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New Zealand Aviation Thread #75  
User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 843 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 24126 times:

Welcome to the 75th New Zealand Aviation Thread. In Thread #74 New Zealand Aviation Thread #74 we discussed:

  • - WLG-MEL traffic
  • - NZ Rugby World cup domestic capacity increases
  • - Lease extended on SJE
  • - JQ and DJ RNP progress
  • - QF A330 SYD-AKL-LAX-JFK
  • - NZ Trans Tasman/Pacific service/fare changes
  • - NZ A320 international and domestic configurations
  • - CP services to AKL
  • - Capt. Dave Morgan


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User currently offlinezkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 24108 times:

Glad to see that this thread still lives on.. well done to everyone.

word is that NZ 38 - LHR-HKG-AKL will be back to daily service in late July/Early Aug?

any updates on Virginblue or jetstar heading to IVC yet? its been a long time in the balance.   



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 24089 times:

Quoting zkojh (Reply 1):
word is that NZ 38 - LHR-HKG-AKL will be back to daily service in late July/Early Aug?

Correct - or at least that is what the timetable/GDS says.


User currently offlineaerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 24003 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 2):
Quoting zkojh (Reply 1):
word is that NZ 38 - LHR-HKG-AKL will be back to daily service in late July/Early Aug?

Correct - or at least that is what the timetable/GDS says.

Haven't had a chance to look, but i'm assuming a daily 744? or daily 772?



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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8492 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 23958 times:
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Quoting aerohottie (Reply 3):
Haven't had a chance to look, but i'm assuming a daily 744? or daily 772?

As far as I am aware it will be 772 , I doubt whether it will ever go back to a 744 .



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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 23944 times:

(I have moved this over from the last thread)

http://www.flydirect.co.nz/

Report in todays Otago Daily Times of the launch of FlyDirect - a new service to fly people into Wanaka during the ski season. Flights will operate from CHC and WLG.

The flights will be twice daily from CHC in a Dash 8 operated by Vincent, and daily in a 50 seater from WLG. The website mentions Air Chathams, so that would mean a Convair 580.

They are promising hot and cold snacks for the inflight service.

These flights require the users to buy ground content at Wanaka. Though, some Wanaka residents will be able to use the flights.

The site does not give names of anyone involved in this venture.


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 23930 times:

The Australian thread mentions that China Southern is planning to start three times weekly service Guang zhou - Brisbane - Auckland in September.

This airline is in SkyTeam, and has Europe service to Amsterdam, London and Paris. Wonder if they would carry local traffic AKL-BNE? They might follow the Shanghai lead and let transit passengers have a 48 hour visa free entry into China while they are changing flights.


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2634 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 23882 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 5):
These flights require the users to buy ground content at Wanaka. Though, some Wanaka residents will be able to use the flights.

What does buying "ground content" entail?

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 5):
The website mentions Air Chathams, so that would mean a Convair 580.

Man that would be worth it just for the novelty value!


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8492 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 23879 times:
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Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 7):

What does buying "ground content" entail?

I believe it means that you cannot buy it as a 'stand alone' air segment , but rather , you must buy it in conjunction with at least one of the following : accommodation/tour/car hire/jetboating etc .



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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 23876 times:

From the news story in the ODT - people who use these flights must buy some hotel accommodation, car hire etc. ( Apparently, people who have their own unit in Wanaka, stay with friends, or stay in a Time Share would not qualify to use these flights.

In the ODT, an Auckland based director is named as Jef Kerr. Ring any bells?


User currently onlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 783 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 23864 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 6):
This airline is in SkyTeam, and has Europe service to Amsterdam, London and Paris. Wonder if they would carry local traffic AKL-BNE? They might follow the Shanghai lead and let transit passengers have a 48 hour visa free entry into China while they are changing flights.

At CAN it's not even 24 hours. It is strictly same day departure at CAN without a visa. I wonder how many would like the hassle of stopping at BNE on their way to Europe. The only reason might be their fares are crazy cheap.


User currently offlinezkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 23818 times:

Gosh to have a chinese airline flying to New Zealand would be so nice. tho do we really need any more competiton on BNE-AKL right now? wait to Tiger kick off on this route.


