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CO To Cut 150 Jobs @ 7 Airports  
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3291 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6439 times:

"Continental Airlines Inc. said Friday it will lay off 150 ground workers including bag handlers at seven U.S. airports and hire contractors to do the work.

Continental said the layoffs would occur June 1 in Providence, R.I.; Greensboro, N.C.; Richmond and Norfolk, Va.; Pensacola, Fla.; St. Louis and Kansas City. Company spokeswoman Julie King said employees were notified Thursday."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Contin...es-to-apf-3753616948.html?x=0&.v=1

Apparently these were the last 7 airports in the CO system with mainline employees and no mainline service. I'd suspect the recent vote to unionize by CO ground employees made corporate look at high cost stations like these. Sad for these folks, because they may not have wanted to be forced into a union. Usually folks in stations like these know they are on the bubble. I'm sure we all wish them well......

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User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6266 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Thread starter):
I'd suspect the recent vote to unionize by CO ground employees made corporate look at high cost stations like these.

I'm sure they've been looked at for a long time; not just since the IBT victory.

Quoting TOLtommy (Thread starter):
Sad for these folks, because they may not have wanted to be forced into a union. Usually folks in stations like these know they are on the bubble. I'm sure we all wish them well......

...Or maybe they voted 100% "yes," *because* they know they're on the bubble. Who knows?



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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6220 times:

Does not surprise me and is actually a smart move...it's the right thing to do...
I am surprised to see STL and MCI lack CO mainline service......



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User currently offlineadxmatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 951 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6213 times:

Even at all mainline stations CO outsources... look at LAS.

Which CO stations HAVE CO employees above/below the wing? and not contracted... i.e. swissport/menzies

Do not include the hubs.


User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6082 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 2):
it's the right thing to do..

According to who? You?

I seem to remember a CO that figured out ways to avoid just this type of scenario. I also recall reading in Bethune's book how win-win it was all around.



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User currently onlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5135 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6016 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 4):
According to who? You?

I seem to remember a CO that figured out ways to avoid just this type of scenario. I also recall reading in Bethune's book how win-win it was all around.

Why? If there is a surplus you make a loss , not a profit. Airline business is really flexible. When the market picks up they get hired again.


User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5909 times:

Cant they "Bump" into a hub or another out station if they have the senority ???

User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5758 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 2):
it's the right thing to do..
Quoting kl911 (Reply 5):


The "right thing to do" is take care of your internal customers. Everything else follows from there.



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5424 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 4):
According to who? You?

I seem to remember a CO that figured out ways to avoid just this type of scenario. I also recall reading in Bethune's book how win-win it was all around.
Quoting nwaesc (Reply 7):

The "right thing to do" is take care of your internal customers. Everything else follows from there.

Why have ground staff at an airport you don't even serve?



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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3291 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5135 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 1):
I'm sure they've been looked at for a long time; not just since the IBT victory

I agree with you. But knowing that station costs are likely to go up, not down, with a labor contract, this was probably the final straw.


User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5054 times:

Quoting adxmatt (Reply 3):

Which CO stations HAVE CO employees above/below the wing? and not contracted...

I'm pretty sure LAX and MCO have CO stations, and I would not be surprised if DFW did as well.



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User currently offlinecle757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4999 times:

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 10):
I'm pretty sure LAX and MCO have CO stations, and I would not be surprised if DFW did as well

MCO does not have CO ramp, neither does LAS,PHX,DEN,SEA,TPA,FLL all pretty big stations.



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User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 851 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4836 times:

The hubs had the majority vote for the union and here is the collateral damage. Field stations getting the boot. Our XE manager here in CRP has said he wouldnt be surprised if Terminal B at IAH gets handed over to either a vendor or have XE run it ourmselves. (Ground handling that is.) PNS and the other stations did not come as a surprise to us leading up to the union vote at big CAL. From what I understand, the ramp's reasoning for voting in the union was for protection in the event of a merger with UA. CO is looking for all kinds of ways to cut cost and here is another one. I also dont get why CO has a CO manager and supervisor in the COex stations watching over how things are being run, when there is already either an XE or AE management team on property. Granted in some stations its not going well but from what I understand most of the XE stations dont seem to have a problem. Im watching to see what happens in the small/midsize mainline stations such as ABQ.
JD CRPXE



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User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

With all the negative happenings with Continental lately I can't help but flash to a quote from Thelma Harper: "Toots, the honeymoon is over!" Sad.

