enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6130 posts, RR: 13 Posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8785 times:
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.
How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route
Please take it easy on any typos, there was a lot to type...
AA
DFW-CYS 0>2 JUL-
MIA-EGE-DEN-MIA 0>1/WK JUN-AUG, one-way
757 Eqp; I'm guessing this is because of a weight restriction ON EGE-MIA; DEN-MIA now 8/WEEK
ORD-PNS 0>2/WK JUN-
AM
ATL-MEX 1>0 JUN- (Apparently they were just kidding)
compensateme From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8575 times:
While I appreciate your work, one flaw with these threads is they fail to account for capacity increases/decreases. On most of the routes Delta cut frequency, it increased capacity. For example, DTW-FLL went from 5x daily (1x319, 4x320) to 4xdaily 757 -- about a 5% increase in capacity.
TWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3048 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8530 times:
I had a similar question about ATL-MDW... it went from 9x to 6x... will they be using larger aircraft? Currently i believe it is all E75s
'902
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FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6049 posts, RR: 25 Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8370 times:
Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 2): I had a similar question about ATL-MDW... it went from 9x to 6x... will they be using larger aircraft?
Currently, ATL-MDW is 3xMD90, 3xE175, 3xCR9.
The June schedule shows 6xA319.
In terms of capacity, it's a small reduction.
With the shifting of MDW-LGA to ORD-LGA and trimming ATL-MDW, looks like DL is finding MDW less strategic.
Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6172 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8361 times:
MEM-EWR is going from 2x E170 to 3x CR7.
"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
globalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 801 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8233 times:
AM seriously no MEX-ATL ... This is so confusing ... Would be cool for MX to fly in but that is about 99.99% not going to happen.
Landing on every Continent almost on an annual basis!
Airport From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 1394 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8090 times:
I suppose it should be noted that originally this service was scheduled to be cancelled for the summer, so while yes it is showing it going down from 2 flights currently to 1 flight (which is news to me), this service was always planned on being winter seasonal and cancelled in the summer. However QX did announce recently that SUN is going to be served year-round now, with 1 flight to SEA and 1 flight to LAX in the summer. So according to OAG they're also going to keep 1 daily to SUN?
compensateme From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7972 times:
Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 2): I had a similar question about ATL-MDW... it went from 9x to 6x... will they be using larger aircraft?
ATL-MDW had been scheduled to operate this summer as 12-weekly CR9, 26w E75 & 21w M90, it's now scheduled as 42w 319 -- roughly a 14% drop in physical seats.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7905 times:
Just for my own special interest.. I'm trying to understand about this aircraft..
It arrives in RDU at basically 6:00am. The only 320 departing RDU at all is a DTW flight departing at 6:00am. Where is this aircraft gonna go?
Then, the DTW 320 arrives at 7:15pm at RDU, but the LAX flight departs at 7:45 pm? Is this the same flight heading to LAX? Most DL mainline flights take ~45 min turn-around.
So are there more schedule modifications to be made or is there a 320 flight that will be announced soon (like, maybe the return of SLC)?
compensateme From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7891 times:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8): So are there more schedule modifications to be made or is there a 320 flight that will be announced soon (like, maybe the return of SLC)?
DL's schedule has not been finalized; we'll continue to see adjustments/corrections as DL uploads its schedule updates.
Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6172 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7663 times:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8): Then, the DTW 320 arrives at 7:15pm at RDU, but the LAX flight departs at 7:45 pm? Is this the same flight heading to LAX? Most DL mainline flights take ~45 min turn-around.
The late DTW flight might be a RON
"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4719 posts, RR: 15 Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7507 times:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8): So are there more schedule modifications to be made or is there a 320 flight that will be announced soon...
The answer is:
Quoting compensateme (Reply 9): DL's schedule has not been finalized; we'll continue to see adjustments/corrections as DL uploads its schedule updates...
I've been tracking some fairly substantial conflicts (in the June schedules) at SAN for well over a month now and they are yet to be any clearer than they were in February! (They're much different, but no clearer...) Involved are equipment-type turns and frequency mis-matches; other than that, it all makes perfect sense! And btw, I, like you, am hoping for some new-flight announcements to balance everything out.