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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 660 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 23808 times:

Quoting zkojh (Reply 11):
Gosh to have a chinese airline flying to New Zealand would be so nice. tho do we really need any more competiton on BNE-AKL right now? wait to Tiger kick off on this route.

Good for the consumer..

Do remember Royal Brunei recently withdrew BNE/AKL/BNE services and opted to operate all BWN services nonstop from Auckland.

That leaves the route with:

Emirates
Qantas (Jetconnect)
Pacific Blue
Air New Zealand

Fewer carries than Sydney-Auckland!

Cheers


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2634 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 23722 times:

Quoting zkojh (Reply 11):
Gosh to have a chinese airline flying to New Zealand would be so nice. tho do we really need any more competiton on BNE-AKL right now?

I remember the brief stint of China Southeast flights to Auckland back in 1999. I think they were initially weekly then went to fortnightly then disappeared altogether. Was a weird one I thought... of all the carriers.

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 10):
I wonder how many would like the hassle of stopping at BNE on their way to Europe.

Given the success of EK and TG's former two-stop service, I don't think it's a big deal, though it would likely be getting the lower yielding pax.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1754 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 23721 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 6):
China Southern is planning to start three times weekly service Guang zhou - Brisbane - Auckland in September

Can I assume these will be operated by their 772?


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8492 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 23692 times:
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Quoting cchan (Reply 14):
Can I assume these will be operated by their 772?

I would have thought the 332 would be a lot more likely . The 772 is a lot of capacity to throw at an unproven route .



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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 23628 times:

Quoting zkojh (Reply 1):
word is that NZ 38 - LHR-HKG-AKL will be back to daily service in late July/Early Aug?

Appears from the NZ timetable to be just July and August only - peak season in the northern hemisphere.



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User currently offlinenz1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 23536 times:
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Quoting zkojh (Reply 1):
word is that NZ 38 - LHR-HKG-AKL will be back to daily service in late July/Early Aug?

Just July and August, due to peak season demand. Will be flown by the 772.

NZ1


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 23474 times:

Here is me, looking at a trip to Auckland (DUD-AKL-DUD) for a few days in October. With 6 months until the trip, and no special offers announced at this point, a quick look at reservations shows that the Nothing to Hide campaign does ring true, for the moment, providing conditions stay the same till then.

On the day I nominated, there is no availability in Blue Saver class on Pacific Blue for 1OCT10 - are they really sold out six months ahead? There is availabilty the day before, maybe Friday sells out before other days.

Good availability on Air New Zealand. The fare is about the same, $10 more at some times, but within ball park. Need to add baggage fee to the PacificBlue fare. I am not sure if you would call the insurance charge a hidden extra.


Perhaps we would not have the fare level on Air New Zealand if Pacific Blue was not flying here. I hope Air New Zealand does not decide to add separate baggage charges to make their headline fares look cheaper.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6336 posts, RR: 39
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 23434 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 14):

Even Sydney only gets A330s so I doubt they'd start sending something bigger to AKL. Good to see that another airline is looking at AKL!

Quoting QF175 (Reply 12):
Fewer carries than Sydney-Auckland!

Umm.. I think this has always been the case..



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11847 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23261 times:
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Quoting alangirvan (Reply 5):

I've been looking at Air Chatams AKL-NPE route for a few weeks now, so would be nice to also have the option of WKA


User currently offlinezkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 23197 times:

are we going to see amenity kits, containing an eyeshade, socks, earplugs and a toothbrush set etc in pacific class on the new T7W's? something like this could push the airline up to a 5* star airline? is it me or the new colours look like what is used on Virgin America right now??


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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 843 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 23169 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 9):
In the ODT, an Auckland based director is named as Jef Kerr. Ring any bells?

It should be Jef Kay.

