I did notice a higher-than-usual number of departures on 31R this morning on my way in, didn't think anything of it until I booted up the computer though. Yikes...
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jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2706 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2038 times:
Yeh . . . they are predicting this tomorrow big time. Hundreds of cancellations expected
B6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2767 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2017 times:
I was taking a look out of the conference room window and saw some arrivals on 4R with all the departures going out on 31R. As much as I know this is hurting the customers flying out of JFK...I have to admit I love seeing plane after plane take off right next to my hangar. I even took a few minutes, went down to the ramp and sat ontop of a vacant set of air stairs to watch the ops!
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31156 posts, RR: 76 Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1992 times:
I took off on Monday night to LAX. After a nearly 2 hour delay we took off into what the pilot claimed were 140 knot wind gusts that made for one of the most turbulent take-offs I've ever experienced.
andyinpit From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 318 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1863 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5): pilot claimed were 140 knot wind gusts
Those are like category 3 hurricane winds, doubt it was that high. But yes all of the east coast has been very windy the last few days here (BWI) we're starting to see it finally die down.
early prediction...this is going to be a bad summer for weather/delays
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31156 posts, RR: 76 Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1733 times:
Quoting andyinpit (Reply 6):
Those are like category 3 hurricane winds, doubt it was that high.
Indeed, they are. He mentioned that it was only around 20 knots at the lower altitudes - and indeed initial take off was smooth - but once we got up much higher, the gusts were very, very strong. The plane was really, really rocking.
saab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 12 Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1685 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5): I took off on Monday night to LAX. After a nearly 2 hour delay we took off into what the pilot claimed were 140 knot wind gusts that made for one of the most turbulent take-offs I've ever experienced.
Any pilot who would talk to the passengers about taking off into 140 knot gusts needs to have his head examined. Upper level winds are frequently that high, or higher, and generally have little to do with turbulence.
Beyond all this, something seriously needs to be done about the airport situation in New York. When it gets even a bit windy (and today is not that windy, I checked) it becomes very irregular for no good reason. Same at LGA. Those two airports are too close together and conflict on days of anything other than light winds and clear skies.
The current situation and delays which result from it affect the entire US's air traffic negatively.
Airportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3105 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1660 times:
Quoting saab2000 (Reply 8): The current situation and delays which result from it affect the entire US's air traffic negatively.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31156 posts, RR: 76 Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1650 times:
Quoting saab2000 (Reply 8): Any pilot who would talk to the passengers about taking off into 140 knot gusts needs to have his head examined. Upper level winds are frequently that high, or higher, and generally have little to do with turbulence.
Pilot mentioned it was the combination of the low-speed winds at lower levels and the high-speed winds at higher levels hitting each other that created the rocky ride. I'm not an expert on what creates turbulence, but it makes sense to me. Not sure why he would make up stories to the passengers.
saab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1581 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10): Not sure why he would make up stories to the passengers.
I'm sure he's not making up the upper level winds being 140 knots. But too much talk like this can make passengers nervous and I try to avoid it on my airplanes. No overdramatization allowed!
AAEXP From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 414 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1554 times:
Quoting saab2000 (Reply 11): I'm sure he's not making up the upper level winds being 140 knots. But too much talk like this can make passengers nervous and I try to avoid it on my airplanes. No overdramatization allowed!
You know, I like it when the pilot is "honest" and says "it will be quite bumpy for the next X minutes". I don't need to know how many knots, I just want to know when we will be out of it and that it is something he "knows" about.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31156 posts, RR: 76 Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1520 times:
Quoting saab2000 (Reply 11): I'm sure he's not making up the upper level winds being 140 knots. But too much talk like this can make passengers nervous and I try to avoid it on my airplanes. No overdramatization allowed!
The talk was after the turbulence. He explained what had happened, not what was happening.
That being said, I would think a nervous flier would find relief in the pilot explaining why there is turbulence going on, even while it was going on, rather than not. About a year ago on a rough take-off from O'Hare, our pilot got on the intercom and explained to the passengers why there was heavy turbulence, that passengers in the rear of the plane would be feeling it worse, and not to worry because the plane was entirely designed to handle it. I think such things clam passengers. I'm not a nervous flier at all and am used to rough turbulence, and even hearing that "calmed" me (if that makes sense).
saab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1475 times:
I will definitely make announcements regarding the weather if it is warranted. I have no interest in sugarcoating things. But I don't try to scare them either.
Anyway, I was under the impression that the pilot had made an announcement about winds on the surface being 140 knots, which would be unlikely...
But last year flying to RIC we got rocked pretty good coming through a line of small buildups. I did explain what was happening and that there was nothing to be alarmed about and that within a couple minutes we'd be through it or all dead, but that one way or another it would be over. Actually, I didn't say that last part! I just said that we'd be through it quickly and indeed we were.
B6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2767 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1338 times:
Looks like JFK is using the 4's for both arrivals and departures now, possibly some departures on 31R. Should be interesting to see what the rush hour will look like.
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