Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29 Posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4256 times:
During the 1970s and into the early 1980s Eastern had a significant presence at CLT, 'just up the road' from their ATL 'megahub.' In addition to their non-stops between CLT and their large northeast, midwest and southeast markets, EA (mainline) also flew to a number of smaller markets within ~200 miles of CLT, such as CAE, CHS, GSP and SAV. Daily frequencies between each of the cities served from CLT averaged 3-4 each way, and northbound/southbound departure times appear to have been banked to facilitate connections. So...
Was CLT considered a smaller hub (than ATL) for EA 'back then' -or- was it more of a focus city turned 'incidental' hub? If a hub by design, why did EA choose a location so close to their main hub in ATL? Also, how strong was CLT as an O&D market for EA during the 1970s-early '80s?
Lastly... was Piedmont's build up at CLT as their primary hub (from ~1982) the main reason for EA's drawdown at CLT after 1985, or was it more due to EA's general 'beginning of the end' decline that was occuring at the time?
doug From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4211 times:
I think that CLT was a strong focus city only ATL and MIA were true hubs I could be wrong about CLT, but ATL at its peak had 310 daily flights MIA 110 the other focus cities were probably around the 30-60 daily flight range MCI,CLT, e.t.c.
Actually, EA kept a sizeable presence in CLT until around early 1986. By then, Lorenzo had decided to focus EA on specific markets like ATL, BOS, MIA, NYC and MCI. The smaller focus markets were cut back significantly, particularly IAH and CLT.
CV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3788 times:
Quoting Tango-Bravo (Thread starter): Was CLT considered a smaller hub (than ATL) for EA 'back then' -or- was it more of a focus city turned 'incidental' hub? If a hub by design, why did EA choose a location so close to their main hub in ATL? Also, how strong was CLT as an O&D market for EA during the 1970s-early '80s?
EA large presence at CLT dates back to the 50's/60's....As a boy, I spent many an hour on the observation deck at the old terminal, knew all the flight numbers and where they went. IIRC, the daily departure count exceeded 100 flights on EA, and consisted of M404's, CV440's, Electras, DC7-B's, Constellations, and B720's. CLT was basically a hub for the Carolinas as it was geographically in the center of the combined States. As EA progressively became smaller at CLT in the 70's and 80's, PI basically did the same thing, except that PI expanded more than anyone ever would have thought possible, and has continued the same under US.
L1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1685 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3759 times:
I remember flying Eastern Electras from RIC to ATL in the late sixties which made a stop in CLT. When they later put Whisperjets (B727s) on the route, it became nonstop. I believe the Electras originated in New York or Newark, so they were multi-stop flights.
Departure and arrival times were banked to facilitate convenient connections. While there was an apparent emphasis on connecting large east and west coast cities through MCI, a number of midwestern markets were served including smaller cities like ICT, OMA, OKC and TUL. Somewhat surprisingly, DEN, RNO and SLC were served from ATL but not from MCI.
By this time CLT had become merely a 'spoke' in EA's route network, with only 9 daily non-stop flights; 8 to ATL and 1 to ORF, which was the continuation of a flight routed ATL-CLT-ORF
Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3169 times:
Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 11): Great shot of the old PI days at CLT prior to the new terminal.
Thanks for the photo! According to an article featuring Piedmont in a back issue of Airliners magazine (Fall 1988), PI 'officially' established their CLT hub in 1981; by the end of 1982, they had increased daily departures from CLT to 172...and kept growing from there. So EA managed to 'hang in there' for 4-5 years after PI 'took over' as the dominant carrier at CLT.
Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 10): Here are the cities EA served non-stop from MCI and number of daily departures in their May 1, 1987 timetable, when their ops at MCI were more or less at their peak:
Cities and daily departures shown in reply 10 are mainline only. In addition, Eastern Express operated by Air Midwest served 19 more cities from MCI with 68 daily (weekdays) departures. (Didn't think to include/add this info until after the edit 'window of opportunity' had expired.)
quickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3159 times:
Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 12): Cities and daily departures shown in reply 10 are mainline only. In addition, Eastern Express operated by Air Midwest served 19 more cities from MCI with 68 daily (weekdays) departures. (Didn't think to include/add this info until after the edit 'window of opportunity' had expired.)
Did any Eastern widebodys ever make it out to MCI?
How about those short hops to ICT and OMA, were they jet service?
Based on EA timetables from 1984, '85 and '87, widebodies were not regularly scheduled through MCI. In the '84 and '85 tt's, all service to/from MCI was with 727-100/-200 and DC-9-30/-50 equipment; in 1987 757-200s were scheduled between MCI and LAX/LAS/SFO/EWR/LGA/DCA on some frequencies.
Quoting quickmover (Reply 13): How about those short hops to ICT and OMA, were they jet service?
Yes. Since MCI - ICT/OMA were both operated exclusively by EA mainline, by default* 727-100/-200 or DC-9-30/-50 equipment would have been assigned to these routes.
(*the only specific indication of aircraft types in tt's noted is Widebody and 757; 727s and DC-9s were the only other types opb EA from 1984-'87).