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User currently offlinemaxter From Australia, joined May 2009, 222 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 35672 times:

Not sure if these have been on a thread here. If they have, my apologies and could mods please remove, but some interesting photos nonetheless...

http://www.theage.com.au/photogaller...reamliner-rival/20100322-qpq4.html

Cheers,


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User currently offlineUA933 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 35174 times:

2-4-2 in Y? I just hope that 9 abreast seating will be possible or it'll be a 'typical' airbus


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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 34954 times:

That flight deck is freaking awesome!  Wow!

User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 34845 times:

Quoting UA933 (Reply 1):
2-4-2 in Y? I just hope that 9 abreast seating will be possible or it'll be a 'typical' airbus

I'd take a "typical" 2-4-2 airbus over 9 abreast or worse yet 10 on a 777!


User currently offlineepa001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4704 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 34801 times:
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Quoting UA933 (Reply 1):
2-4-2 in Y? I just hope that 9 abreast seating will be possible or it'll be a 'typical' airbus

If 3-3-3 is possible in an A330/A340 (very uncomfortable imho), it surely can be done in the fuselage of the A350-XWB! Although 2-4-2 in the A350-XWB could even be roomier then the very comfortable 2-5-2 or 3-3-3 seating arrangements on the B777.   But not many airlines will outfit their A350's with 2-4-2.  

The pictures show a very nice interior where especially the size of the overhead bins is remarkable.


User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 34775 times:

Quoting UA933 (Reply 1):
2-4-2 in Y? I just hope that 9 abreast seating will be possible or it'll be a 'typical' airbus

Are you a masochist ?



Avoid 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y ! They are real sardine cans. (AF/KL for example)
User currently offlineflyingAY From Finland, joined Jun 2007, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 34754 times:

Quoting tayser (Reply 3):
I'd take a "typical" 2-4-2 airbus over 9 abreast or worse yet 10 on a 777!

However, the A350XWB will see 3-3-3 configuration for most of the operators... But I guess 2-4-2 configuration looks nicer in the marketing material.  

Actually 3-3-3 is possible on an A330 already, as proven by AirAsiaX.


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 34245 times:

Quoting flyingAY (Reply 6):
Actually 3-3-3 is possible on an A330 already, as proven by AirAsiaX.

And by Air Transat and Air Caraibes. The latter has already announced 10-abreast for its future A350's.   

Quoting epa001 (Reply 4):
not many airlines will outfit their A350's with 2-4-2.

Only for Economy Plus you could see 2-4-2. Standard Y will be 3-3-3.



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User currently offlineSRT75 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 34084 times:

Bigger overhead bins! Now that's an idea that is long overdue as everyone now tries to take all their luggage onboard to avoid baggage fees. Maybe this will eliminate the inevitable delays of people trying to cram oversized bags into every last nook and cranny and then complaining when (gasp) they ahve to gate-check their bag because they were the last people onboard.

User currently offlineparapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1548 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 33706 times:

The vertical (sideways) packing of standard carry on bags (illustrated) is essential for the future so it's good to see Airbus understands this.However (off thread) it is the A320 or it's replacement that must be able to repeat the trick.For shorthaul it's absolutly esential in the future.There is an active discussion on other threads about 320/737 replacements vs Bombardier.No one yet (I believe) has pointed out this huge shortcomming of the Canadian aircraft.In Europe you now get "hammered" for hold luggage.Consumers would scream "foul" if an aircraft that essentially made it impossible not to use the hold was introduced.

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 33705 times:

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 8):
Bigger overhead bins!

This has been the trend ever since bins have been introduced. Compare the 737NG bins with 737-200 for example. Or the 737Classic even. Or the 744 bins compared to 743 and 772. Each new generation also has bigger bins. Somehow, they keep finding room for bigger bins!



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User currently offlineUA933 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 33502 times:

Quoting TGV (Reply 5):
Are you a masochist ?

Just thinking of the money... And a 777 is very roomy with 9 abreast seating



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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 31640 times:

Quoting UA933 (Reply 11):
Just thinking of the money... And a 777 is very roomy with 9 abreast seating

The A350XWB will seat nine abreast more comfortably than the 777 seats 10 abreast. However, the 777 has is already being outfitted in 10 abreast which helps its economics, whereas I'm not sure yet if the A350XWB will seat 10 abreast for a while-and BTW the 787 can seat 9 abreast which will help its economics vs. the A330/A35XWB. I'm not sure why Airbus didn't go a little wider for a little more versatility. It seems they want to replace both the A330/A340 as well as the 777 family in one aircraft family.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30565 posts, RR: 84
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 31542 times:
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Quoting Kappel (Reply 10):
Each new generation also has bigger bins. Somehow, they keep finding room for bigger bins!

