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This Picture Is Totally Confusing!  
User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5467 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 34845 times:

http://www.nasm.si.edu/exhibitions/g...icabyair/abaImage.cfm?webID=404.p4



Came across this web site and this picture recently. This shows a UA vintage early generation jet cabin circa mid 60's when theatre in the air was in it's infancy. To us aviation enthusiasts this picture would prove strange to say the least why you ask? Check out these idiosyncrosies and can anyone tell me what type of airliner? Or if this picture was taken in a real UA cabin?


    The seats: look first class but, on the port seat shown is different than the starboard seat. The starboard seat looks to me like a Palomar seat which would distinguish this aircraft as an early DC-8. The Port side seat has a different looking seat back. The starboard seat has the compartment for the oxygen masks and there is the air vent and personal light.
    There are none on the port side seat.

  • Overhead panels: On the Port side there is an overhead control pod which was the mainstay design on early Boeing 707, 720, 727 and 737-100 and 737-200's. On the starboard side there is no pod, the overhead lighting is a flat panel above the seating. Some early DC-8's had this, most early DC-8's featured a built in flourescant light in the corner seatback (Palomar). However, Eastern and UA eventually did away with that light; UA used this space for the headphone jacks, Eastern just had Palomar seats without any electronics therefore mandating lighting overhead.

  • Back in the day, UA entered the jet age flying Caravelles but their mainstay for their mainliners were the DC-8. In the early 60's UA finally became a Boeing jet customer with the 720.



So, there you have it. Anyone know more about this picture? ツ


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19275 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 34765 times:

It's probably a set...

User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8525 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 34727 times:
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The picture quality on the screen looks suspiciously clear as well , I concur with the Doc , this is a staged publicity shot on a 'hollywood aircraft' and probably wasn't shot within 10 km of an actual aircraft .


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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5467 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 34416 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):

If thats the case talk about ticky tacky. Seems like whoever was the set designer went out of their way to assemble a hodgepodge of airline interior acoutraments. ツ



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User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 34289 times:

Training cabin for Stewardesses? one side for DC-8, one side for Boeing 720/727?

Just hazarding a guess...


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 34254 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 5):
Training cabin for Stewardesses? one side for DC-8, one side for Boeing 720/727?

That would make sense and this photo a really valuable one.


User currently offlinevhtje From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 33193 times:
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None of the passengers appear to be wearing headsets!

User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 33195 times:

The overhead bins, lighting controls and air vents don't match between the right and left sides. Looks like a set or a training cabin, not an actual aircraft.


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User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2659 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 32830 times:

The stewardess looks amazing to me. Sweet, helpful, pleasing to the eye, and hot as a pistol! Boy do I miss those days.

User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4877 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 32222 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 5):
Training cabin for Stewardesses? one side for DC-8, one side for Boeing 720/727?

That would be my guess!

Air Canada has a cabin simulator in Toronto that has different doors on each corner, B747, B767, A320, the overwing exits on both sides are different, and the wall panels are different on each side. Inboard seats are B767, outboard are B727/DC-9. (It has two aisles)

Its all for training!



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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 30079 times:

The aisle is too wide. Plus what the others have said. I think it's a cabin trainer.

User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 24741 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
look first class but, on the port seat shown is different than the starboard seat.

There is no such thing as starboard/port in aviation, it's left or right.


User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2129 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 23430 times:

So, which movie is being projected on the screen? Can anyone identify the actor on the left and actress on the right?


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User currently offlineF9FA37 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 23430 times:

Maybe a cabin mock-up? Alot of airlines in the day used to use cabin mockups for advertising purposes. At lease they could have used the same type of seats. DETAILS, DETAILS, DETAILS!!!  

User currently offlineplanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 23163 times:

Not only is it a set, but I'd wager a case of Goose Island that the movie screenshot was cut and pasted into the photo in post-production. We do it now all the time now with computers, but it was easily done in the old days too, just with tape or glue instead of your cut and paste command.


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User currently offlinerolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1798 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 22769 times:

Maybe UA had a trainer aircraft mock up (for training F.A.) and this trainer was half DC-8, half Boeing (for economic reasons), and they used that for shooting this ad. Or maybe this is a picture taken during a real F.A. training session.


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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 21427 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
It's probably a set...

  

I think so too. The makeup on the actress to the left is a dead away, particularly the eyeliner and mascara. It's all very camera friendly.


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[Edited 2010-03-29 11:21:08]


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User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2659 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 20650 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 12):
There is no such thing as starboard/port in aviation, it's left or right.

Those terms are still in use and valid. Aviation is a nautical pursuit after all.

