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Why No EK A380 To BOM/DEL?  
User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7117 times:

With BOM 5x and DEL 5x, i was thinking why doesn't EK send a A380 here?

I know connections play important, but do all connect at the same time?
Frequency could be reduced to 4x, and A380 can easily substitute 1 772 and A332 together.

Also, by the end of the year, i think DEL will be A380 ready, though BOM has a little more time.
Please explain...and be polite  

Thank you.

[Edited 2010-03-30 07:16:31]


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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7096 times:

Quoting jayeshrulz (Thread starter):
With BOM 5x and DEL 5x, i was thinking why doesn't EK send a A380 here?

Do these airports currently possess the A380's ground handling capability ?


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7034 times:
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I don't think EK has plans to send the three-class varient to India unfortunately. But I don't know when the 644 seat version is coming into their fleet as that is when a 772 and an A330 will be combined and add a bit more capacity.

User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6950 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 2):
I don't think EK has plans to send the three-class varient to India unfortunately. But I don't know when the 644 seat version is coming into their fleet as that is when a 772 and an A330 will be combined and add a bit more capacity.

Who wants spend a fortune for a flat F class suite for 2.5 hrs journey? 

I'd be happy to fly in Y.

But the point is, do all the flights connect further?
Also,reducing to 4x will spare one of their aircrafts.
The A380 can combine the capacity of 2 777s...in their 644 version..
Roughly



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User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6929 times:

I'm pretty sure that none of the Indian airports mentioned are A380 capable yet? On a side note our BOM and DEL flights are hard enough to work - I couldn't imagine conducting service on a full A380 to BOM! That said, if it went to A380 that'd be fine with me, the A380 crew have much more plush rosters in comparison to us lowly folk on the main fleet  


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User currently offlinetonyban From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6880 times:

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 3):
Who wants spend a fortune for a flat F class suite for 2.5 hrs journey?

I agree. Unless the aircraft is configured for 100% Y, it just doesn't make sense to deploy an aircraft with a 3 class layout
for a quick hop.


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6847 times:

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 4):
I'm pretty sure that none of the Indian airports mentioned are A380 capable yet?

With the new terminal, DEL will be ready. BLR, HYD, COK may have issues at the terminal, like those many check-in counters, boarding area etc etc.

It will be time till we see a scheduled A380 with BOM, but I highly doubt that will be EK. Given EK is 5 daily at BOM and 4 daily at DEL, EK might as well step up frequencies and have an equipment upgrade than to throw in the A380.

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 4):
On a side note our BOM and DEL flights are hard enough to work

EK 506/507 and 508/509 should not be a problem to work on   . Multiple sources indicate these flights aren't as healthy like the other 3. Had many people fly those flights and even during peak July - August and Eid holidays, these flights weren't upto capacity. Besides EK has almost year round deals on the EK 506/507 run.



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User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6729 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 6):
EK 506/507 and 508/509 should not be a problem to work on . Multiple sources indicate these flights aren't as healthy like the other 3. Had many people fly those flights and even during peak July - August and Eid holidays, these flights weren't upto capacity. Besides EK has almost year round deals on the EK 506/507 run.

Haha I'll give you ther 506/507 rotation but 508/509 runs pretty full. I somehow manage to get rostered on 504/505 the most which is always killer. Though my April roster only has ONE turn, to KRT, and got a NRT during our first month of flights there to boot, so I'm a happy camper  



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6673 times:

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 7):
rotation but 508/509 runs pretty full.

strange, they are getting down to the A332 this june. Dunno, but I knew many 508/509 flights running light. Anyhow, the point is EK can boost BOM capacity by getting the remainder 2 flights to a B77W.

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 7):
Though my April roster only has ONE turn, to KRT, and got a NRT during our first month of flights there to boot, so I'm a happy camper

Good for you, I hope you got the flight with the long layover in NRT! Unfortunately my friends in QR will be doing a pattern of KIX - NRT - KIX turnaround and heard that GRU - EZE - GRU will be a turnaround for the crew.



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6618 times:

Quoting jayeshrulz (Thread starter):
why doesn't EK send a A380 here?

