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BA Withdraws Travel Perks For Strikers (Part 2)  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12389 times:
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Part 1 of this thread can be found here:

BA Withdraws Travel Perks For Strikers

Please feel free to continue your discussion on the topic in this thread.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12320 times:
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Read another interesting piece today about the pay implications for strikers - potentially very harsh, though perfectly fair.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/tr...-day-lose-up-to-two-weeks-pay.html



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User currently offlinebjcc From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 327 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 12262 times:

Not really a suprise. They took themselves out of the roster plan by going on strike, so obviously arn't going to get paid until they can be slotted back in. If that means they loose money, then they should have thought about it before going out on strike.
On the point about loosing staff travel concessions, there was a radio interview with 2 BA cabin crew and the head man in employment lay at some or other firm of solicitors. In his opinion, BA were quite within their rights to withdraw the concession.


User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 12151 times:

Quoting bjcc (Reply 2):
On the point about loosing staff travel concessions, there was a radio interview with 2 BA cabin crew and the head man in employment lay at some or other firm of solicitors. In his opinion, BA were quite within their rights to withdraw the concession.

That was linked to anet. Interesting to note the CC guys kept interrupting when the lawyer was taking as they did not like what he was saying.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 12136 times:
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Quoting lhr380 (Reply 3):
That was linked to anet

Can you elaborate?

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 3):
Interesting to note the CC guys kept interrupting when the lawyer was taking as they did not like what he was saying

No surprise there!



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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 12121 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):

It was linked in Part 1 of this thread.


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 11981 times:

Quoting bjcc (Reply 2):
BA were quite within their rights to withdraw the concession.

To be quite accurate, that was not in direct dispute. However, it still does not alleviate the sheer pettiness of an arrogant management.


User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1776 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 11908 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):
However, it still does not alleviate the sheer pettiness of an arrogant management.

I don't think the management we're being arrogant or petty, I think they were using it to try and force the hand of many crew and get them to make an important decision. Looking at the figures quoted in the media it looks like it worked in a way with some crew deciding that staff travel was too important and so decided to cross the picket lines.



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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 11877 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):
To be quite accurate, that was not in direct dispute. However, it still does not alleviate the sheer pettiness of an arrogant management.

What about the sheer pettiness of an arrogant union!! Some of the information that has come out of them over the last strike and this one is disgusting!
I have to walk past their main picket as its at the end of my road and the quotes they are shouting are disgusting. There are families and children about, but they don't seem to care (there is a park next to the football club) Walking back from Myrtle Avenue after a bit of spotting today I overhead a lady talking to press photographers saying she was disgusted at the way they were acting, the photographers agreed with her!!

I don't see this type of attitude coming from management at all!!!!


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 11805 times:
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Quoting lhr380 (Reply 5):
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):

It was linked in Part 1 of this thread

Sorry if I'm being stupid, but I wouldn't ask if I actually understood what you meant. Could you kindly restate what it is you meant by that? As you probably know, the last thread got massive, hence why we are here - I could not, and can not, find what you were referring to. Perhaps I am misunderstanding, or you miswrote, the phrase in question?

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 3):
That was linked to anet.

Linked 'to' anet?



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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3589 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 11758 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):
To be quite accurate, that was not in direct dispute. However, it still does not alleviate the sheer pettiness of an arrogant management.

Seems to me the Union is the party being petty and arrogant in this dispute, hence even the other unions are actively trying to break UNITE's strike.

Indisputable evidence in my book.


User currently offlineauroralives From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 11708 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 9):
Sorry if I'm being stupid, but I wouldn't ask if I actually understood what you meant. Could you kindly restate what it is you meant by that? As you probably know, the last thread got massive, hence why we are here - I could not, and can not, find what you were referring to. Perhaps I am misunderstanding, or you miswrote, the phrase in question?

Bad grammar aside, I believe the reference is to post 74 in the other thread . It's a BBC interview with a couple of CC and a lawyer...


User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 11283 times:

My personal feeling is that the Union should be disolved and that the striking cc must be on a different planet from everybody else in this country. They are striking over Ts&Cs that would be the envy of many in the airline industry. They are lucky they have jobs in the current economical climate, there are plenty of infinitely more qualified people without jobs or working for far less money and less benefits.