My advice: wait until about 2 weeks before the effective date and then there's maybe a 90% chance that "what you see is what you get!"
enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6130 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7223 times:
Quoting compensateme (Reply 1): While I appreciate your work, one flaw with these threads is they fail to account for capacity increases/decreases.
That's easy to say, but do you have any idea how many markets have changes in capacity every week? This week, which was a slow week, it'st 1,389 routes with capacity changes and many of them had changes in several different months, so now you are talking about 4,000-5,000. When DL or UA has a major schedule change it could be 40,000.
Tell me how you would do it, get everybody to agree, and then I'll see if it possible to present that way. How's that? Presenting a problem without a solution is lame. BTW, if you simply say include the seat change, then what if the frequency stays the same, but the capacity craters? Not much of a solution. Also, keep in mind (as in the example below) airlines don't have real aircraft types scheduled in these future schedules so there's always going to be capacity changes as the schedule moves from future to intermediate to current.
My answer is that typical customers care more about departures than seats anyway (because you select your flight by flight time).
Quoting globalflyer (Reply 5): AM seriously no MEX-ATL ... This is so confusing ...
Whoever does scheduling at AM must have gone off their medication again. In terms of schedule stability, they are the worst airline on the planet. They make airlines in countries at war seem professional.
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8): It arrives in RDU at basically 6:00am. The only 320 departing RDU at all is a DTW flight departing at 6:00am. Where is this aircraft gonna go?
The way a lot of airlines do future schedules is that for mission critical routes they put the correct aircraft in their future schedules, but often they just list everything else as a single aircraft in a particular size category. For example, a 737-700 may be a stand-in at CO for all the 737s or the A320 may be used for all 100-seaters at DL.
compensateme From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7049 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 12): Presenting a problem without a solution is lame... typical customers care more about departures than seats anyway (because you select your flight by flight time).
I merely pointed out a flaw in your model; on many routes, DL infused larger aircraft & subsequently eliminated frequencies. Thus, per your presentation, it appears DL's cutting capacity while it's actually maintaining or slightly increasing it. I provided this information to educate your readers; in past editions, many responses indicate the writer assumed/concluded the airline added/removed capacity when it fact it may have done just the opposite.
And while I agree that many customers care more about departures than seats (to an extent--many top-elites are demanding/seeking flights with premium cabins these days), your threads aren't catering to customers.
mtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2118 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6956 times:
Glad to see LWS get three this summer. Don't know if they had three in past, but I don't think so.
As for SUN, guess they'll have 1 to BOI,SEA, and LAX.
JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4459 posts, RR: 22 Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6339 times:
Quoting compensateme (Reply 13): I merely pointed out a flaw in your model; on many routes, DL infused larger aircraft & subsequently eliminated frequencies. Thus, per your presentation, it appears DL's cutting capacity while it's actually maintaining or slightly increasing it. I provided this information to educate your readers; in past editions, many responses indicate the writer assumed/concluded the airline added/removed capacity when it fact it may have done just the opposite.
There is no "flaw" in his model--in fact, it's not a model at all. It's a presentation of data.
The "model" comes in its interpretation, which should responsibly be used with other information, to draw conclusions. If DL switched from a 744 to 2 D95's on a route, well...they added a frequency, didn't they? This is just a data point.
Along with 99.9999% of others, I appreciate Enilria's work. For many markets/carriers he lists that are of interest to me, aircraft seating capacity doesn't change much--but frequencies change often. Thus it's a nice off-hand reference.
The moral of this story is to be smart and make sure you rely on facts from all sources available to you to make rational conclusions. Don't rely on others to bring things to you on a silver platter, and don't assume they should. That's a nice life lesson as well.
But in all honesty methinks you're putting your fingers in others' pies just to stir up trouble.
CVG72 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 161 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6320 times:
THEGRINCH From Mexico, joined May 2005, 24 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5836 times:
Quoting DesertAir (Reply 15): It is interesting that US is flying three a day to GDL from PHX. Will these all be mainline flights or a mix with RJs?
It should be a mix of CRJ, CRJ900 and a 319 on this route. What's intersting is seeing the morning CRJ transferring to 4pm and the CRJ900 will arrive at night and then fly back early morning.