User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 12):
The hubs had the majority vote for the union

Well, yeah; that's simply due to numbers of staff. My question is, in the outstations, what percentage of employees voted yes?

Quote:
and here is the collateral damage. Field stations getting the boot.

Do you know that these stations weren't already on the block? If you have evidence to the contrary, please post it. Not trying to call you out, I just think that blaming representation is intellectually lazy.

Quote:
Our XE manager here in CRP has said he wouldnt be surprised if Terminal B at IAH gets handed over to either a vendor or have XE run it ourmselves. (Ground handling that is.)

Every airlink manager says that. LOL.

Quote:
I also dont get why CO has a CO manager and supervisor in the COex stations watching over how things are being run, when there is already either an XE or AE management team on property.

I don;t get that, either. At NW, when they closed small cities after BK, where once there was one manager, now you had 4: One M/L manager, one asst. manager, one vendor manager, and one asst. manager. WTF?

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 12):
With all the negative happenings with Continental lately I can't help but flash to a quote from Thelma Harper: "Toots, the honeymoon is over!" Sad.

Exactly what I was alluding to in my earlier post discussing Bethune's book...



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3347 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

Quoting adxmatt (Reply 3):
Which CO stations HAVE CO employees above/below the wing? and not contracted... i.e. swissport/menzies

I know MIA certainly does. I was surprised to see that every legacy carrier serving MIA performs its own ground handling.


User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4605 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 15):
I know MIA certainly does. I was surprised to see that every legacy carrier serving MIA performs its own ground handling.

DL is outsourced below wing.



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

Will any of the 150 folks be offered other positions within the company at different cities?

Quoting adxmatt (Reply 3):
Which CO stations HAVE CO employees above/below the wing?

DEN has MX and Chelsea.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25352 posts, RR: 49
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

Seems pretty simple to me.
Vote union = expect the company to make changes.

Until a contract is in place, I would fully expect CO to review all operations and explore means to ensure future cost competiveness which maybe be achieved by 3rd party vendors.
And yes for places like IAH, I also fully expect the express ops to be farmed out back to either ExpressJet or vendor and no longer be worked by CO mainline employees.

Btw, not related but CO closed the Chelsea kitchen here at LAX a couple months back. Basically cheaper to contract out, then maintain and run a facility yourself.



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User currently offlineCLEpirate From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

JS said his first priority for this year was to make money...seems that every move that he has made has been to increase revenue and reduce costs.

The big question for FF is what happens to the product. In my opinion no cracks yet...


User currently offlineadxmatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 951 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 8):
Why have ground staff at an airport you don't even serve?

They are served by Continental Express and maybe a mainline RON depending on the city.

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 12):
I also dont get why CO has a CO manager and supervisor in the COex stations watching over how things are being run, when there is already either an XE or AE management team on property.

Mostly for customer service issues that the airline you bought a ticket on has a representative there to help if there are issues. Having a manager and a supervisor helps with coverage. 1 person can't cover everything alone.


User currently offlineF9FA37 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Thread starter):
Quoting TOLtommy (Thread starter):
Apparently these were the last 7 airports in the CO system with mainline employees and no mainline service. I'd suspect the recent vote to unionize by CO ground employees made corporate look at high cost stations like these. Sad for these folks, because they may not have wanted to be forced into a union. Usually folks in stations like these know they are on the bubble. I'm sure we all wish them well......

Could this be in lieu of the impending merger between CO and UA? Sad day for the those folks, I wish them well.   


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2812 times:

Quoting CLEpirate (Reply 19):
JS said his first priority for this year was to make money...seems that every move that he has made has been to increase revenue and reduce costs.

The big question for FF is what happens to the product. In my opinion no cracks yet...

Agreed.



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