Ask an 18 year old British/US/Canadian/Dutch soldier "living" in a patrol base in Afghanistan what he thinks of his terms and conditions, I guarantee you won't get the whining and complaining that some of the BA cabin crew are guilty of and I further guarantee you that he gets paid far less and isn't entitled to jet off around the world on a jolly at his employer's expense.

These people seriously need to stand back and take a good hard look at fiscal realities in the REAL WORLD.

Rant over.



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User currently offlinetom355uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 336 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 11215 times:

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 13):

Amen!!!

If BA cabin crew really don't want to do the job for the conditions offered, then I bloody will!

and I'm sure there are THOUSANDS of people in the UK who feel the same.



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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 11083 times:

Quoting auroralives (Reply 11):
Bad grammar aside, I believe the reference is to post 74 in the other thread . It's a BBC interview with a couple of CC and a lawyer...

Thank you, that's what I meant.


Looks like its another good day operation wise today, and a good day for flying, the weather is fantastic. Overcast but very warm. No cancellations of anything planned to operate today.

Quoting tom355uk (Reply 14):
If BA cabin crew really don't want to do the job for the conditions offered, then I bloody will!

and I'm sure there are THOUSANDS of people in the UK who feel the same.

Could not agree more Tom.


User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 11057 times:

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 13):
there are plenty of infinitely more qualified people without jobs or working for far less money and less benefits.

So are you suggesting that less qualified people deserve less pay? Should BA sack all of their crew and employ some of these supposedly wonderful people with more qualifications?

I work with people who have no qualifications and earn more than BA crew do...and in my opinion they deserve the pay they get. To suggest, as you have, that it isn't right for BA crew to earn more than people with more letters behind their name simply because they do have more letters behind their name is totally unfair on those who, for whatever reason, have not gained as many qualifications and ignores the fact that just because someone has more qualifications doesn't mean that they will be any better at their job.

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 13):
Ask an 18 year old British/US/Canadian/Dutch soldier "living" in a patrol base in Afghanistan what he thinks of his terms and conditions, I guarantee you won't get the whining and complaining that some of the BA cabin crew are guilty of and I further guarantee you that he gets paid far less

And I think that is wrong. Our soldiers do a superb job and don't get truly rewarded for the hard work that they do.

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):
However, it still does not alleviate the sheer pettiness of an arrogant management.

I am very interested to see where Willie Walsh is going with this. He says that the staff will not get their perks back, which gives them more of a reason to stay on strike! Is he playing some sort of underhand game to either a) "encourage" staff to leave for their own free will because their job isn't as good as it used to be or b) hope that staff get fed up with the strike so that in the future there are so few people left on strike that he can sack them without having a shortage of staff and hence get rid of the expensive staff?

I think one thing that is clear is that right from the outset (as several of us on here suggested way back in the summer) WW set out to break the unions. His tactics since then, I believe, have confirmed that argument.


User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 10340 times:

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 16):

So are you suggesting that less qualified people deserve less pay? Should BA sack all of their crew and employ some of these supposedly wonderful people with more qualifications?

Not in the slightest. Yes, BA should sack the striking CC, they clearly don't care for their jobs or for the company as much as they should. Qualifications are not necessarily academic. NOBODY ever learned their job at school. There are many people with huge experience in the service industries who'd give their right arm for a cabin crew position at BA.

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 16):

I work with people who have no qualifications and earn more than BA crew do...and in my opinion they deserve the pay they get. To suggest, as you have, that it isn't right for BA crew to earn more than people with more letters behind their name simply because they do have more letters behind their name is totally unfair on those who, for whatever reason, have not gained as many qualifications and ignores the fact that just because someone has more qualifications doesn't mean that they will be any better at their job.

That is not what I'm suggesting at all, FAR from it. That is the way you chose to interpret my words. As I said above, qualifications are not necessarily academic. Experience, enthusiasm and reliability are the best qualities around, I consider these to be the best qualification for any employment.

As for busting the union, all I can say is well done Willie Walsh, I hope you succeed. Trade Unions in this country are a cancer on a productive economy.

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 16):
And I think that is wrong. Our soldiers do a superb job and don't get truly rewarded for the hard work that they do.

I totally agree with you. It is wrong. Its also real. BA cabin crew don't know how good they've got it!



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13166 posts, RR: 78
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 10212 times:

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 16):
I am very interested to see where Willie Walsh is going with this. He says that the staff will not get their perks back, which gives them more of a reason to stay on strike!