According to www.companies.govt.nz
2320390 Fly Direct Limited
Incorporated: 11 Sep 2009 Address: 2 Fitzroy St, Ponsonby, Auckland
Directors:
Kay, Jeffery James
25 Brown Street, Ponsonby, Auckland

According to the companies office database he is also a director of:
Kiwijet Limited (different from the Patrick Weil 'Kiwijet Airline Company Limited')
Wanaka Flight Service Limited
Kayron Corporate Services Limited
Base FM Limited
Really Interesting Media Limited

and was a director of these struck off companies:
Kayron Properties Limited
Kayron Developments Limited
Chill Bar Limited
Chill Bar Management Limited
Ponsonby Pizza Limited
Northcote Pizzas Limited
Quay St Pizza Limited
Freq Records Limited
Day Dream Records Limited
Natures Dew Limited

www.flydirect.co.nz says 'book now, flights fill quickly', but also says they will cancel flights if insufficient pax. A press report said they plan to use an 85 seater next year. ZK-ECO? Sounds a bit over optimistic.

PA515


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6336 posts, RR: 39
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 23143 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 20):
I've been looking at Air Chatams AKL-NPE route for a few weeks now, so would be nice to also have the option of WKA

Well whatever Air Chats flight you decide to take, it'll be a great experience and also even the chance to jumpseat for the entire journey if you are the one to ask first!


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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 23052 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 19):
Quoting QF175 (Reply 12):
Fewer carries than Sydney-Auckland!

Umm.. I think this has always been the case..

I don't know that that's true. At one point, if my memory serves me correctly, there were as many as eight carriers on AKL-BNE simultaneously, and I distinctly recall that there were fewer (six, I think) than that at the same time on AKL-SYD. Let's see if I can list the AKL-BNE carriers (this list definitely open to correction!):

NZ QF MH TG BI GA EK . . . Hmmm, that's only seven - can anyone help on that?

Eight carriers on AKL-BNE, six on AKL-SYD, whatever: let no one think that the Tasman isn't one of the most competitive aviation markets on the planet.