  

The 787 bins have the same capacity and even the 747-8 bins look roomy based on the cabin mock-up.


User currently onlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 29401 times:

Well, we know reality:
777 of SQ has 9 abreast - and it feels good but costs more expensive .
Air France 777 (or any other airline) 10 abreast layout feels cramped - but costs cheaper.

Same will apply to Airbus 350.


User currently offlineRes6cue114 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 29259 times:

One of the bins has 5 bags in it. What is the max weight limit for these bins? If each bag was around 20 pounds, I hope the person closing the bin is pretty strong!


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User currently offlinetistpaa727 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 324 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 29169 times:

Holy cr&p Batman, that cockpit is amazing   

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 14):
Well, we know reality:
777 of SQ has 9 abreast - and it feels good but costs more expensive .
Air France 777 (or any other airline) 10 abreast layout feels cramped - but costs cheaper.

Same will apply to Airbus 350.

Such a shame because they layout shown in the pics is great, just too bad it won't actually happen for the majority of airlines.

Thanks for sharing the link!



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 28872 times:

Quoting Res6cue114 (Reply 15):
If each bag was around 20 pounds, I hope the person closing the bin is pretty strong!

The bins likely have a mechanism assisting the closing of the bins. I remember seeing something like this in a documentary about the a380.

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 14):
Same will apply to Airbus 350.

The a350 is designed to have 9 abreast in Y. It is narrower than the 777, so only charter airlines or LCC's will have 10 abreast (just as is the case with the a330/a340 right now). Eight abreast is definately Y+ only.



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User currently offlineAirbusA370 From Germany, joined Dec 2008, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 28043 times:

Quoting UA933 (Reply 1):
2-4-2 in Y? I just hope that 9 abreast seating will be possible or it'll be a 'typical' airbus

The mock-up shown is pretty old and shows actually the non-XWB version of the A350, which had the same fuselage diameter than A300/330/340. The XWB fuselage has 9 abreast as "standard", whereas some airlines asked Airbus for a 10 abreast layout. Time will show if this is possible...

[Edited 2010-03-23 09:41:23]

User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 27665 times:

One of the bins has 5 bags in it. What is the max weight

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 12):
The A350XWB will seat nine abreast more comfortably than the 777 seats 10 abreast.

Since the 777 in 10 abreast is unbearable, being "more comfortable" than a 10 abreast 777 is not very appealing in my opinion.

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 14):
777 of SQ has 9 abreast - and it feels good but costs more expensive .
Air France 777 (or any other airline) 10 abreast layout feels cramped - but costs cheaper.

In fact most 777 are in 9 abreast, even if the bad trend of AF is spreading (very sneakily since airlines do not advertise the decrease in comfort when passing from 9 to 10).

Is AF really cheaper? Difficult to say without doing extensive research, but this may only show that they need to lower prices to keep attracting customers who become more and more aware of the lack of comfort (even non frequent flyers).

Future will tell, what is sure is that, in my case, AF has lost in average 1 long haul flight per month since the beginning of 2009, flights that I have flown with CX, BA and LH.



Avoid 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y ! They are real sardine cans. (AF/KL for example)
User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 26910 times:

Quoting AirbusA370 (Reply 18):
The XWB fuselage has 9 abreast as "standard", whereas some airlines asked Airbus for a 10 abreast layout. Time will show if this is possible...

That should prove to be interesting. The A350XWB cabin is only 5.1 inches wider than the 787, yet it's 11 inches narrower than the 777. Without a major redesign in seats and interiors of airplanes, I don't see how 10 abreast will work inside the A350XWB.   



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30565 posts, RR: 84
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 26356 times:
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Quoting EA772LR (Reply 20):
That should prove to be interesting. The A350XWB cabin is only 5.1 inches wider than the 787, yet it's 11 inches narrower than the 777. Without a major redesign in seats and interiors of airplanes, I don't see how 10 abreast will work inside the A350XWB.

Per Airbus' presentations, at nine-abreast the A350XWB offers 17.5 inches width in seat and back cushions. In charter configuration, a block of three seats on the A330 measure 57 inches from seat edge to seat edge with 19" aisles.