We'll see about that.
Once the dust is settled, I reckon many will exit the company.
Good riddance.

As for this 'breaking the unions' stuff, please reconcile this with the FACT that all other parts of BA have, in response to the recession, with TU representation, managed to find ways to cut costs, including UNITE (but without the BASSA appendage).
Some of these talks were extended, but not for 14 months.
Staff were consulted.
BA is a unionised company and long may it remain so.

This was done without large scale job losses, where positions were axed, BA has a process called 'Careerlink' to find alternative post within the airline.
Please compare and contrast with UNITE/BASSA rants about BA being 'like 19th Century mill owners', or like the slave state of Burma.

Now, how many other companies in this day and age, within the extremely competitive airline industry, do that?

Odd how the biggest cheerleaders for this action do not actually work for BA.

BA are 40,000 people, not just militant elements of cabin crew led by those with an eye on the future leadership of UNITE.


User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 10095 times:

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 16):
I think one thing that is clear is that right from the outset (as several of us on here suggested way back in the summer) WW set out to break the unions. His tactics since then, I believe, have confirmed that argument.

As an outside observer I disagree with that statement. I would say it was clear that WW set out to modify the Union Contracts so that BA could be more competitive - and that he was willing to break any Union that did not go along instead of just folding BA and putting everyone out of work.

All the other Unions successfully negotiated new terms with the intent of saving the airline. Only one specific Union did not.

My observation is that WW is now breaking the Union that was not willing to come to more reasonable terms; but that is a singular union.

My personal guess is that at least 50% of the strikers will shortly be unemployed by BA because they cannot afford to commute to their assigned work anymore. Each striker made that decision up front (even if the decision was that they personally did not believe that WW and BA would withdraw the travel perks - and now have to face the consequences of their personal beliefs). I once personally watched workers buy new pickup trucks and cars (on credit) the weekend before a very public scheduled vote on closing a plant I worked at; because, they did not believe that the plant would be closed.


User currently offlineeugdog From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 9922 times:

I do not think you can sack workers for striking in the UK and you cannot hire replacement workers - although you can reassign other workers to the strikers jobs.

I am not sure if withdrawing travel perks and then saying that they will never be reinstated is such a good idea. It might just compel strikers to remain on strike until travel perks are resotred because they need the perks to commute to work. I


User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8574 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 21):
or like the slave state of Burma

I hate to nitpick... but old habits die hard. It's Myanmar, has been since 1989.

Quoting eugdog (Reply 24):
I am not sure if withdrawing travel perks and then saying that they will never be reinstated is such a good idea. It might just compel strikers to remain on strike until travel perks are resotred because they need the perks to commute to work. I

Why not? If you want the workers gone and you can't fire them for walking off the job, but you can make it so that they leave of their own accord, why not? The removal of these perks is just an element of negotiation. They can't stay on strike forever. At some point, they need to earning an income.


User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8419 times:

Quoting eugdog (Reply 24):
I do not think you can sack workers for striking in the UK and you cannot hire replacement workers - although you can reassign other workers to the strikers jobs.

You know, I've been thinking about this. Please forgive me if someone else has already come up this idea also. But what's to stop WW & BA from simply terming the more militant types (those that won't unfortunately lose their jobs for lack of commuting...) for any number of other causes. There's no doubt some cause or other will be able to suffice.

And in the meantime, start hiring their replacements as CSRs or AC cleaners or whathaveyou. I'm sure there's no law against transferring existing employees. I'm talking about post-strike, of course. Just a thought. . .


User currently offlineAAEXP From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 424 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8117 times:

Here are some fresh numbers from BBC today:

Unite said that pilots on £120,000 a year were now doing the job of cabin crew on annual salaries of £15,000.
BA said the claim was "disingenuous" as very few pilots earned £120,000.
In a statement, Unite said the airline had gone to "enormous lengths" to divert hundreds of pilots from their everyday jobs to work as cabin crew.
Unite said many pilots earned £166 an hour - or £120,000 a year - compared with crew who are paid £16 an hour - or £15,000 annually - after five years' experience.


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8064 times:

Quoting AAEXP (Reply 29):
Unite said many pilots earned £166 an hour - or £120,000 a year - compared with crew who are paid £16 an hour - or £15,000 annually - after five years' experience.

I dont know any crew that get £15,000 a year in BA?


