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Is This A Braniff 720 Or 707 Cabin?  
User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 666 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8141 times:

Was shown this photo on a scale diecast aircraft forum



It is from a 1966 ATW article

Does anyone know if this shows a 720, 707-227 or 707-327C cabin?

Also of interest may be this photo of a 727 cabin with the 1968 Braniff uniform



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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1969 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8075 times:

I don't see any evidence of a cargo door.........


This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5061 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7896 times:

My guess would be a B720, as it looks like there is no First Class lounge.

Some airlines did this. By replacing the FClass lounge with three rows of F seats on the left side of the aircraft opposite the First Class galley, the total passenger capacity was not much less than a B707-100.



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User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7880 times:

Did Braniff operate the 707-227/327C with the F class lounge? I know most airlines did, but am not sure if it was standard across all 707's

User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5061 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7838 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 3):
Did Braniff operate the 707-227/327C with the F class lounge?

Braniff's B707-227s were built with a F Class lounge. I am not sure how long they lasted. Some airlines like AA kept them well into the 1970s. As this picture is from 1966, I would guess the F Class lounge would still be installed, if it were built that way.

As mentioned above, there does not appear to be the cargo door of the -327Cs, so it is likely a B720, as the B707-227s would still have the F Class lounge.



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User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7762 times:

How did the cargo door actually appear from the passenger cabin? Braniff rarely used their 707's for cargo ops...

User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7594 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 5):
How did the cargo door actually appear from the passenger cabin? Braniff rarely used their 707's for cargo ops...

I remember Western Airlines 707's had cargo doors. It was obvious looking at one from the outside but you couldn't tell from the inside. The interior panels hid the cargo door. It was a long time ago though.   


User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5061 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7378 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 5):
How did the cargo door actually appear from the passenger cabin?

There are gaps in the window spacing, with a blank panel. So glancing at the windows, you can see where the cargo door is located. Also, the over head racks are slightly different, with support struts where the cargo door is. On some Boeing aircraft, with the old (non wide-body look) interiors, the cargo door seams go right up the ceiling.

With the new interiors, other than the window spacing, it was harder to tell, as there were many seams to disguise where the door is located.

This photo of the B727-100 shows a little of what I mean:


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25700 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6974 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 4):
As mentioned above, there does not appear to be the cargo door of the -327Cs, so it is likely a B720, as the B707-227s would still have the F Class lounge.

Unless they'd removed the lounge by then. That was 7 years after BN's 4 707-227s went into service. In any case, it's definitely not a 727 as BN's only 727s in 1966 were the -100QC which, like other -100s, had a mid-cabin galley. So that's either a 707 or 720.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 7):
With the new interiors, other than the window spacing, it was harder to tell, as there were many seams to disguise where the door is located.

This photo of the B727-100 shows a little of what I mean:

However that's a 727-100QC (Quick Change) with seats and galleys etc. mounted on pallets. which could be quickly changed from passenger to cargo configuration.. The 707-320C wasn't designed to do that. Many -320Cs were only used in passenger service by their original operators, but the cargo door made them more popular with subsequent operators. The 707 must be the only airliner where a model with a main deck cargo door was by far the largest selling version.


User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1969 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6859 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
In any case, it's definitely not a 727 as BN's only 727s in 1966 were the -100QC which, like other -100s, had a mid-cabin galley

You can tell a 707 from a 727 by the cockpit door hinge. If you open a 707 cockpit door during boarding, it will block the entryway.


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Here you can kinda see the breaks in the sidewall/hatrack for the cargo door:


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The C model 707s seem to have those metal brackets(?) at the upper edges of some sidewall panels as well. I do not know what they are......







[Edited 2010-03-21 15:53:55]


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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1969 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6672 times:

The under the hatrack coat closet might be a clue as well. Most airlines would blank out a window for this closet, so the distance from the galley door to the first window on the right side would be increased.

Compare B720:
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To a 707-327C:
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Photo © George W. Hamlin




Could still be a -227 though:
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User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6625 times:

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 10):

Did ja catch the Eastern 747 in the background of the green 320?
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