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Would The Kawasaki XP-1 Work As An Airliner?  
User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1055 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8620 times:
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Would the Kawasaki XP-1 maritime patrol aircraft would work as a short haul airliner if converted for such use?




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User currently offlineflyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8558 times:

Why would any airline want to buy such a small 4-engined aircraft?

User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1055 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8545 times:
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True, true. Just thought that if Japan decided they wanted to build a small airliner, this might be a good starting point.


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User currently offlinesasd209 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Oct 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8379 times:

Are there any published performance specs on this A/C, does it have any STOL qualities?

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30981 posts, RR: 86
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8364 times:
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There are evidently plans for a commercial version of it's sister - the Kawasaki C-2 transport plane - being developed for the JASDF.

User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8341 times:

If it was able to fit a niche market and seat enough people, it could work on certain routes (not sure exactly which ones, I am not a route planner). But, four-engined jets do have some high maintenance costs that are tough to offset with that small of a plane, as mentioned earlier.

User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8322 times:
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Quoting flyingclrs727 (Reply 1):
Why would any airline want to buy such a small 4-engined aircraft?

Many airlines have purchased the BAe-146.


User currently offlinesasd209 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Oct 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8274 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 7):
Many airlines have purchased the BAe-146

One of my favorite of all time.....I wouldn't mind another smallish 4-holer in the skies!!!
  


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8118 times:

The BAe146 and Avros have been surpassed by more efficient twins now. There is probably a niche for this type of aircraft...I just don't know what it is.


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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7955 times:
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Quoting drerx7 (Reply 8):
The BAe146 and Avros have been surpassed by more efficient twins now. There is probably a niche for this type of aircraft...I just don't know what it is.

That's more than likely true, but the 146's were fun to fly when they were around in the US.


User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7931 times:

Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
the Kawasaki XP-1 maritime patrol aircraft

Looks like a mini A340-600


User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7752 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 10):
Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
the Kawasaki XP-1 maritime patrol aircraft

Looks like a mini A340-600

I was going to say that with the engines it looks like a "micro" DC-8-70 series.

FX1816


User currently offlinesasd209 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Oct 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 7712 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 8):
The BAe146 and Avros have been surpassed by more efficient twins now. There is probably a niche for this type of aircraft...I just don't know what it is.

Probably for a:nutters like myself!!! I'm sure they are inefficient to operate, but I just like them! I flew a Blue1 Avro a couple of years ago just to fly one; it was a flight quite out of my way but I was happy to do it!!


User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 7370 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 9):

That's more than likely true, but the 146's were fun to fly when they were around in the US.

It is true, and unfortunately few people care what type of plane they are on, so "fun" doesn't matter as much as economics. This thing might look neat as a commercial a/c...but it will never be one. I'll put $$$ on that!


User currently offlineGolfOscarDelta From India, joined Feb 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 7290 times:

Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
Would the Kawasaki XP-1 maritime patrol aircraft would work as a short haul airliner if converted for such use?

Coz "4 Engines 4 Short Haul" just doesn't sound right.   


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 7230 times:

According to Wikipedia, there is a proposed commercial derivative, albeit probably twin engined. I suspect from the absence of recent activity, that this will remain a paper project. Impressive to build a purpose built 4 engined MPA, when the US are using modifed 737s though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_YPX



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User currently offlinerbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 592 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 12 hours ago) and read 6255 times:

Seems like they could stretch the thing. If it has STOL ability, on short runs maybe it could work. Get the thing approved for LCY and you may have a market. The Bae-146s have to be replaced sometime.

User currently offlineKCMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 12 hours ago) and read 6141 times:

It looks smaller than it appears. Wikipedia calls it 124 ft in length. Thats comparable to a 737-800 roughly (A.net is call a 738 129ft long)

[Edited 2010-03-22 10:34:14]


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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8152 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 12 hours ago) and read 6068 times:

Quoting hotplane (Reply 2):
Just thought that if Japan decided they wanted to build a small airliner, this might be a good starting point.

They're already doing it, so there's no need:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Regional_Jet



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User currently offlinerbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 592 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 12 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

Quoting KCMike (Reply 17):
Wikipedia calls it 124 ft in length.

That must include that radar mast (or whatever that thing is) on the tail.

Agreed, it looks smaller than it really is. Perhaps a two engine version of this could work.


User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 11 hours ago) and read 5406 times:

With so many other like size planes being proposed and a limited marketplace coupled by a sluggish economy, it's going to be a hard sale.


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User currently offlineJetfixr757 From Jamaica, joined Jan 2006, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 8 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
Would the Kawasaki XP-1 maritime patrol aircraft would work as a short haul airliner if converted for such use?

Coz "4 Engines 4 Short Haul" just doesn
Looks like a baby DC8 must be fun to fly.
Jet


User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1646 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 6 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 11):
I was going to say that with the engines it looks like a "micro" DC-8-70 series.
Quoting Jetfixr757 (Reply 21):
Looks like a baby DC8 must be fun to fly.

I imagine 4 engines were selected for safer flying in an engine-out scenario? This aircraft is to replace PC-3's, which fly mostly over water? no?

Interesting proposal for an airliner, be interesting to see what it would look like...hmmm.... an MAP session me thinks is in order...  



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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Kinda looks like a Bae-146!
I love the Bae-146 it is one sexy aircraft! The plane was okay to fly in but much better to look at! They could sell the thing to United to do DEN - Rockies flying.

Speaking of the Bae-146, are there a lot of (any) VIP configured aircraft? I would love to see what they could do inside of that.



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User currently offlineplanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6183 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

KHI did have plans for a civilian cargo variant...

Kawasaki to develop civil freighter from C-X airlifter

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-freighter-from-c-x-airlifter.html



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User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (4 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 15):
According to Wikipedia, there is a proposed commercial derivative, albeit probably twin engined.
http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=25238

They were indeed contemplating a civilian airliner version, however, they were very tentative about the idea.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...3/316324/kawasaki-talks-civil.html

Quote:
"Plans are also under way to develop the YP-X, a 120-150 seat passenger aircraft derived from the XP-1. This aircraft could compete with future Boeing's and Airbus narrowbodies, as well as Bombardier's CSeries.

It would complete a Japanese-made series of passenger jets, complementing Mitsubishi Aircraft's 70-90 seat Mitsubishi Regional Jet and a 100-120 seater that Mitsubishi might collaborate on with Boeing. However, plans are still at an early stage.

'We are now only studying the possibility for the YP-X,' says Motoyama. 'The business environment is changing day by day and we don't know what will be needed in the future. This is a longer-term project for the company'."


Quoting rbgso (Reply 16):
Seems like they could stretch the thing. If it has STOL ability, on short runs maybe it could work. Get the thing approved for LCY and you may have a market. The Bae-146s have to be replaced sometime.

The type may be a bit big for LCY.

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 23):
Speaking of the Bae-146, are there a lot of (any) VIP configured aircraft? I would love to see what they could do inside of that.

Check these out.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-buys-rj100-avro-business-jet.html

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/avro_rj70/default.aspx



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