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13166 posts, RR: 78
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7853 times:

Quoting Caymanair (Reply 20):
I hate to nitpick... but old habits die hard. It's Myanmar, has been since 1989.

That's what the thugs running the country call it.

I hear that a majority of the BASSA union reps actually rang in 'sick' on the first strike day.
Reminds me of the bit from the Life Of Brian where Reg, leader of the Judean People's Front does not accompany his comrades on their raid to kidnap Pilate's wife, as he 'has a bad back'.
Gotta keep your staff travel I guess, for those breaks from organising the workers.

The fallout from UNITE implying that BA aircraft were 'ill maintained', retracted with a letter of apology, has not prevented at least one entire shift of Engineering staff represented by UNITE from leaving that union.


25 david_itl : Unites members are going to have a 28p levy added to their subs to raise £700,000 in a fighting fund for striking cabin crew. Would the engineers who
26 sbworcs : So that works out at an average of 18 hours per week for £15,000 - wish I could earn that much and I work 37 1/2 hours a week!
27 Post contains images wah64d : Some of them may have it as a baseline salary before allowances, sector pay etc. They'd need to work zero sectors to be paid that though. You've got
28 malaysia : Well my best friend crossed the picket line and is working the flights through the strike, he never agreed with the union and loves BA and oh yes he p
29 TristarAtLCA : Astonishing. The members who are still somehow supporting this shambles of a dispute have gone from being the highest paid in the industry with trave
30 vv701 : So you think it is best to leave school at 18 and get a job. Great! A degree course will take three or four years out of your working life compared t
31 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I agree with your position on the matter of salaries, but not with the working and figures. The percentage of people who can leave school at 18 and go
32 vv701 : Certainly many are. And some - like vetinarian courses - are seven years long. And remember we are not just talking degree courses but people So anot
33 Post contains images PlymSpotter : These are a minority amongst degree courses. The post-grad course is just one year full time in all bar a couple of universities, ranging from two to
34 musang : Que?? Petty? Arrogant? Relative to whom? The staff travel thing was a strategic, targeted, amply publicised, deterrent threat, about which the crew w
35 Post contains links TristarAtLCA : After reading WW interview in the Sunday Times, I too am left somewhat confused by what was petty or arrogant about this decision. To quote WW: 'I do
36 vv701 : The number is totally irrelevant. Please remember that it is only a very small proportion of the working population that is the subject of this threa
37 JER757 : Do you really think everyone who goes into tertiary education do so for the money? There are many, many other reasons for people to go into it: Inter
38 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I disagree. The number is entirely relevant in the terms of the argument laid out by your initial post, which you might have intended solely to be in
39 Scrappy27 : I can't believe this has gone onto a 2nd page now... seems like you A.netters are absolutely fascinated with BA crew!? even more than myself and I am
40 Raffik : I think there was as much interest over the Royal Mail strikes last year but there wasn't an outlet for comments like there is for us here. My partne
41 KLXA380 : Well this might seem harsh but NEVER bite the hand that feeds you
42 babybus : The threat of withdrawing travel perks will certainly make the cabin crew think about what they get. That's going to be a big thing to have to live wi
43 Scrappy27 : I am not one to say whether it's right or wrong as I wish to keep my opinion to myself,, but have you read what you just wrote?? maybe you want to re
44 GDB : They do. They just think the rest of BA should do the saving, historically that has been the case all too often in past. Consider, when most workers
45 Post contains images David L : Oh, it's probably off topic but I finally got my one and only flight in the aircraft I had grown up knowing as the airliner of the times, the 707, th
46 Raffik : It is a perk for employees. It's not a right for all crew members to have concessionary travel. British Airways can withdraw it for whatever reason t
47 LHR380 : I think you have gone a little OTT Raffik, Scrappy had a valid point around the way you had worded your reply, there is no need to have a go at him.
48 Post contains images Raffik : I'm not having a go at anybody. I was asking his opinion on the crew strikes and actually apologised if my post was mis-worded. No, not all BA employ
49 Scrappy27 : OK... I will give my opinion although I don't really want to. I agree the company had warned the crew over what they would do it they striked. Granted
50 vv701 : You may do so but I clearly do not. Indeed it is you that tries to diminish the imprtance of what I called: And I am sure that you do not need me to