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25 MotorHussy : And from the other China, we used to have flights via BNE from TPE with BR. Regards MH
26 DavidByrne : . . . and that's the eighth carrier that at one point operated AKL-BNE simultaneously . . . thanks.
27 777ER : With DJ ordering upto 105 B737s, does anyone know yet how many PacBlue will get/if any?
28 Post contains links 777ER : PacBlue has also applied for a twice weekly Australia-RAR service with B738s from next year Virgin Blue Wants Direct Service Into Cook Islands (by zko
29 zkojh : So heres a bit of change to the media - CORRECTION: Virgin Blue is not requesting direct services into the Cook Islands as earlier advised but rather
30 Post contains links 777ER : Safe Air to axe 92 jobs as a result of cancelling a RNZAF C130 job- http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/3543...fe-Air-confirms-92-jobs-to-be-axed
31 Kaiarahi : Question regarding Y+ (I can't find the answer anywhere on the NZ website): I'm travelling YOW-LAX-AKL-BNE-AKL-YVR-YOW on a Y+ fare. Will the Y+ fare
32 Kaiarahi : I just found that I can't book this on the NZ website anyway - it's not possible to combine 2 classes of service on a single ticket (although you can
33 NZ107 : Space+ I presume have first priority then basically anyone else if it's not full.
34 777ER : When I'm flying Y+ long haul on the WLG-AKL flight I'm always in Space+, so I can't see any reason why you shouldn't be in Space+, unless your flying
35 ANstar : My understanding is the 767's are losing space plus. The A320's will also have less space plus rows.
36 Post contains images kiwiandrew : My understanding was that space plus is going to completely disappear . On another website which I cannot name here ( but it starts with "Flyer"and e
37 Kaiarahi : I just find it bizarre that 1) I can book Y+ YOW-LAX/SFO/YVR-AKL, but can't continue Y+ to BNE even on an aircraft with Y+ seating and 2) I have to b
38 777ER : Contact NZ reservations in Canada/USA and find out if you will be seated in Y+ on thw widebody service from AKL-BNE. If your not seated in Y+ then yo
39 aerorobNZ : You should receive space plus if it is available. your Star*G should ensure this even if you were in Y down from Canada. It's a condition of being in
40 Kaiarahi : Thanks for the suggestions.
41 Post contains images aerorobNZ : Failing that I work at AKL so you can always PM me closer to the time...
42 777ER : I've been hearing renewed rumors over the last week that both NZ and DJ are considering Ejets or Cseries for the bigger regional markets like HLZ, ZQN
43 aerorobNZ : I can't see it happening at the moment to be honest. The big financial push is on longhaul and shorthaul intl at the moment. I realize however that t
44 777ER : IMO the 19, 50, 68 and 90-100 seaters would alll work well for NZ if operating at the same time with the Jets being used for Regional demand services
45 alangirvan : "Embraer last week announced that it has created the new management position of executive VP-new programs-airline market and appointed Executive VP-Ai
46 777ER : E195X with a seating capacity of 130 seats which would make it the perfect fleet replacement for UAs B733s, B735s and would also be the perfect gap f
47 Post contains links Qf45 : Whilst looking through the photo database I noticed that a Qantas flight from EZE-SYD had a technical stop in CHC Does this happen often? and is this
48 Zkpilot : Happens occasionally. Mostly due to medical reasons or for fuel (strong headwinds/route deviations/weather issues in Oz). Any diversion has costs...
49 alangirvan : Though question is whether it would be a simple stretch, which would make a very long thin plane, or a totally new plane. 130 seats 4abreast would gi
50 Post contains links 777ER : Aircraft flaws with the Q300 are starting to cause concern. Since the Q300s introduction at NZ, the Q300 fleet has suffered 17 under-carrage malfuncti
51 sunrisevalley : If you read the article carefully it does not specifically state that these 17 incidents are with NZ operated Q300's. It implies this but is careful
52 NZ107 : Just received my QF FF newsletter and they're promoting their new A332 service between SYD, AKL, LAX and JFK. The only problem is that they've chucked
53 Zkpilot : the email I got has a tiny thumbnail... you must have pretty good eyesight! I didn't notice.
54 NZ107 : Hmm.. On second thought, maybe not. Just checked up the db and can't find any new livery A333s. The angle put me off! Just looks too long to be an A33
55 Post contains images Kaiarahi : Typical ignorant "journalism". For example: "In one incident on November 17, 2008, a flight was forced to return to Wellington after a landing wheel(
56 motorhussy : What was the cause of the engines stalling? Pilot error or a problem with the plane?
57 ZKSUJ : I believe Kaiarahi was taking a more scarcastic tone. The news said the plane stalled not the engine. As we know when a plane stalls, the engine is n
58 aerokiwi : Yeah that is an odd one. The NZ booking engine has its good and bad points, but overall I find it better than most. Still, a strange omission - I thi