I don't know what the minimum aisle width is, but I'll guess it's at least 17 inches (based on the 777 in 10-abreast). So if they take one inch out of each seat and two inches out of each aisle, that would recover 13 inches, leaving them needing to find another 3.5 inches. If they reduce the armrest from 2 inches to 1.70 inches, that would take care of it.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 26183 times:

Quoting tayser (Reply 3):
2-4-2 in Y? I just hope that 9 abreast seating will be possible or it'll be a 'typical' airbus

I'd take a "typical" 2-4-2 airbus over 9 abreast or worse yet 10 on a 777!

Looking at that photo showing the 2-4-2, it seems to be looking towards the back of the Y cabin, where the fuselage would taper off to a 2-4-2 (just as current A330/340 cockpits taper off to 2-3-2); it's just happens to be where they shot the "photo".


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8864 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 26017 times:

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 20):
That should prove to be interesting. The A350XWB cabin is only 5.1 inches wider than the 787, yet it's 11 inches narrower than the 777. Without a major redesign in seats and interiors of airplanes, I don't see how 10 abreast will work inside the A350XWB.

Is 10 abreast necessary ? The A330 killed the 777-200 without being as wide.



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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 25780 times:

One of the bins has 5 bags in it. What is the max weight

Quoting UA933 (Reply 1):
2-4-2 in Y? I just hope that 9 abreast seating will be possible or it'll be a 'typical' airbus
Quoting Zeke (Reply 23):
Is 10 abreast necessary ? The A330 killed the 777-200 without being as wide.

He he  Wow!
Take cover Zeke.