51 cainanuk : As an ex military man myself, I must say that you are comparing apples and oranges here. To compare a BA Cabin crew to a front line soldier makes no
52 vv701 : Please give me the courtesy of reading what I have said before commenting on it so specifically. If you had you would have found that nowhere in this
53 AT : Is that correct? /I was under the impression that the contracts the employer could not fire or in any other way differentially treat strikers.
54 Post contains images PlymSpotter : If they are relevent figures, then yes I suggest you do. You have cited figures for those people in employment but, as I'm sure you're aware, I was t
55 vv701 : I am sorry. I did not realise that you were talking about people currently in tertiary education. Perhaps this was because I did not think the number
56 wah64d : Perhaps you'd care to read it again instead of ranting on like a complete and utter halfwit? When you do, you will realise that the section of your r
57 DLPMMM : I think this could end up very interesting. Please correct my assumptions if they are wrong. 1. I would assume that the cabin crew personnel that live
58 Scrappy27 : point 1.... nothing to do with seniority.. and crew after 6 months (when they get their concessions) can live where they want.
59 sankaps : But presumably one choose to live in places like Spain once they reach a certain income level along with certain lifestyle expectations, is it not? T
60 LHR380 : Maybe they live there cause that's where they have always lived, and just happen to want to work for an airline in the UK, and commute. Has NOTHING t
61 AirNZ : No, not in the slightest at all, nor has it anything whatever to do with salary level. Remember, any EU national can work in any EU country without r
62 DLPMMM : I was assuming that most BA FAs were of UK origins ( most all I have met were), and that a certain income level would need to be achieved in order to
63 LHR380 : It is, or was cheaper to live in Europe. There is not much in the £ to Euro at the moment though.
64 kiwiandrew : I would have thought that a residence in most areas of Spain would be cheaper than a residence in most areas of London , so I don't see that it neces
65 AirNZ : They may very well be, but such has absolutely no bearing on an assumption that one needs to be at a high earning level to live anywhere in the EU...
66 Raffik : The concessionary travel is not I think most home owners in the Uk are used to the high cost of housing. I live in Brighton and the property prices ar
67 DLPMMM : I understand the EU single labor market restrictions (or lack there-of). My question had nothing to do with labor law legalities. I was thinking that
68 sankaps : Very reasonable assumption, and is true for most US legacies where the more junior FAs tend to have short haul back and forth trips from their base a
69 Post contains images Kaiarahi : Really? Have you checked prices on Long Island, Orange County, Connecticut - to name just a few - recently. Huh? "Entities"?
70 Scrappy27 : NO... i already answered you....Seniority has absolutely nothing to do with it. Seniority has nothing to do with what trips we get rostered either..
71 tristarsteve : Over 10 years ago when BA had the world tails, it was a condition of becoming cabin crew that you spoke a second language. This led to many European
72 Kaiarahi : That's a broad generalization - a bit like saying Swedes are not very good with alcohol. BTW, Her Majesty speaks impeccable French - in addition to t
73 sankaps : Wow -- so there is no seniority based bidding system, where you get to bid for your trips for the month?
74 Post contains images Scrappy27 : OH I wish!!!!!!! If only!? eurofleet have a bidding system but it's not on seniority... i think they are put in groups and then the groups are rotate
75 sankaps : Well, to be perfectly honest, that would be much closer to being a strike issue if I were a BA F/A... how come it never made it as a major issue in t
76 ANstar : But true. Compared to our European neighbours - Brits dont tend to have a second language.
77 Raffik : Have you seen the price of a house in Michigan or New York State? They are giving homes away there for under $10! You are highlighting exceptionally
78 DLPMMM : Thank you. That is much more clear information specifically answering my question. The BA rostering system is very different from those of airlines I
79 musang : The Queen's an exception. We Brits are very fortunate in that English is the designated language of aviation and other nationalities go to the troubl
80 Scrappy27 : very good point and something we've said for quite some time in BA... we are continuously compared to VS or Easyjet (salary wise) but compare us to o
81 lightsaber : Interesting how the posts are very for or against this action by BA. Most without even bothering to read the (few) links provided. Why is it odd that
82 GDB : It's even worse than that, UNITE represent many BA workers across the airline, UNITE therefore, were party to all those other agreements and therefor
83 lightsaber : A very important correction. Thank you. Lightsaber
84 vv701 : I am nmot saying such comparisons are not worthwhile. They would be very interesting. However they would need to be made with great care. It is easy
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