-weekly DTW/NRT flights for this summer.
deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8577 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4727 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 12):
Depends how many 744s go to HND.
Well not really.
If they dont get LAX-HND then i expect it will go back to 744. If by somne act of god they do then i could see it staying at a 332 because LAX-HND will be on a 744.
Seeing that i don't expect them to get LAX-HND(and if they do I expect it will be the only slot they get) I see LAX-NRT going back to a 747.
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PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 28 Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4553 times:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): LAS-DFW 2.8>3.0 Surprised this isnt cut with the rest of LAS.
Perhaps the lack of WN exposure - essentially just AA - makes it profitable enough to stay? Of course, that clock is ticking en route to 2014.
No really. One of the routes they are asking for is scheduled to use 2 744s. They don't have that many. They have to come from somewhere.
Quoting ocracoke (Reply 15): Does DL really run more flights in one direction than the other?
Yes, and that is not unusual in a high frequency market. It's unusual in low frequency markets, but I've seen markets with 3 in one direction and 2 in the other before. US used to do it a lot. I'm not a big fan of it since IMHO it depresses load factor by constraining one direction.
iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4089 posts, RR: 7 Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2987 times:
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Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 6): Quoting vw (Reply 4):
Why is the Mesaba FOD-MSP going nonstop?
That's precisely my question. I wonder if there's any change then to the MSP-MCW-FOD flights
For whatever reason DL has been getting rid of tags lately. I am very surprised that MSP-FOD will be 2x daily, while MSP-MCW will be 3x daily still. That's going to be a lot of extra capacity.
deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8577 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 2882 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 17): No really. One of the routes they are asking for is scheduled to use 2 744s. They don't have that many. They have to come from somewhere.
Yes and no. If they get DTW-HND i don't expect DTW-NRT to stay on a 747, and it doesn't matter, DL has slack in the 744 fleet to add LAX-NRT back even with the 744s going to HND for DTW.
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