59 Post contains links CHCalfonzo : Aussie-Chch Jetstar service 'priority' - Stuff Looks certain that JQ will expand in AKL, services to BNE and MEL would be a logical next step. There w
60 Post contains links zkeye : Eagle Air emergency landing http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10637275
61 777ER : I'm surprised JQ hasn't taken over some of all of QFs WLG ops to Aussie yet, or is it because WLG is to high yielding for QF to hand over yet?
62 dj738 : Does anyone know the registration of this 1900? Thanks...
63 Mr AirNZ : I'm told ZK-EAQ
64 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ extends its USA reach with the launching of its codesharing on more then 540 weekly CO flights. The new codesharing also enables better connect
65 sunrisevalley : Only when the revised departure of NZ6 from AKL is effective. IMO nothing would beat an AKL-IAH service! QF have upstaged NZ for on bound passengers
66 DavidByrne : I agree. I'm sure AKL-IAH must be getting some serious thought at NZ HQ. I believe that it could be done with a 77E (about 7,700mi on ETOPS-180, 7,50
67 alangirvan : the test is whether Qantas mainline thinks it can sell Business Class seats - that is what I was told when Jetstar was just starting out, as a pure A
68 777ER : QF have handed over a lot of routes to JQ that don't make money for it or simply don't need J services - especially in Australia and long haul routes
69 sunrisevalley : If NZ5/6 was cut back to a 772 this would take some 80 odd seats off the AKL-LAX market . LAX/SFO are good points for UA and US traffic but to get th
70 alangirvan : If you get the Airline Route e-mail, you will have seen that the new AirNewZealand/Continental codeshare includes a lot of CO flights between IAH and
71 aerokiwi : Don't forget that Qantas has the lion's share of government contracts for international travel. I think that's likely to be a factor in their WLG ope
72 ZKEOJ : I second that! I was on AKL-NPE in December, and it was awesome! I didn't even have to ask - I was asked by the flight attendant at the gate if I wan
73 mariner : NZ Government contracts? Say it isn't so. mariner
74 nzrich : I believe Air NZ is their first choice where possible
75 Unclekoru : It isn't. Qantas picked up a number of Ministry contracts (and corporate) around 2000/2001. NZ has managed to even the playing field to the point whe
76 cchan : My guess is that they also need J class service for WLG passengers connecting to other flights in the network. IMHO, WLG passengers are more likely t
77 mariner : I think Air NZ should be their first choice under almost any circumstances, except, obviously, to places where Air NZ does not fly. That's fair enoug
78 777ER : Was wondering if those contracts played a big part in QF hanging onto WLG. Wouldn't mind seeing a third daily service with either QF or JQ thou for e
79 777ER : Palmerston North is now moaning about the prices of their airfares to the main centres and believe their airfares are being used to help with the airf
80 nzrich : Yes well NZ is still First choice if the time is right .. Obviously in wlg QF has an advantage with its timings ..
81 aerokiwi : Nope. Only on domestic. As of October 2009 it was. The only Ministry that I knew of that had discretion was MFAT and possibly DPC. It was always NZ f
82 mariner : I understand the free market principle, but - for my tax money - it runs full tilt into the majority ownership of Air NZ. mariner
83 sunrisevalley : True in part. But it is much more than Texas. IAH is a huge CO hub with feeds from many cities east of the Mississippi providing one stop service to
84 aerokiwi : It's not the free-market principle I was trying to explain. Spending public monies has a whole host of constraints and, in New Zealand at least, the
85 axio : Well as an example: I was booking flights last night for later this year, one return AKL / PMR and one return AKL / DUD. They were the same price. An
86 mariner : I understood that, and that, for me, is the free market principle - or one of them. I understand that, too, and in a genuine free market, I would agr
87 kiwiandrew : What is the difference ? Yes , competition is one factor , however , another factor which has already been mentioned by other posters is that regiona
88 nzrich : In the end it comes down to costs . Especially labour is way higher proportionally than on the jets .. Also airport terminals in out stations all hav
89 axio : Of course there are economy of scale elements, but at present there is no incentive for NZ to provide lower prices since the only thing they're compet
90 TravellerPlus : Under CER, any Australian company can bid for NZ government business. I'm of the opinion that spending decisions should be based on cost. What's bett
91 mariner : I can only repeat myself - in a genuine free market economy, I would agree. We don't have that. We have this strange hybrid of some all free market,
92 DavidByrne : Am I the only one who finds the constant bleating of provincial airports about the cost of NZ services from their city to be over the top? Reality is