25 474218 : I couldn't find any "photos" just artist renderings (drawings)?
26 pylon101 : AF is cheaper compared to SQ. I was searching for MOW - SIN options in January: the difference was quite dramatic. And who won? Sure thing EMIRATES.
27 EA772LR : I think it's necessary in a comparison between the 77W and 3510, where an additional row of passengers in the 77W could help it's economics.
28 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ....well, millions of pax who fly AF, EK, etc. basically disagree with you... ....EK was the first....the trend started back in the 1990's... ....ost
29 Zeke : Boeing is obviously worried, they have now pitched the list price of the 77W between the A350-900, and the A350-1000, and the 77L between the A350-80
30 airproxx : I've always noticed a lot of your irrelevent, useless and often insultant comments concerning AF, wich company doesn't seem to have any of your sympa
31 Zeke : More economic at operating medium haul routes than the 772, still see new customers for the A330, rare to see of a new customer for the 772, I cannot
32 Jacobin777 : If we look at B772A/B77E models, its sold >523...it served its purpose. As we know, many of the A330's such as QF, SQ are on lease until other pla
33 Stitch : I cannot find a Press Release noting a list price change (be it increase or decrease) from Boeing, so I am therefore left with the opinion that Airbus
34 ZRH : Everybody who flies a 10 abreast 777 or a 9 abreast 330/340 is a masochist. It is absolutely unbearable. Actually every economy class of any airline
35 pylon101 : I wouldn't like to break into inter-French discussions. But there is something wrong here: look at Moscow-Paris route - it's completely monopolized b
36 EA772LR : I wouldn't say worried. They've got their eye on Airbus no doubt. Boeing is waiting for something more defined from Airbus regarding the A350-1000XWB
37 Post contains images Jacobin777 : .....but you have to admit, 10-across a B777 or 9-across an A330 has excellent CASM... I've flown in cattle on EK's B777's....its not too bad.....
38 RJ111 : All economy seats are unbearable for more than 6 hours. The sadder departure comes from the fact that we're going to lose that lovely 2-4-2 formation.
39 Post contains images EA772LR : I think most have gone to 3-3-3 for AVOD or IFE. 2-5-2 is nice if you have one of the 2 sides. Hell why we're at making the A350 10 abreast, let's go
40 2707200X : The windows on the A350XWB look shorter than those that appear on the 787 but look wider.
41 Post contains images overloaduk : Have you ever tried sitting on a TCX 767 for 2 hours trust me its bad and im only 5" 7
42 AA777223 : AA! I hear UA is there too. The few times I've had to fly coach on one of those birds, the exit row on the 2 seat sides was pretty comfortable, espec
43 Post contains links TGV : Yes, but here you compare a direct flight with a flight with a connection. Direct flights are usually more expensive. Now comparing AF and EK makes s
44 aircellist : If overhead bins are larger and seats are narrower, then I will really feel like self-loading cargo...
45 tdscanuck : Except it's not like they're the first ones to think of it...it's been in place for at least 4 years, maybe more. Max weight is usually on a placard
46 Post contains images MoltenRock : The interior and amenities will be great, and I can't wait to fly one of the new aircraft. It should be every bit as nice as the 787 once she gets int
47 airproxx : Ok, I know this is not the main subject of the thread, so I'll try to be quick. Every single time I come across your comments, it's always full of re
48 DLDTW1962 : From what I have just seen. I love it. The only thing is, I don't think the economy class seats look all the comfy. Other wise a nice aircraft. Chuck
49 AirIndia : airproxx, you seem perfect candidate for a PR job at AF. However, if TGV feels like sharing his/her opinion, it is perfectly fine. afterall a.net is a
50 Zeke : As far as I am aware, neither the SQ group, or the QF group will be getting rid of their A330s at the instant "other planes arrive". Just like SQ has
51 DocLightning : So did anyone notice that every window has an LED border around the frame? How did they justify that kind of complexity?
52 Post contains images PM : I don't fly as often as you but last year I was looking for an interesting way to fly back to Europe. My interest in an Austrian flight from NRT to V
53 TGV : You are right. Probably because most of them have a limited experience of flying, and/or do not care (when you fly once a year for your holidays, the
54 Post contains images EA772LR : That's hilarious! Fair enough, well taken So I believe the best thing for Boeing to do with the 77W is increase range and/or payload at current range
55 Post contains images Jacobin777 : 3-5-3 on a B777'.... I certainly agree on that but the point is that a carrier such as SQ wants to replace their planes as quick as possible. How man
56 474218 : You do realize that those are artist conceptions and not real pictures?
57 Post contains links and images DocLightning : This is directly from A's website. They still show the lighting border around each window. Artist's conception it might be, but it's on A's website a
58 Stitch : I notice the seats have LED "pin striping", as well.
59 Post contains images EA772LR : That's a gorgeous mock-up Now if only the final product could look so good!
60 Post contains images PM : Which, of course, is the point Zeke was making in reply #31 and to which you replied (#32) by citing sales of the 777-200ER. So we agree?! I'm not en
61 tdscanuck : A very large part of that is due to the fact that there is no earthly reason to order a -200 once the -200ER was available. Tom.
62 Stitch : And improvements from the 1993 EIS A330-300 to today's A330-300E/X have allowed the model to enter market segments where previously one required an A
63 PM : I find that unconvincing. You are suggesting that Boeing lost 777-200 sales not to the A330-300 but to the 777-200ER. Implicitly, why buy a 777-200 w
64 tdscanuck : Mostly, yes. Some were obviously lost to the A330-300, but the precipitous drop in -200 sales were matched by an equally precipitous jump in -200ER s
65 Post contains images PM : Which is pretty much my point. In much the same way, Airbus originally optimised the A330-300 and the A340-300 for different missions. My problem wit
66 Post contains images maxter : What an interesting discussion, thanks gents for your insights. Amazing where a couple of photo's from a news site can lead you Cheers,
67 rheinwaldner : If the A333 would not exist for medium ranges, what would the customers have bought instead ... more 772ER's or 772's? 772's! And that's the point! T
68 Stitch : They arguably could have gone either way. At 540t TOW and a 45t payload, the 772 and 77E have pretty much identical performance (4000nm) so I'm not s
69 CRJ 900 : Im not a big fan of that cockpit display layout. Those outboard displays are too close to the PFD. Would prefer to see them laid out similar to the A3
70 tdscanuck : I didn't imply that at all. It's factually untrue. What is true is that the -200ER came later, and removed essentially all demand for the -200. They
71 Post contains images PM : Which is why I wrote: Boeing delivered the first -200ER just 21 months after the first -200 and, by your own admission, they planned at least these t
72 tdscanuck : Pretty much...it's exactly the same story as the 787-3. You provide the airplane your launch customer(s) want, and you build in what you need to make
73 Post contains images PM : A pretty strained analogy but probably the best you could do in the circumstances. So Boeing needed to launch the 787-3 so that it could be developed
74 Post contains images AustrianZRH : Have you added a 2nd deck on top of the existing 777 fuselage ? I think the take off weight should rather be 540 klbs or 244 t, which would make more
75 maxter : I'm interested in why you would not be a fan, is it for ergonomic or aesthetic reasons? What is the issue with them being too close to the PFD? I'm n
76 Stitch : I wonder if there is a way for the mod's to split these posts off? They're not relevant to the actual thread, but they are informative and civil so I'
77 Post contains images PM : Your argument or reality? Bottom line: You are saying that Boeing saw no need to offer a bespoke model for the market that the A330-300 was aimed at
78 Stitch : All the talk about "abusing" a 777-200ER on an A-market mission is possibly incorrect, as the 777-200ER is probably the more economic platform even t
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