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Delta's 9th B-777LR Enroute To ATL Today  
User currently offlineFFlyerWorld From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 335 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 16809 times:

Delta today proudly welcomes their 9th B777LR to their fleet with the arrival of the aircraft from PAE.

Track now at http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...2/history/20100323/1615Z/KPAE/KATL

The 10th 777LR due later this month or early April. Question will remain if Delta will purchase more of these long range liners (est. 27 options) or will choose something else OR do nothing for awhile (which they have made reference to in the past.)

N709DN in new Delta paint ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z0TXh8vF4I

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15828 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 16798 times:

Quoting FFlyerWorld (Thread starter):
Question will remain if Delta will purchase more of these long range liners (est. 27 options)

I would be inclined to think not, unless they convert their orders to 787-9s.



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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1895 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 16599 times:

I think they will take delivery of some more to replace some B767(772) and probably some B747.....do they have any B773??

what routes are the772LR flying??


User currently offlineAZA330 From Italy, joined Feb 2004, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 16458 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 2):
what routes are the772LR flying??

I know one of them should be ATL-JNB and also LAX-SYD may get a 77L

[Edited 2010-03-23 11:56:52]

User currently offlineFFlyerWorld From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 16448 times:

They have no 773's currently.

Delta uses( or will be using) 777LR on following:

ATL - JNB
ATL - DXB
ATL - TLV (occasionally)
ATL - LAX (on to SYD)
LAX - SYD
ATL - FRA (summer)
ATL - DTW (on to HKG)
DTW - HKG
ATL - NRT (summer)

More fleet type swaps coming.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21580 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 16263 times:

That was fast. The 77L fleet now outnumbers the 77E fleet. I remember when people were questioning the logic of buying the 77L because it would be a "sub fleet" using different engines. In reality, the 77Es they have now will be the subfleet, and my guess is they will be phased out and sold to cargo convertors once 787s and/or A350s come into the fleet.


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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1895 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 16209 times:

Quoting FFlyerWorld (Reply 4):
ATL - FRA (summer)

I guess rest of the year is B767, right??

Altought FRA sound a bit closer for such a plane.......


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4970 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 16166 times:
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ATL-FRA on the 77L is only for Apr 7 - May 31. For the rest of the summr, it will be a 77E.

User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 16092 times:

My favorite plane. I hope DL takes on several more of these and converts their 788 orders into 789 orders. Long live the DL 77Ls!    There's nothing on the horizon that can match the 77L for performance.   
The baddest of them all...777-200LR



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21580 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 15982 times:

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 8):
My favorite plane.

If only the J seats weren't so uncomfortable for tall people sitting up.

But I've been on the 77L now twice on DL, and will again next month, all on the LAX-ATL segment. I love being able to fly in one of the most modern, powerful aircraft every built on a near-transcon. I don't mind transcons on 757s or old 767s, but being in a brand spanking new, real widebody aircraft on a domestic route is still a rare treat these days.

Oh for the days of the DC10s and TriStars flying domestically...  



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User currently offlineFFlyerWorld From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 15874 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 6):
I guess rest of the year is B767, right??

Has been an A330-200 lately and will end this Friday - and on Saturday March 27th - begins with a 767-400 til the 777LR is in/out of market as stated above.


User currently offlineDELTA7478 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 15797 times:

I think that with in five years they will add more 777-200ERs and maybe 5 to 10more 77LRs to replace the aging 767 that we have in our fleet. I love the 777, I just wish we had more.

User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21580 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 15726 times:

Quoting DELTA7478 (Reply 11):
I think that with in five years they will add more 777-200ERs and maybe 5 to 10more 77LRs to replace the aging 767 that we have in our fleet. I love the 777, I just wish we had more.

They have 23 77L options but no 77E options. It's unlikely they would add any more 77Es to the fleet. It would be more likely they would add A330s to run the routes that need the capacity of the 77E but not the range of the 77L, as the 77L is more efficient than the 77E on routes over 4000nm (IIRC), and A330s are more efficient on shorter routes.