93 alangirvan : When I was living in Australia, prior to the end of the two airline policy, the two airlines explained their fare structures, as - a flag fall, then a
94 aerokiwi : Oh I totally understand your perspective. It's a constant battle of logic between the "drys" at Treasury and just about everyone else. Yeah I suppose
95 Zkpilot : More like 1 in 10, QF has a lot more crew in its LHR base than its AKL base.
96 axio : No. I would expect a new carrier would cause market growth. When prices are high enough that people are driven to use alternatives then there is scop
97 777ER : If a new airline like PacBlue launched services from a bigger regional market like PMR or HLZ then the lower fares will improve the market for both N
98 alangirvan : I hope somebody does come into HLZ and PMR, and more services to DUD and IVC as well. Dunedin does have some good fares to WLG and AKL, but if we want
99 777ER : Isn't PacBlues new CEO a big ATR fan?
100 aerokiwi : Which, if accurate, is still pretty impressive. Probably what this is all about. PMR is the only international airport in New Zealand (well, bar IVC,
101 ANstar : Im sure we would have seen them in QF colours if he was. lol Anyways I think we can kiss the ATR rumour well and truely good night.
102 cchan : That maybe the case, but I am more interested in what their $5 departure fee is subsidising now that there is no international flights and no airport
103 aerokiwi : Hehe, good point.
104 DavidByrne : I'm speculating, but it seems likely that the works already undertaken would have been loan-financed, and that the departure fee will be paying back
105 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Maybe its for that ILS they have been talking about for years and years
106 dj738 : I think 777ER is referring to PacificBlue's new(ish) CEO Mark Pitt, who is ex Mount Cook Airlines, and therefore yes, would have an extensive history
107 28L28L : Can anyone tell me when BA ceased operating to AKL with their own aircraft? Cheers.
108 zkojh : Our inbound NZ39 due from Auckland/Hong Kong scheduled to arrive at Heathrow today (15 April) at 1445 was diverted to Frankfurt. Passengers are being
109 NZ107 : Which springs to mind.. What cities in Mainland Europe will NZ look to fly to first? We're coming out of the global recession and planes are on their
110 ZKSUJ : I'd say FRA/MUC or CDG. MUC maybe as it is the main Star hub for regional Europe as far as I am aware of
111 zkojh : 16 April 2010 With UK airspace currently closed to all carriers as a result of recent volcanic activity, the following Air New Zealand flights are aff
112 DavidByrne : FRA or MUC, and MAN are the two destinations that the airline itself was talking about a couple of years ago. I've never seen mention of CDG as being
113 NZ107 : Hence why I said middle of the decade - I realise that nothing is likely before the 789s come. Is NZ's strategy currently to use the first 789s for e
114 777ER : Presume the flights operated to the first stop thou. Would the flights have then operated the return sector of NZ1 and NZ37? Are any NZ aircraft wait
115 zkojh : i've just watch bbc news 24, and they did a live feed from LHR and showd a few of the airlines parked up, lots of BA tail's and even saw an ANZ 744 wi
116 zkojh : 777ER - whats NZ37? the LHR-HKG-AKL and VV is NZ38/39 , as it stands NZ1 + 2 is flying AKL to LAX and VV and NZ 38/39 are doing the AKL -HKG bit and V
117 ANstar : 747 NBW is at LHR 777 OKE is at FRA. Passengers are being bussed FRA/LHR OKE is due to Depart FRA tonight for HKG at 2140.
118 Post contains images Zkpilot : Lucky them! At least they get there I suppose...which is more than can be said for most passengers!
119 zkojh : UK Airspace extended close until at least 07:00, at least their cutting the grass at Heathrow!
120 ZK-NBT : It was March 1995. Used to be awesome seeing them and several other carriers at AKL together like JAL, AA, CP, UA, CO. Hehe those were the days!
121 zkojh : Flights across England are still grounded and air traffic officials have extended the UK airspace closure to 1pm (GMT) on Saturday. The ash has stalle
122 767er : Dows anyone know when the 77W schedules will be loaded into the GDS system?. I am flying NZ5/6 in December and want to make sure I get to fly on the 7
123 NZ107 : IIRC they will become bookable by the end of the month so keep your eyes open.[Edited 2010-04-16 21:18:50]
124 28L28L : Thanks for your help ZK-NBT, I appreciate it. Cheers.
125 777ER : I'm waiting for the B77W schedule comes out so I can book xmas flights also. Got to try the new Y+ product! I thought they were to be bookable by Apr
126 NZ107 : Nothing's said for the first flights before NZ1/2 are bookable but NZ1/2 are bookable from 26 Apr..
127 nz1 : 1st 77W flights are actually scheduled to fly Tasman flights for a few weeks for crew training, to/from MEL I think from memory. I'll double check an
128 777ER : I thought the first long haul flights are selected NZ5/6 before enough B77W are delivered to allow for daily NZ1/2 services?
