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Wind Causing DELAYS/CX'S @ JFK 24-MAR  
User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2902 posts, RR: 7
Posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Saw this pop up on my Facebook wall from B6, looks like the wind mixed with the runway closure is causing some big problems at JFK right now:

http://blog.hellojetblue.com/blog/in...puffing-could-blow-the-house-down/

I did notice a higher-than-usual number of departures on 31R this morning on my way in, didn't think anything of it until I booted up the computer though. Yikes...   

~H81


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User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2723 times:

Their prediction of single-runway ops only several times in 4 months was apparently quite wrong. This is the third time in three weeks I believe?

User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3627 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2672 times:

Yeh . . . they are predicting this tomorrow big time. Hundreds of cancellations expected

User currently offlineandyinpit From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2651 times:

there will be a ground delay program to start at 1pm (east coast) and plan on massive delays into JFK for the rest of the day

User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2651 times:

I was taking a look out of the conference room window and saw some arrivals on 4R with all the departures going out on 31R. As much as I know this is hurting the customers flying out of JFK...I have to admit I love seeing plane after plane take off right next to my hangar. I even took a few minutes, went down to the ramp and sat ontop of a vacant set of air stairs to watch the ops!


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33287 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days ago) and read 2626 times:

I took off on Monday night to LAX. After a nearly 2 hour delay we took off into what the pilot claimed were 140 knot wind gusts that made for one of the most turbulent take-offs I've ever experienced.


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User currently offlineandyinpit From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days ago) and read 2497 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
pilot claimed were 140 knot wind gusts

Those are like category 3 hurricane winds, doubt it was that high. But yes all of the east coast has been very windy the last few days here (BWI) we're starting to see it finally die down.

early prediction...this is going to be a bad summer for weather/delays


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33287 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Quoting andyinpit (Reply 6):

Those are like category 3 hurricane winds, doubt it was that high.

Indeed, they are. He mentioned that it was only around 20 knots at the lower altitudes - and indeed initial take off was smooth - but once we got up much higher, the gusts were very, very strong. The plane was really, really rocking.



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User currently offlinesaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
I took off on Monday night to LAX. After a nearly 2 hour delay we took off into what the pilot claimed were 140 knot wind gusts that made for one of the most turbulent take-offs I've ever experienced.

Any pilot who would talk to the passengers about taking off into 140 knot gusts needs to have his head examined. Upper level winds are frequently that high, or higher, and generally have little to do with turbulence.

Beyond all this, something seriously needs to be done about the airport situation in New York. When it gets even a bit windy (and today is not that windy, I checked) it becomes very irregular for no good reason. Same at LGA. Those two airports are too close together and conflict on days of anything other than light winds and clear skies.

The current situation and delays which result from it affect the entire US's air traffic negatively.



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User currently offlineAirportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3717 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Quoting saab2000 (Reply 8):
The current situation and delays which result from it affect the entire US's air traffic negatively.

its those darn airlines faults   

j/k!
(sad that i even have to say it)



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33287 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

Quoting saab2000 (Reply 8):
Any pilot who would talk to the passengers about taking off into 140 knot gusts needs to have his head examined. Upper level winds are frequently that high, or higher, and generally have little to do with turbulence.

Pilot mentioned it was the combination of the low-speed winds at lower levels and the high-speed winds at higher levels hitting each other that created the rocky ride. I'm not an expert on what creates turbulence, but it makes sense to me. Not sure why he would make up stories to the passengers.



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User currently offlinesaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Not sure why he would make up stories to the passengers.

I'm sure he's not making up the upper level winds being 140 knots. But too much talk like this can make passengers nervous and I try to avoid it on my airplanes. No overdramatization allowed!         



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineAAEXP From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 424 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

Quoting saab2000 (Reply 11):
I'm sure he's not making up the upper level winds being 140 knots. But too much talk like this can make passengers nervous and I try to avoid it on my airplanes. No overdramatization allowed!         

You know, I like it when the pilot is "honest" and says "it will be quite bumpy for the next X minutes". I don't need to know how many knots, I just want to know when we will be out of it and that it is something he "knows" about.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33287 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

Quoting saab2000 (Reply 11):
I'm sure he's not making up the upper level winds being 140 knots. But too much talk like this can make passengers nervous and I try to avoid it on my airplanes. No overdramatization allowed!

The talk was after the turbulence. He explained what had happened, not what was happening.

That being said, I would think a nervous flier would find relief in the pilot explaining why there is turbulence going on, even while it was going on, rather than not. About a year ago on a rough take-off from O'Hare, our pilot got on the intercom and explained to the passengers why there was heavy turbulence, that passengers in the rear of the plane would be feeling it worse, and not to worry because the plane was entirely designed to handle it. I think such things clam passengers. I'm not a nervous flier at all and am used to rough turbulence, and even hearing that "calmed" me (if that makes sense).



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User currently offlinesaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

I will definitely make announcements regarding the weather if it is warranted. I have no interest in sugarcoating things. But I don't try to scare them either.

Anyway, I was under the impression that the pilot had made an announcement about winds on the surface being 140 knots, which would be unlikely...

But last year flying to RIC we got rocked pretty good coming through a line of small buildups. I did explain what was happening and that there was nothing to be alarmed about and that within a couple minutes we'd be through it or all dead, but that one way or another it would be over. Actually, I didn't say that last part!  I just said that we'd be through it quickly and indeed we were.



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

Looks like JFK is using the 4's for both arrivals and departures now, possibly some departures on 31R. Should be interesting to see what the rush hour will look like.


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