Wrong configuration... they will when they get the 2-class birds, which will print money on the Indian routes...


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6576 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 9):
they will when they get the 2-class birds, which will print money on the Indian routes...

Not necessarily.

EK has a 3 class operation to BOM, DEL, MAA and some assorted ones to HYD, BLR.



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User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1359 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6374 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 10):
EK has a 3 class operation to BOM, DEL, MAA and some assorted ones to HYD, BLR.

Could be owing to lack of suitable equipment.

The 700+ seat 2-class version of the A380 which EK has ordered is specifically meant for sub-continental and similar routes, and might just be the right-gauge aircraft in those markets, allowing for a reduction in rotations if that is possible without adverse network impact.

I suspect there will no major loss from discontinuing F on those short services, and that the extra C and Y seats available would make it more lucrative - especially if 2 A380 rotations could substitute 4 B777/A330 ditto.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6304 times:

The new T3 at DEL has three triple-aerobridge A380 gates and LH and AF have both said that DEL will move to A380 routes soon enough. The new terminal in DEL will drive additional traffic into the city and EK could well move their day flight to a 2-class A380. Frankly, F-class on all flights under five hours is overkill. Though that said, EK sends some of their oldest 777-200's to India sometimes - I flew J-class on EK512/513 sometime ago and then when I boarded one of the 77L's to the US the difference was dramatic!


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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6216 times:

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 11):
Could be owing to lack of suitable equipment.

Not at all, they have enough of 2 class equipments.

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 11):
The 700+ seat 2-class version of the A380 which EK has ordered is specifically meant for sub-continental and similar routes, and might just be the right-gauge aircraft in those markets, allowing for a reduction in rotations if that is possible without adverse network impact.

Wrt to India BOM, DEL, BLR, MAA all generate a good amount of premium traffic along with F class traffic. So there is demand and EK may want to sens those 3 class equipments.



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User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5891 times:

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 11):

I suspect there will no major loss from discontinuing F on those short services, and that the extra C and Y seats available would make it more lucrative - especially if 2 A380 rotations could substitute 4 B777/A330 ditto.

Well, if not all, i think they can substitute the 2 flights into one where demand is low.
And indeed there is a high demand of F and J, J rather full i say, esp when i flew EK 508/509, it was full to the brim!
Well, in F i only got to see 3 max!

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 11):



The 700+ seat 2-class version of the A380 which EK has ordered is specifically meant for sub-continental and similar routes, and might just be the right-gauge aircraft in those markets, allowing for a reduction in rotations if that is possible without adverse network impact.
Quoting ojas (Reply 13):
Wrt to India BOM, DEL, BLR, MAA all generate a good amount of premium traffic along with F class traffic. So there is demand and EK may want to sens those 3 class equipments.

I think the current A380 has too much J to fill, and F suites is too much space consuming.
But EK does send the 77L and A345 in night/day flights respectively, which has the new 3 class config.
I think EK 500/501 is the 77L flight.

And BLR gets the old config A332 always.
I guess if they want to keep F, they should either reduce the number of premium seats, or make it into 2 class config with only J and Y.



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User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5826 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 8):
Good for you, I hope you got the flight with the long layover in NRT! Unfortunately my friends in QR will be doing a pattern of KIX - NRT - KIX turnaround and heard that GRU - EZE - GRU will be a turnaround for the crew.

Thanks   Pity about the QR layovers in NRT and EZE, but I'm sure they are just happy to have a new layover destination in the network with GRU! I have an Indian friend who is former Jet having left for Qatar currently in training - she seems to be having a good time (despite having the standard issues of missing home and such).

Oh and I didn't get the long NRT layover unfortunately but its fine, I love Tokyo.

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 14):
But EK does send the 77L and A345 in night/day flights respectively, which has the new 3 class config.

Just for clarification, the A345 is not the new product - they feature the older generation First Class suites (the new ones are a bit bigger) and the Business Class seats are glorified recliners with shells around them. Our newer life-flats on the 77W and 77L and the newest generation fully flat seats on the A380 are miles better.