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User currently offlineDELTA7478 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 15642 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 12):

They have 23 77L options but no 77E options. It's unlikely they would add any more 77Es to the fleet. It would be more likely they would add A330s to run the routes that need the capacity of the 77E but not the range of the 77L, as the 77L is more efficient than the 77E on routes over 4000nm (IIRC), and A330s are more efficient on shorter routes.



I think you right, get more A330 to replace the 767-300 and 300ERs and down the road get the 777-300ER to replace the 747-400s or the 747-800, that woud be great.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15828 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 15629 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 12):
They have 23 77L options but no 77E options.

They could probably change the options to whatever 777 variant they want without much trouble.



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User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 15542 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 12):
It's unlikely they would add any more 77Es to the fleet.

I could see them adding some cheap secondhand 77Es, if they came available.


User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 15346 times:

How many 77Ls will DL take? Here's N710DN from Matt Cawby's site:

http://paineairport.com/kpae2816.htm



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User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 971 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 15334 times:
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N710DN is currently the last one on order, but there are multiple options still available as noted above.

User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21580 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14314 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 15):
I could see them adding some cheap secondhand 77Es, if they came available.

For what reason? I'm not sure I understand why they would.

With 77L and A330s in the fleet and 787s coming later, it makes little sense for DL to add any more 77Es. Again, they are heavy for what they do when compared to the 77L, which does it better at longer ranges, and the A333, which does it better on shorter trips.

Airlines like BA and CO continue to take 77Es in small numbers because they don't fly 77Ls or A333s at all. Had DL bought NW, I might agree that they would take 77Es if available, but now that they have an A330 fleet, there's no reason to do so for any commonality purposes. The 77L and A330 fleets are already larger...



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User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13936 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 18):
For what reason? I'm not sure I understand why they would.

Why not? They already have a fleet of 77Es, so it's not like they'd be adding a subfleet. You act like Delta is unhappy with the 77Es. It could be an easy way to add international capacity rather quickly..international flying seems to be the only profitable flying out there today. If your argument held true, why deos Delta keep acquiring MD90s when they have the more capable 738s and A320/319s? As the MD90s (and for that matter, the old TWA 757s) are an example, Delta is not afraid to purchase older, second hand aircraft that still have life in them if the price is right. I'm not saying it's likely, but if some 77Es come available for cheap, I still believe Delta would swipe them up quickly.


User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2135 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13898 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 18):
Had DL bought NW, I might agree that they would take 77Es if available...

Is there a typo in that statement ? Otherwise I'm not sure I understand.

Quoting FFlyerWorld (Thread starter):
The 10th 777LR due later this month or early April.

I hope Boeing are able to count the tenth 77L delivery in this fiscal quarter.



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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13689 times:

Check out this video from N709DN's first flight. That's about a 22 second takeoff roll.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ3pH2bkw_E&NR=1



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21580 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13623 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 20):
Is there a typo in that statement ? Otherwise I'm not sure I understand.

Yes. Missing a not.

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 19):
Why not?

I keep explaining why not.

Of the 77E and 77L on longer missions, the 77E is the less efficient aircraft. It requires more fuel and/or can carry less cargo on the same trip.

Of the A333 or 77E on shorter missions, the 77E is the less efficient aircraft. It carries around a lot more dead weight and uses more fuel per seat mile. It can carry more cargo as the mission length increases, but then it gets into the 77L sweet spot, where it might outperform the A333, but it, again, loses out to the 77L.



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2461 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13584 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 20):
Is there a typo in that statement ? Otherwise I'm not sure I understand.

What he is trying to say is that NW got a hell of a deal for DL...  


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15828 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13538 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 18):

The two reasons why DL would buy secondhand 77Es are availability and price. The catch is that they would probably bring planes back from the desert first if those were issues.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 21):

Those things will really move if they aren't loaded down. A short body with the wings and engines from a larger sibling will almost always yied awesome performance.



