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SJC Snags Volaris Airlines  
User currently offlineSJC30L From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 59 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

Things are looking up a bit for SJC. New daily service SJC-GDL:
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/s...ess+Journal%29&utm_content=Twitter

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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4011 times:

Quoting SJC30L (Thread starter):
Things are looking up a bit for SJC. New daily service SJC-GDL:
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/s...itter

..........whoooohoooo! Finally some other international carrier coming in.....  

That being said, it will compete with MX's SJC-GDL flight as well...interesting...  

From the article..

"and reducing or eliminating the free shuttle bus service connecting the airport with a light rail stop along North First Street provided by the Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority, which costs the airport $1.2 million a year."

What are they smoking? Do they realize how many pax they will lose? There are tons of pax who use the VTA to get to/from SJC.....the free shuttle is a vital part of it. There is basically no way a pax can get to the VTA without the shuttle.....  

One good move and yet another idiotic move by the SJC Airport management...first these buffoons didn't have a new observation deck put in, now this.....



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User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 3861 times:

Any news on new Chicago (presumably MDW) service, which they applied for at the same time as SJC? Also, has Volaris already dropped OAK-TIJ?


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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3729 times:
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Good to see that Volaris is expanding US service and SJC is the most recent winner.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 2):
Also, has Volaris already dropped OAK-TIJ?

According to the Volaris website, it appears so.


User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

hopefully that's it for California and they turn their attention to Chicago, Houston, Phoenix or somewhere Florida.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 1):
That being said, it will compete with MX's SJC-GDL flight as well...interesting

this should be a good match up. Mexico's two healthies airlines going at eachother


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 1):
What are they smoking? Do they realize how many pax they will lose? There are tons of pax who use the VTA to get to/from SJC.....the free shuttle is a vital part of it. There is basically no way a pax can get to the VTA without the shuttle.....

There are? Those shuttles look awfully empty every time I see them in SJC. In fact, most of that light rail isn't used much (from what I've seen).


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 884 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3486 times:
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Felicidades Volaris!

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 1):
There is basically no way a pax can get to the VTA without the shuttle.....

Doesn't the #10 bus go to Downtown SJ and to the Santa Clara Caltrain station?

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 4):
this should be a good match up. Mexico's two healthies airlines going at eachother

Think MX will match Volaris fare?



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User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 6):
Think MX will match Volaris fare?

I don't think they'll match Volaris' fares, Mexicana has a superior product and fan base that goes back many, many years in California.

Aeromexico has never been able to beat Mexicana in California, I don't think Volaris will either.


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3352 times:
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Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 7):
don't think they'll match Volaris' fares, Mexicana has a superior product and fan base that goes back many, many years in California.

While I do agree with you to an extent, Volaris is doing extremely well @ LAX and will be adding additional destinations from there in the near future.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 5):
There are? Those shuttles look awfully empty every time I see them in SJC. In fact, most of that light rail isn't used much (from what I've seen).

.... I'm not saying those buses are packed to the gills (lol), but every time I've taken the #10, there were always a few people on board.

I think what they should do is use a smaller and more energy efficient bus.

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 6):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 1):
There is basically no way a pax can get to the VTA without the shuttle.....

Doesn't the #10 bus go to Downtown SJ and to the Santa Clara Caltrain station?

You are correct to a certain extent. As strange as it sounds, there are actually 2-#10's. One does the "loop" ( VTA to SJC and back to the VTA) and the other does the parking and Santa Clara Caltrain Station.....The sign on the front of the bus gives its direction.



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User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

Crucero runs two busses a day from Fresno to TIJ which are marketed as the Volaris Shuttle. MX continues to do well in Fresno with their nightly flight to GDL. I'd wonder if Volaris would look at coming into FAT and challenging MX or opening up another option.

BTW, Aeromexico runs a similar shuttle into the San Joaquin Valley as well..


User currently offlineN53614 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

...and, of course, the Volaris flight is going to show up in horrid light. Oh well, beggars can't be choosers...any new service at SJC is welcome.


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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2989 times:
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Is this flight going to be a red-eye?
I wish Volaris & SJC the best of luck with this new service. I'm hoping it works well for them.
MX does very well @ SJC and with that in mind, I feel there can be two carriers in this market.
How are MX's loads these days out of SJC? Do they still operate MLM?


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 884 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2928 times:
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Quoting laca773 (Reply 12):
Is this flight going to be a red-eye?


