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The 727-Did It Ever Do Coast-To-Coast?  
User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15180 times:

From the limited memory I have about 727s, I remember them usually doing runs such as DTW-FLL, MSP-DEN, ORD-PHX, etc. Did any airlines operate them coast to coast though? I read that its max range was ~2400nm, and it's ~2200nm JFK-SFO.


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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15134 times:

The only airline I can remember doing that on a regular basis was MGM Grand Air, which flew 727s between JFK and LAX in a VIP configuration. With normal loads, however, I don't think coast-to-coast routes were doable. NYC-DEN was more typical.


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User currently offlineFlyinround731 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15040 times:

Not quite coast-to-coast, but this video shows a CLT-SFO USAir flight operated by a B722

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBVh2GJJdus


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14995 times:

Again, not quite coast-to-coast, but I did fly LAS-ATL on a DL 727.

User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14876 times:

I would imagine some cargo runs did coast to coast

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4780 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14815 times:

MGM Grand also used auxiliary tanks, making westbound trips a more reliable proposition.


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User currently offlineN92R03 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14588 times:

I flew a DL 727 SLC-MSY-TPA in March of '99 or '00. I remember taxiing back and forth from north to south in SLC as the winds shifted prior to our take off. Good memories...

User currently offlineswabrian From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14562 times:

Northeast flew 727-95s nonstop from MIA to LAX--word had it that they had received permission to shut #2 down during flight to reduce fuel burn. While Delta didn't serve stricly coast to coast, they did operate a 727-232A (with an extra fuel tank in the forward portion of the aft cargo bin) nonstop from PDX to ATL, which would have been coast to coast if it flew due east/west.

User currently offlinequickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14418 times:

Quoting swabrian (Reply 7):
Northeast flew 727-95s nonstop from MIA to LAX--word had it that they had received permission to shut #2 down during flight to reduce fuel burn

Could a 727 fly on one engine?


User currently offlinebigbird From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14363 times:
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DL also used to fly a 727-95 daily nonstop from ATL -SAN.


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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 903 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14268 times:
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I flew a National 727-35 redeye non-stop from LAX to FLL in Sep. '79. I don't recall if they operated it non-stop westbound or not.


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User currently offlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4518 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14226 times:

I flew on a UA 727 ORD-LAX back in 1991. The way back was a 757 though.


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User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1465 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14224 times:

Quoting quickmover (Reply 8):
Could a 727 fly on one engine?

It's a three-holer mate. Fly on one engine? Yes, but only downhill aiming for somewhere to land!

Not quite sure I belive that anyone would shutdown no. 2 in flight. Would mean loss of lubrication with a windmilling engine, which is not a good idea. Would also create quite a lot of additional drag, perhaps to the point where it would negate any fuelsavings. Never heard of it, and I flew the bird for 5 years.

If we lost a donk during flight (never happened to me btw) our SOP would be to proceed to neareast suitable alternate.



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User currently offlinecf6ppe From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14208 times:

Quoting quickmover (Reply 8):
Could a 727 fly on one engine?

A B727 either -100 or -200 on one engine could extend the glide distance, or course more glide extension the lighter the aircraft. But, even in a ferry configuration, it couldn't maintain altitude single engine. Also, you had only one chance for a landing and it had to be spot on.

The airline I worked for way back used to do B727 two engine ferrys. For a two engine ferry, both of the runnable engines had to pass a special inspection - screens, BSI, etc. - and not be on a maintenance watch list. However, they made at least one single engine landing that I am aware of and maybe a second (memory fade).


User currently offlinerichiemo From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13900 times:

This thread brings a tear to my eye. How I miss the 72. I always debate to myself; what really was the greatest looking plane ever. L1011 is up there, as is the DC 10 and 757. But in the end, the combo of the three holes right in a traingle and that large vertical stabilizer. Magnificent.

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13684 times:

Quoting bigbird (Reply 9):
DL also used to fly a 727-95 daily nonstop from ATL -SAN.

That's a former-NE bird might I ad.

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 10):
I flew a National 727-35 redeye non-stop from LAX to FLL in Sep. '79. I don't recall if they operated it non-stop westbound or not.

IIRC, National (the original, of course) had a slogan in its pre-SunKing logo/livery days that stated that they flew Coast-to-Coast-to-Coast in reference to its northeast-southeast-southwest transcon flights. I believe they used 727s to accomplish this at the time.



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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13677 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 10):
I flew a National 727-35 redeye non-stop from LAX to FLL in Sep. '79. I don't recall if they operated it non-stop westbound or not.

Interesting!

721 and 722 have same flying range?



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User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13677 times:

Quoting swabrian (Reply 7):
Northeast flew 727-95s nonstop from MIA to LAX--word had it that they had received permission to shut #2 down during flight to reduce fuel burn

I'm sorry but I cannot see the FAA giving permission to shut down an engine with pax on board on a daily basis merely to get from point A to point B non stop..
The fact is the Yellowbirds stopped at Houston for fuel.

Take that last sentance to the bank.
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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3012 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13592 times:
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There's a thread in Tech/Ops discussing the same topic already:

727-200/Adv Range Performance? (by Tango-Bravo Mar 18 2010 in Tech Ops)

Please continue discussion there. I will now lock this thread.

Any additional posts that are made to this thread after this post will be removed for housekeeping purposes, as this may happen due to a short system lag.

[Edited 2010-03-22 13:07:55]


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