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25 klkla : There will be no more A330's - if they need lift in that performance category they might as well take their 787's. There is no reason to take more A33
26 ManekS : + NRT-SIN (From June to September)
27 dbo861 : Well..77Ls and A333s are also expensive to acquire brand new, and don't forget the long backlogs on both Boeing and Airbus' order books. I'm only sug
28 laca773 : It would be great if DL upgauged their LAX-NRT flight from the 332 to a 77L even if it's just from a competitive standpoint. This will definitely put
29 mayor : Later this week, from what I hear.
30 United Airline : Wonder if we will see HKG-ATL soon
31 kaitak744 : DL would be a very good customer for used EK and SQ RR-powered 777-200ERs.
32 deltal1011man : very likely used ERs will be bought All options are 777 options. Ok, the 73N and 320 fleets are both larger yet DL is buying M90s as fast as they can
33 IcelandairMSP : Where does this logic originate? Clearly the 77E has an advantage in terms of range, but for TATL routes, it's fairly moot unless their being pushed
34 rwSEA : No. I would expect daily service from DTW first, followed by service from JFK, LAX, or SEA before ATL. DL has tried several far east destinations fro
35 757ops : Why no 777 on the ATL-LHR flight? That 767-400 is always full! It needs more capactiy! Also why does this flight operate out of LHR so late, meaning t
36 Mudboy : What is the Reg# on the new one? I fly DXB-ATL next week and maybe I will get on te new one? I love the 777LR. I will be flying ATL-LAX on it as well,
37 worldtraveler : Before the 77LRs began arriving, DL was flying its 8 ERs harder (more hours per day) and further (longer flights) than any other airline on average. T
38 dlphoenix : In DL's configuration the A333 seats 34J/264Y and has an empty weight in the vicinity of 275,000 lbs. The 77E seats 50J/218Y with an empty weight of
39 ikramerica : I only agree on price, not availability. It takes time to acquire a second hand aircraft, put it through rehab and refitting, etc. It also costs mone
40 BMI727 : I don't know what kind of delivery slots they have for their options, but you definitely might be right.
41 ikramerica : Also forgot that many used 77Es are older tech, lower range models. They would require engine replacement and recertification at the higher MTOW to be
42 Post contains images deltal1011man : let me stop you right now, Delta doesn't really use the 77ER(or LR) to Europe. ATL-FRA will be a 777 this summer just because they have no where to s
43 CZECH380 : Thank you for saying this. I was very discouraged to see them take away the second daily flight from LAX-NRT market this summer. I live in LA and tra
44 AAFLT1871 : How would that put them ahead of AA and UA?
45 CZECH380 : I think what he meant was that it would put them ahead in terms of a quality of a product in both J and Y. UA is still using old 777 business class s
46 centrair : With some increases in 744 usage as well as the upgrading of the aircrafts, could we see swaps of 777s on certain routes? ie... DTW-HKG High Season 74
47 Post contains images laca773 : . Thank you and you're welcome CZECH380! AAFLT1871, DL has upgraded their J product beyond what UA & AA have on offer. The catering alone puts th
48 AAFLT1871 : I think you read more into my question then I intended you to do so. I was asking a simple question, no hidden agendas on my end. No reason to get de
49 laca773 : Hey Rob, my apologies for coming off defensive. That was not my intent. As I'm sure you know, one has to defend and back up their comments when it co
50 CZECH380 : A 330-300 has 298 seats and B77L has 276 - so you are right, they do have less seats, i did not realize that. Why are they going from 403 seat B747 d
51 PIEAvantiP180 : Acording to WidgetHeads 10th 777LR was delivered to DL tooday and it flew to SEA to fly SEA-ATL tomorrow.
52 deltal1011man : I have a feeling it has to do with HND.......
53 laca773 : They had plans on operating a daily 332 and a second four weekly 77L. Plans for the second flight have been dropped for the time being. I seem DL re-
54 CZECH380 : Well, they need to bring the 77L back. The capacity of A330 is not going to be enough...... They need to bring in more seats, get the market back.
55 BayAreaBlue : Aircraft arrived here yesterday and was parked next to the Delta hangar.....was still there this morning.
56 mayor : I believe the one you are referring to was #9. #10 was not to leave SEA until today.
57 Post contains links WestWing : Here's #10 flying SEA to ATL on Flightaware. Edited to add: It appears that the reason that #10 went to SEA is because the SEA to ATL flight today is
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