129 NZ107 : Sorry I meant nothing was said about when these flights become bookable. NZ1 - I think the familiarisation flights are to SYD, well at least the inau
130 cchan : Are there any updates on the NZ 777 diverted to FRA and the 747 stuck in LHR? Do these have an impact on other flights in the route network?
131 ZK-NBT : Other than that they are still there, no. They have enough capacity to cover anyway, particularly 744s , but even the 772s which it would usually tak
132 767er : I htink you will find the NZ has been operating the 772, 3 days pw on NZ5/6 for some time now.
133 ZK-NBT : I'm aware of that but things change seasonally. The dates I mentioned also show NZ5/6 returning to daily weather this is the case or not I'm not sure
134 767er : I am flying to LA at Xmas so am hoping i will nab the 77W on either NZ5/6 Interesting article in today. NZ Herald about the new food service with the
135 zkojh : with just over a little of 6 months to go to NZ receive the 1st 77W can anyone comfirm how much of the airframe has been built maybe NZ1 could shed so
136 zkojh : Just checking the AKL depart screen and shows ''NZ6802'' depart @ 15:00 for LAX - would this be a backup plane heading to LAX , for helping out when U
137 767er : Looks like it is not reopening any time soon, alas
138 ZK-NBT : Was 744 ZK-NBU. More likely for those stranded in LAX who now wish to return home instead.
139 ANstar : What about the crews - do NZ have enough spare crew to be crewing extra 744 flying??
140 zkojh : Some good news at last... Disruptions due to volcanic eruption in Iceland - updated 20 April 2230hrs (UKT) UK airspace is beginning to open however th
141 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ is moving its ATR heavy MX work to NSN and CHC will now focus on jet MX. The move will create an extra 40 jobs with 30 new jobs at NSN http://w
142 aerorobNZ : Some of the Safe Air guys may go to NSn from BHE I guess...
143 Post contains links motorhussy : A couple of related ones recently... NZ. Have your food and eat it too. and ... NZ. Cooking on the plane. Regards MH
144 aerokiwi : Interesting. I wonder what the reasoning is for it. I may have missed it, but has NZ pushed theparked (NBT?) 744 back into service to address the bac
145 CHCalfonzo : An article in The Press this morning cited an increase in demand for jet maintenance in CHC. The article mentioned that NZ has been turning away thir
146 Post contains links 777ER : An article in todays stuff.co.nz about the volcano said an extra B744 has been put into service, so NBT must be operating either NZ2/1 or NZ38/39 A b
147 NZB : [ NBT is currently airborne doing NZ125 to MEL and will return at midnight as NZ126
148 HLZCPH : Hi all I saw the picture of the Air NZ B772 (OKE?) at FRA yesterday (photo id 1687807). I guess it would be on the move by now. Anyone know where it h
149 Post contains links NZ748 : 777ER I've also read the articles regarding the extra flights to/from Heathrow, but I apart from the fact that they're going via LAX or HKG there's no
150 nz1 : HKG and AKL Haven't got it on me, but the info was published on all the usual media websites day before yesterday. NZ1
151 v2fix : Does this mean that Air NZ have got special exceptions for additional flight via LAX - isn't there a limit of the number of onward flights from US de
152 kiwiandrew : IIRC there is a limit to the number of seats offered for sale on a fifth freedom basis rather than the number of flights , if the flights are being u
153 Post contains links mariner : I assume someone has posted this link to an Air NZ competition before, but I haven't found it in this or the last thread. Design a cocktail, a snack a
154 777ER : NZ is today operating an extra LHR-LAX-AKL flight as well as the scheduled NZ1 and NZ38 and tomorrow an extra AKL-HKG-LHR service as well as the sched
155 Post contains links 777ER : An RNZAF Iroquois has crashed north of Wellington this morning while heading to ANZAC services in Wellington. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3620...n
156 Zkpilot : RIP The 3 crew and good luck to the 4th in hospital.
157 DavidByrne : Just was looking at the BITRE statistics for January, and I noted that there were 2,121 pax on ROT-SYD for January, the first full month in which the
158 NZ107 : Are you able to explain what BITRE stands for? The yield argument seems to be gone as they're removing J from the A320s.. Replacing it with a sub-par
159 Post contains links and images kiwiandrew : It can't be matched on short haul routes because , quite understandably , nobody is prepared to pay the sort of fares which would pay for the product
160 Post contains links DavidByrne : (Australian) Bureau of Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Economics. It provides a monthly breakdown of international air stats which can be very
161 NZ107 : But surely there was another way to do what they did to keep some sort of prestige within the company itself. Thanks for the link - quite interesting
162 kiwiandrew : I am sure that if you can think of a way to do it they would be happy to hear from you .
163 hornetfan : Table 3 shows between NZ and Australia they average 63.3% compared to 85.1% for Air NZ, 90.1% for Jetstar and 92% for Qantas, and between Australia a