DEPARTURE GDL
YV 2807 5:50 AM CR9
US 409 1:50 PM 319
YV 2811 4:30 PM CRJ
This increase is a direct result from AM canceling the GDL-HMO-PHX flight, and now US has the whole enchilada to themselves. Good luck US, and please send the Steelers 319!
Airport From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 1394 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5827 times:
Quoting THEGRINCH (Reply 18): Good luck US, and please send the Steelers 319!
Unfortunately, I do not think that is possible since the Steelers A319 is a US east aircraft, and US east aircraft do not transfer and connect to old HP (west) spokes through PHX or LAS. I could be wrong though.
Anyone likely to pick this up. If wiki is right DL are the only airline serving this route. Didn't Spirit once fly it? Would they reconsider it again? Or JetBlue or AA? I would suggest US but if the slot swap goes through then there is little chance they would be interested
laca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3746 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5378 times:
Quoting DesertAir (Reply 15): It is interesting that US is flying three a day to GDL from PHX. Will these all be mainline flights or a mix with RJs?
It will be: 1X319, 1XCRJ, 1XCR9. I'm actually surprised to see one of the flights operating as a 319 as US has mainly flown PHX-GDL with USEX.
The schedules are very easy to look up, DesertAir.
AVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 786 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5313 times:
Thanks as always, enilria, for doing this. Your hard work is very appreciated.
NKOPS From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2543 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5168 times:
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7170 posts, RR: 45 Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5020 times:
Quoting globalflyer (Reply 5):
AM seriously no MEX-ATL ... This is so confusing ...
Quoting enilria (Reply 12): Whoever does scheduling at AM must have gone off their medication again. In terms of schedule stability, they are the worst airline on the planet. They make airlines in countries at war seem professional.
I agree. AM is completely lost. I just wonder if this is an error or something. I mean, the flight has not even started yet! Maybe a Deltoid with some knowledge of ATL or of the DL-AM ops can shed some light?
25 planespotting: How come DSM is losing an MKE flight on FL already? Are the Republic flights doing that much better, or are both airlines already realizing that 6/da
26 pshifrin: Very excited about LGA-LWB. It probably doesn't benefit most but our company has a location near LWB and driving 8 hours from NYC is a real pain. It w
27 compensateme: In previous editions of enilria's threads, many posters have immediately assumed a change in frequency reflects a change in capacity; I'm merely educ
28 HVNandrew: Not likely. DL has been running the route seasonally/suspending it during the summer for years. It will likely be back in the fall or winter.
29 JBirdAV8r: That's a completely different argument. You were pointing out a "flaw" in his "model"--and I corrected you by informing you that the data he posts ar
30 mariner: I don't think Enilria can be responsible for what any reader assumes. He makes no greater claim for these threads than what they are - a presentation
31 MAH4546: Bermuda's peak season is summer. Delta has been operating LGA-BDA seasonally, but suspending it during the winter (i.e. its suspended right now).
32 knope2001: Local DSM-MKE is fairly thin traffic...it's about connections. FL's Des Moines flights have been definitely lighter than Omaha, from what I've heard.
33 evanbu: Does anybody know how DSM-MCO is doing on FL?
34 KcrwFlyer: Why drive 8 hours when CRW and ROA both have service to LGA? Go look at ticket prices. high prices = good loads.. low low prices = not so good loads.
35 SANFan: Huh? Since when did semicolons become unpopular; I must have missed that memo?! I do, however, agree with the rest of your criticism of compensateme'
36 enilria: they've done this with ATL before and MSP. They are just schizo. I expect the Skywest service will see this future... 1) market cutbacks 2) market ch
37 EddieDude: Agree they are nuts. I had no idea MSP had been loaded or even started before.
38 iowaman: I think you hit the nail on the head, Knope. The amount of capacity on DSM-MKE right now is a bit excessive, and the local O&D is thin. Between O
39 enilria: They loaded MSP, announced it, and then about 30 days from start: POOF. Never started.
40 EddieDude: Ah, thanks Airline spelled backwards. Indeed they are crazy crazy.
41 enilria: I believe you are only the 3rd person to notice that.
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And btw, I, like you, am hoping for some new-flight announcements to balance everything out.
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