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User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5787 times:

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 15):
Just for clarification, the A345 is not the new product - they feature the older generation First Class suites (the new ones are a bit bigger) and the Business Class seats are glorified recliners with shells around them. Our newer life-flats on the 77W and 77L and the newest generation fully flat seats on the A380 are miles better.

Thanks i stand correct!  



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User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2866 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5696 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 10):
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 9):
they will when they get the 2-class birds, which will print money on the Indian routes...

Not necessarily.

EK has a 3 class operation to BOM, DEL, MAA and some assorted ones to HYD, BLR.

Sure they have 3 class operations currently, but none on par with what the A380 offers (showers, etc.). A higher density A380 without all of the top amenities will make much more sense for the highly traveled but relatively short sectors to the Subcontinent - Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka. It will probably also be a great fit for other restricted markets like CAI and RUH. Leave those nice 3-class A380s for those longer flights to Europe, South Africa, East Asia, Southeast Asia, and certainly the Americas and Australia  



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5332 times:

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 15):
Oh and I didn't get the long NRT layover unfortunately but its fine,

EK is 5 weekly to NRT isn't it?

so if you arrive on EK 318 today evening and the next day there is no flight, but rather after 48 hours. That's why I used the word "long" layover, would give an extra day for the crew to relax.

If you had the flight next day, it would be a 24 hour layover.



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User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5239 times:

Quoting tonyban (Reply 5):
?

I agree. Unless the aircraft is configured for 100% Y, it just doesn't make sense to deploy an aircraft with a 3 class layout
for a quick hop.
Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 3):

Who wants spend a fortune for a flat F class suite for 2.5 hrs journey?

I'd be happy to fly in Y.

While I agree that they might not be demand for F on this route, there is pretty good demand for J, especially out of BOM. While you might settle for Y, businessmen whose tickets are being paid for by their companies might not   a two-class makes most sense!


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5146 times:

How is work going on BOM - can the apron handle regular A380 operations? I know that F-WWJB visited BOM I went on one of those flights, but the international tarmac is quite constrained isn't it? It couldn't handle the length of the A340-600, there are doubts if the cargo apron can handle the 747-8, and BOM would have the most traffic to DXB. The ironic part here is that BOM not only has a large amount of both O&D and connecting traffic to DXB (the most in the sub-continent I guess) it is also pretty-much slot-restrained, so it could do with a A380.


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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5035 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 20):
it is also pretty-much slot-restrained, so it could do with a A380.

Slot - restrained? EK is getting all it wants.

Besides 2 of the existing 5 flights are A332 and A345 respectively. If at all an expansion is needed they up them to B77W. Also EK 502/503 & 504/505 runs are not daily B77Ws but a mix of B772, B773. That is, EK is dying to increase capacity to BOM, they might as well first make all the 35 weekly flights as B77W and then think about the A380.

However, in the existing number of seat allocations to BOM, and assuming the A380s will be used for the EK 500/501 runs; EK would then need to make all the remaining 4 daily flights as A332s.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4862 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 21):
Quoting Cricket (Reply 20):
it is also pretty-much slot-restrained, so it could do with a A380.

Slot - restrained? EK is getting all it wants.

It is getting there, even with both 14/32 and 9/27 running at max, BOM can't expand too much further, the A380 is perfect for BOM. If they could fit.



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User currently offlineKLXA380 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4508 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 1):
Do these airports currently possess the A380's ground handling capability

Even if they don't they should. I mean the way the future is going all airports must be ready for it. That's just my 2 cents



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User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4413 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 18):
EK is 5 weekly to NRT isn't it?

so if you arrive on EK 318 today evening and the next day there is no flight, but rather after 48 hours. That's why I used the word "long" layover, would give an extra day for the crew to relax.

If you had the flight next day, it would be a 24 hour layover.

I meant I was not rostered for the longer layover  



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25 jayeshrulz : Yup, but the problems is the slums just next to the airport. I was wondering if in period of 5 years say, just a example, they could remove the slums
26 Cricket : Remove all the slums? We don't live in China buddy. Between the Shiv Sena, Congress and NCp those slums won't be going anywhere. But improvements to
27 AirIndia : Well then atleast the 2 airport theory may be applicable here if not in Delhi..... hope anshuk agrees here!
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