keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 24365 times:
This year or early next year Embraer will take a decision on whether to stretch the E-Jet family or come up with an entirely new design. If Embraer decides to build substantial bigger aircraft, Embraer will face the CSeries, Superjet and ARJ. And Airbus, Boeing, Comac, UAC..
During the last decade Embraer has taken over the 100 seat segment from Fokker and BAE. The E-190 proved far the most popular from the 170, 175, 190, 195 family.
At the same time high fuel prices / environmental regulations push new engine technology. Pratt's GTF's, GE LEAPX and NG34 will be introduced in the next 5 years (such as direct competitor MRJ). The CF34 turbofan installed on Embraers aircraft seem to have reached the end of their product life cycle.
Embraer mentioned recently they are considering a stretch of the E195, dubbed the E-195X. I think it is likely to be equipped with new NG34 or GTF engines, probably will have a bigger wing to create room for a bigger engine, landing gear and more fuel.
It would compete directly with the CS100 I guess. It seems Embraer already proposed the study to airlines (AA). The E170 and E175 are IMO unlikely to be included in such an upgrade.
3000nm passengers only seems to be the industry bench mark. Lower capasity aircraft very seldom fly longer then 1500 nm flights though.
Quoting PW100 (Reply 4): Do you have a side view?
If the GTF [supposedly] does not fit under a 737, how would that fit under an 195X . . .?
The ground clearance issue on the E jets is not as critical as with the 737. A new wing as proposed, new landing gear & engine mounting would include space for a big fan from the start. Maybe a seagul like wing root like the A380.
Maybe the thread is/was a little bit ahead of the main news streams.
Embraer has already let it be known that it is considering a larger aircraft, potentially 150 seats, based on its already successful E195 platform. But it could also develop a new jet aircraft or even a large turboprop, although the company’s interest in turboprops has “lessened” in favour of the 110-120 seat jet market.
The direction the company takes with the new programme will shape Embraer’s future. If it does decide to move beyond its current 70-120 seat regional jet range into larger aircraft, this will bring it into direct competition with Airbus and Boeing for the first time, as well as offering an alternative to Bombardier’s new CSeries.
frigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 22231 times:
Quoting keesje (Reply 5): The ground clearance issue on the E jets is not as critical as with the 737. A new wing as proposed, new landing gear & engine mounting would include space for a big fan from the start. Maybe a seagul like wing root like the A380.
That sounds like much more than a modified E195, they might as well design a new fuselage around it with 5 abreast seating (or even 6...) if they're already redesigning it that far. A new wing and landing gear is quite a lot more complicated (and costly) than a fuselage stretch combined with CF34NG engines. It's more likely Embraer will do just that, IMHO.
panais From Cyprus, joined May 2008, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 22136 times:
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 7): a fuselage stretch combined with CF34NG engines. It's more likely Embraer will do just that
And there is good reason why Embraer will do just that.
Looking at the empty weight difference between the E-190 and the E-195 is 890kg for an increase of 3 rows in length.
If you are looking at a 4 row increase for the E-195X to go to 124 seats (1 class seating at 32in pitch which is 1 row less than the A319, CS300, B737-700) or 132 seats (1 class seating at 31in pitch which is equal to the A319, CS300, B737-700) , the empty weight will increase by say 1,200kg going to about 30,200kg, which is 5-7,000kg less than the CS300 and 8-10,000kg less than the 737-700 and the A319.
Together with the CF34NG engines and a list price that is a lot less than the A319 and the 737-700, it will be a compelling argument for any fleet renewal exercise.
CRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 21804 times:
Quoting paulcaz (Reply 9): This Could Be a good aircraft for Ryanair !
How good are smaller jets for low-cost carriers? Can these carriers make money with aircraft with 90-125 seats?
One gets the impression that only carriers with B737-800 and A320 aircraft with 180-189 seats make money, and their argument is that these large aircraft bring down the unit cost considerably even if the aircraft only carry 90 pax on many routes...
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31828 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 21796 times:
Quoting PW100 (Reply 4): If the GTF [supposedly] does not fit under a 737, how would that fit under an 195X . . .?
Embraer could probably get away with a slightly more powerful variant of the PW1200G being developed for the MRJ, which has a fan diameter (56") almost identical to the CF34-10E currently hanging off the E-195. I do not think they would need the PW1500G and it's 74" fan being developed for the CSeries.
ACKattack From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 21280 times:
What if Embraer designed a new, bigger wing for the E -195X that could fit the nex gen engines, but then used that in a few years for a larger 5 or 6 abreast airliner of 140+ pax plus?
This would give some increased fleet commonality and reduced cost for Embraer. It would also bring them up into the lower realms of the Boeing and Airbus lines, especially the 73G and A319 areas. While this might seem like a threatening move to Boeing and Airbus, it could also get them off the hook for a smaller nex gen narrowbody and allow them to instead concentrate on larger, range-ier narrowbodies.
bjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3902 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 21101 times:
Quoting ACKattack (Reply 17): It would also bring them up into the lower realms of the Boeing and Airbus lines
They have consistently said they are not interested in competing directly with Boeing or Airbus. I read yesterday that they will now make a decision about the 195X by the end of the year. I guess the C-series (which is taking a bigger shot at Boeing and Airbus) and all the re-engining of other types have forced their hand. For me I'd like to see a mini-787.
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