Quoting WestWing (Reply 13):
Can anyone identify the actor on the left and actress on the right?

Tony Curtis and Shelley Winters (perhaps)?


User currently offlinebrettdespain From United States of America, joined May 2005, 178 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16736 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 12):
There is no such thing as starboard/port in aviation, it's left or right.

Technically there is because and airplane can also be called a ship. But...

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 18):
Those terms are still in use and valid. Aviation is a nautical pursuit after all.

No, not really. While it may have some validity, it is not commonly in use. In 33 years of flying I've only heard "Port and Starboard" used at a Navy Airfield and never on a commercial jet. We say left or right, or when the flight attendants are referring to something they say "Captain's side" or "First Officer's" side since some F/A's sit forward and other sit facing the rear of the airplane.

Just try saying "Port" or "Starboard" to a modern commercial airline crew and watch for the strange looks you'll get.



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16374 times:

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 17):

Those terms are still in use and valid.

Oh really? Then how come in my 5+ years of training and after reading every single word in the FAR/AIM and many other official aviation books, talking to many veteran pilots, etc, I have NEVER heard or read those two words ever being mentioned?  
Quoting brettdespain (Reply 18):
it is not commonly in use.

It's safe to say they're not in use at all nowadays.

[Edited 2010-03-29 13:55:54]

User currently offlinetempest1944 From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15569 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 6):
Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 17):
Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 19):
It's safe to say they're not in use at all nowadays.

I heard it often enough in my Aviation Systems Technician training...I have always thought of port & starboard in terms of aircraft. Perhaps more military?



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15498 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 12):
So, which movie is being projected on the screen? Can anyone identify the actor on the left and actress on the right?

Jeffery Hunter, John Wayne and Vera Miles and the movie was The Searchers.


User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15086 times:

I'm surprised nobody else has noticed, but in all honesty I only just did: If it were a real DC-8, you would see the Forward Lounge behind the galley

User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 14418 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
The picture quality on the screen looks suspiciously clear as well ,

I'll post this again since it was deleted because people thought I was using all caps since I used an acronym.

Kiwi, it's a Light-emitting Diode Television in High Definition. (LED TV in HD would be the acronyms). Which is obviously a joke. The picture looks like a mock-up, because I can't really even make out a cockpit door. It looks more like a closet door as you can see a touch underneath it. It almost looks like two aircraft interiors in one. Like, one side looks like the 707, the other, I'm not sure.

UAL


User currently offlineBozo From Germany, joined Nov 2005, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 14354 times:

In German we use to say "Wayne interessiert's" (something like "who cares") 


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25 longhauler : In the DC-8, the forward lounge was between the galley and the cockpit, but you would see it ahead of the galley. One could normally see it from the
26 Fly2HMO : Navy, IF anything. All my university classroom instructors were retired military, including navy, and not once did they ever use naval terms for plan
27 RC135X : I may of course be mistaken, but aren't the fuselage doors referred to as "fore" or "forward" and "aft" during the door slide disarming crosscheck an
28 Post contains images MD80fanatic : Not to be pedantic, but your statement above indicates that there never was any regular use of starboard and port in aviation. That statement, as for
29 Post contains images Silver1SWA : It's something used by aviation nerds at websites like airliners.net. Just like the horribly incorrect yet commonly used term "finals"... In the real
30 CanadianNorth : Looks like a set and/or trainer to me as well. The Hawker Siddeley 748 manuals and various maintenance documents frequently specify things as port and
31 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : Port and Starboard are still valid terms in aviation. However, passenger doors are referred to as 1Right and 2Left and so on. When I worked at Northw
32 Post contains images antonovman : Shes probably still flying now for United
33 Post contains images aerorobNZ : lol the reality with UA is that she's probably still flying.....
34 airproxx : Spot on..! And in french, we say "on s'en tape!" wich means something like "we don't give a dare...!!
35 Jackbr : The patter on the bulkhead...is that the same that Pan Am had in their F class 707 lounges?
36 rfields5421 : No - the picture is not an LED TV. It is a mockup - but it was very common to see such clarity and definition in advertising materials back in the 60
37 Post contains images rolfen : I personally am more at ease with left/right. I do not know which one is starboard, or the other ( ). I had to look at the photo and correlate it wit
38 Post contains images fly2hmo : Semantics. Amen! So pilots are nothing but overpaid button-pushers nowadays eh? Me thinks British planes were the last ones to use such terminology.
39 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : No that design was from UA's original DC-8 forward F class bulkhead. You can see the same thing in the top photo on this page from UA's DC-8 introduc
40 cokepopper : ...so do you "store" something on an A/C or "stow"
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