airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4015 posts, RR: 52 Posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6444 times:
Hi,
it's made official today that JL will terminate it's operation of full-freighter aircraft at the end of this upcoming summer schedule. From late October 2010, JL will only continue to uplift it's cargo on the lowerdeck belly of it's passenger flights.
mtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2118 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6387 times:
peanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1307 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6321 times:
There's money to be made, just leave it to the freighter specialists. Their cost structures are more competitive.
JAL needs to shed a few things, dedicated freighters is one of them.
Don't forget, belly cargo is still a major revenue producer for most carriers that put a little effort into it. This should be the case for JAL as well.
Regarding ANC, how are their numbers over the past 5 years? Have they suffered major reductions recently, with the economic downturn?
[Edited 2010-03-25 10:44:12]
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LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22027 posts, RR: 51 Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6278 times:
I'm surprised they don't stick it out through December for the peak Q4 cargo period.
But with the mess JAL is in, could be their cost structure is just so prohibitive, there is no change of turning cargo ops profitable in the short run.
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flyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1919 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6217 times:
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter): 3 B767-300F's will be retired gradually during the coming months.
How old are these aircraft? Maybe ATI/ATSG would be interested in them?
LJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4142 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6198 times:
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
it's made official today that JL will terminate it's operation of full-freighter aircraft at the end of this upcoming summer schedule. From late October 2010, JL will only continue to uplift it's cargo on the lowerdeck belly of it's passenger flights.
Good news for JLs competitors.... Less capacity, equal demand should mean higher rates.
All from late 2007, so nearly 3 years old when they will leave...
Quoting LJ (Reply 8): Good news for JLs competitors.... Less capacity, equal demand should mean higher rates.
That's the market. New companies or excisting ones jump in the markets. Many JL cargo routes by itself are good money makers. Although it does not fit in the 'new JAL' at the moment.
Although I think more and stronger measurements to improve profitability for the future will be taken. More news is expected before/in June when the winterschedules will be settled. We will see route terminations also on the passenger flights... which ones can only be a guess at this moment.
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AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5338 posts, RR: 11 Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5907 times:
Quoting peanuts (Reply 3): Regarding ANC, how are their numbers over the past 5 years? Have they suffered major reductions recently, with the economic downturn?
Yes, we have. Fortunately, certain carriers are on the rebound here, like CX and KE. Polar and Southern, as well as Kalitta, have remained sort of steady, but not the huge numbers that JAL, Cathay, and Korean used to bring through.
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 4): Actually that means ANC will loose JL completely.
No, the summer charters will still be around, I'm sure, as they've been quite lucrative for JAL.
Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 7): How old are these aircraft? Maybe ATI/ATSG would be interested in them?
They were all delivered very recently... they came through ANC, in fact, on their way to Japan.
mtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2118 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5738 times:
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 4): Actually that means ANC will loose JL completely.
Exactly, which means a reduction in overall traffic thru ANC. And they lose, not loose......
airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4015 posts, RR: 52 Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5393 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 11): No, the summer charters will still be around, I'm sure, as they've been quite lucrative for JAL.
True. But JAL's passenger B744's will also retire gradually, and those were used and available to cover the charter work. I wonder if any space is available for this work in the future fleet without the idle standing B744's they have at this moment.
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carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2769 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5157 times:
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 13): I wonder if any space is available for this work in the future fleet without the idle standing B744's they have at this moment.
They will use 763s or 777s when the 744s are all gone.
airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4015 posts, RR: 52 Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5101 times:
Quoting carpethead (Reply 14): They will use 763s or 777s when the 744s are all gone
Current B777 (200/300) fleet have no room for charters, since that fleet is used to a maximum at this moment.
B767 is not good enough to operate the longhauls to European destinations and/or some US/Canada destinations.
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carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2769 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4878 times:
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 15): Current B777 (200/300) fleet have no room for charters, since that fleet is used to a maximum at this moment.
B767 is not good enough to operate the longhauls to European destinations and/or some US/Canada destinations.
While the 763s are not configured for long-haul, they do operate as far away as Alaska and Hawaii. With charters, there is no need for a premium cabin, so there's no reason why they can't operate to Eastern European destinations from Japan as the 763ERs have plenty of leg for those destinations.
However the 744s are not leaving over night but will take a few years. In that time, the 788 will most likely be delivered and slack in the 777 scheduling should be made available for charters.
Back to the thread topic, it will be interesting who picks up the relatively new 744Fs & 763Fs.
NCA will certainly bring the two 744F currently being stored at VCV or MZJ on-line if the capacity is required.
ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3492 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4679 times:
JAL's freighter operation has been losing money overall for few years now. Yes, there are certain routes that do make money, but not enough to cover the costs of having a freighter operation. Just the amount of salespeople needed to support the freighters is staggering. Some drastic changes were expected in the reorganization process and this is one of them.
NCA is also losing money and I have heard that they need to show some positive results or else they are also in danger of shutting down. With JAL ceasing their freighter operation, this should help.
Quoting carpethead (Reply 16): Back to the thread topic, it will be interesting who picks up the relatively new 744Fs & 763Fs.
Maybe Kalitta will pick some up. They have bought aircraft from JAL before and were reportedly going to buy JAL 744s for BCF conversion.
BoxBoy From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 42 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3795 times:
Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 2): Well, more flight reductions into ANC. Too bad.
Unfortunately, ANC is in big trouble no matter what. As jets get longer range, there is no need for a stop in ANC.
airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4015 posts, RR: 52 Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3520 times:
Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 20): Air Cargo Germany is currently on the market for a thrid and fourth B744F (BCF?) to be added to their fleet this year.
Confirmed. This are 2 MP B747-400BCF's which are currently stored.
Quoting ha763 (Reply 18): Maybe Kalitta will pick some up. They have bought aircraft from JAL before and were reportedly going to buy JAL 744s for BCF conversion.
Correct. Meanwhile JA8072 (BCF) already went to Kalitta. So the first freighter one is gone already.
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trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 3970 posts, RR: 14 Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2322 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 11): Yes, we have. Fortunately, certain carriers are on the rebound here, like CX and KE. Polar and Southern, as well as Kalitta, have remained sort of steady, but not the huge numbers that JAL, Cathay, and Korean used to bring through.
CIs cargo revenue was up 120% for the first 2 months of 2010 compared to 2009, they also made the largest profit since 2005 for last quarter 09 - with 3 parked 744Fs put back in service that period. some carriers are doing well with the upturn in freight!
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