12:30 pm departure. MX currently departs at 10:45am

Loads on MX have been heavy when I've taken them, but always a seat to Non Rev

MLM is weekends only....redeye.

Saludos,

Tomas



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 2):
Any news on new Chicago (presumably MDW) service, which they applied for at the same time as SJC? Also, has Volaris already dropped OAK-TIJ?

On the Mexican thread they said it wasn't happening b/c MDW has no immigration facilities. I don't know if they are considering ORD.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6793 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 14):
On the Mexican thread they said it wasn't happening b/c MDW has no immigration facilities.

That wouldn't be a reason for MDW to not happen; it does have customs & immigration facilities. They're being used by Porter, since YTZ doesn't have U.S. preclearance.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25741 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Should not be a surprise.
This was revealed last month when Y4 applied for GDL-SJC and Chicago with the DOT.

Volaris Applies For GDL-SJC & Chicago (by LAXintl Feb 12 2010 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineAeolus From Mexico, joined Aug 2007, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

You should also check: Snake & Eagle - Mexican Aviation Thread 3 Being discussed there also.
No word on MDW/ORD though...

-Aeolus



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2641 times:
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Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 13):
12:30 pm departure. MX currently departs at 10:45am

Loads on MX have been heavy when I've taken them, but always a seat to Non Rev

MLM is weekends only....redeye.

Thanks for the information, Tomas! I apreciate it. How do the MLM flights do?
I was thinking Y4 would possibly do a redeye as those flights do very well to Mexico & Central America.


User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 15):

That wouldn't be a reason for MDW to not happen; it does have customs & immigration facilities. They're being used by Porter, since YTZ doesn't have U.S. preclearance.

Don't forget that ATA and Mexicana both served Mexico from MDW in the not-so-distant past; in fact, ATA flew the MDW-GDL route IIRC. I always thought that F9 could pick up the MDW-CUN route after ATA's demise, but I suppose now they are probably more keen on flying to CUN from the new hub they just got right up the road in MKE. It's really too bad that all those routes TZ flew from MDW to Mexico and the Caribbean may never be flown again...

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 14):
I don't know if they are considering ORD.

No. Volaris wants to fly to airports where WN has [for all intents and purposes/all but in name] hubs, so that if/when the airlines begin their codeshare arrangements Volaris can capitalize on that airline's customer base and connecting traffic. This is why they are flying OAK and SJC instead of SFO, and have suggested FLL instead of MIA, and presumably MDW instead of ORD. I imagine PHX, LAS, and SAN are also being strongly considered for this reason. Even the likes of BWI, MCO, MCI, SAT, DEN, and SMF are probably on their radar. Houston would be the biggest obstacle, since I believe HOU has no customs facilities and Volaris would have to fly into IAH (which WN dropped years ago) to serve the all-important Houston market.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2545 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 2):
Any news on new Chicago (presumably MDW) service, which they applied for at the same time as SJC?

A recent article published on http://mx.invertia.com discussed that Volaris is eyeing Chicago, Houston and Ft. Lauderdale. I don't think we should expect an announcement too soon though.

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 6):
Think MX will match Volaris fare?

Doubt it. I do not think MX wants to engage in a fare war. Volaris is offering promotional fares because it is an unknown player and they want to build brand awareness. MX is kind of the official SJC-Mexico carrier, so they don't need to match fares.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 14):
On the Mexican thread they said it wasn't happening b/c MDW has no immigration facilities. I don't know if they are considering ORD.

Both TZ and MX had MDW-Mexico flights. Don't know if there are flights to CUN or other Mexican destinations from MDW currently, but I don't think facilities would be an issue for Volaris to launch MDW. If I am not mistaken, the post you are referring to in the Mexican Aviation Thread discussed how HOU does not have immigration/customs facilities and therefore if Volaris chooses to fly to Houston, it might as well be to IAH.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 2517 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 20):
Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 6):
Think MX will match Volaris fare?

Hmmm....I think MX will....that's been the modus operandi of legacy carries since deregulation...add a zillion flights to the route and match their fares...competitor is usually gone in a month or two

Sorry to dissapont you so quickly in your welcoming of me   



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 21):
Sorry to dissapont you so quickly in your welcoming of me

Lol, quite the contrary. It is always good to see different points of view. It is an interesting possibility. I just don't seem to recall MX doing that before, but I could very well be wrong.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
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