164 DavidByrne : . . . but if you read carefully, that number excludes NZ-Asia, DXB and Europe pax. So it's not really useful for judging the load factors on flights
165 NZ107 : Or people choosing one way with EK and return with another carrier, possibly at a more favourable time.
166 aerokiwi : Or maybe doing round-the-world trips heading westwards. Meaning they'd return via Nth/Sth America. Just a thought.
167 Post contains images zkojh : April 26 , 2010, Air New Zealand Celebrates their 70th Anniversary of its formation from the creation of Teal in 1940 to its development into a truly
168 777ER : Maybe web-sites like House of Travel's mixandmatch.co.nz are to blame for a lot of this with cheaper fares. Some very nice and big birthday presents
169 NZ107 : And no special decal like on QF or CX or the likes! Not even a mention! Well I wouldn't blame them as such.. I doubt people really want to be waking
170 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ has confirmed that the airline and Virgin Blue have been holding discussions over the last few months about a trans-tasman deal http://www.stuf
171 aerohottie : Trans-tasman deal seems loose... merger? alliance? About time is all I say...
172 777ER : DJ maybe joining Star and finally providing Star customers with better connections in Aussie?
173 motorhussy : Been meaning to ask this for a while, but living at the north-western end of WLG's runway, I've noticed that the three different (regular) jets depart
174 Zkpilot : As you have pointed out they are different aircraft.... the weight difference between a 733 and a 738 is about 13,000kg (depending on configuration a
175 motorhussy : Thanks for this. Yep understand the power-to-weight variables of the different types and given this rationale, the Airbus should have the least steep
176 Post contains links NZ107 : NZ has posted the seat map of the 77W online: http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/seat-map-boeing-777-300 I find it strange that they call the 772 the 777-
177 DavidByrne : In the booking area and seat map areas it seems to me that they refer to 777-200 and 777-300 - no "ER" even for the -200. I note that the capacity of
178 777ER : Excellent, now I can start planning my xmas vacation in the snow! Don't think the J pax seated between rows 9-12 will be thrilled at having every pax
179 NZ107 : Just another observation from the seat map: there can't possibly be only 8 exits on the 77W? Is the overwing exit somewhere around where the pairs of
180 kiwiandrew : Well spotted , yes , in my ( totally uninformed ) opinion that must be where the overwing exits are located . Although it doesn't look as though ther
181 767er : The LA flights are now on Expert Flyer but not NZs timetable.
182 aerokiwi : Yeah good point. A far cry from the 744, huh? I wonder if they'll have some in a more economy-intenive configuration.
183 Post contains images kiwiandrew : That is part of the fun , watching the great unwashed gnaw on their own livers in envy watching you relaxing in BP as they make their way back to set
184 NZ107 : Yeah, I guess we'll see when it gets revealed. I'm not sure if NZ has the fleet size to be operating 2 different cabins - it's more likely to stay th
185 Post contains images kiwiandrew : I doubt it , for one reason it would be too small a subfleet , and for another reason I think they are wanting to keep yields up by reducing the rati
186 Unclekoru : DJ use the 26K CFM on the 738. Air NZ use the 20K version on the 733. The earlier -300's (NGA, NGB, NGC and possibly some others) where 22K. Not sure
187 777ER : Would it be possible for NZ to use a dual bridge at AKL/LAX/SFO/YVR to board the B773s?
188 NZ107 : Regardless, some of the J cabin is behind 2L and there aren't many places with the airbridge that goes over the wing. I've just had a look at the new
189 ZK-NBT : It has changes back to the normal NZ1/2xx for now, I believe the reverting back is to do with the A320s becoming all Economy, which will make it easi
190 NZ107 : It's really hard to do distinguish between them anyway - you have to hover the mouse over '1 flight' or '2 flights' if there's a domestic connection.
191 777ER : When looking at WLG-SYD flights in December, I've noticed all A320 flights go back to 7xx/8xx series numbers. Not sure the exact date the numbers cha
192 Zkpilot : It does vary, but more often than not it is better to keep a bit more power on, climb out steeply and get up to cruising altitude quickly so as to ma
193 ANstar : Why would they walk through the J cabin. I am sure there will be curtains and sisgns as there are on the 767 in a similar set up. I cant recall recen
194 NZ107 : Passengers have to board somehow!
195 ANstar : Sorry - my error - I thought he meant using the loos and walking through the cabin for some reason. As for boarding and pax walking through I really
196 aerokiwi : But given they are replacing 744s, where boarding pax are removed from the bisiness Premier section altogether, it will be a difference. Of course, i
197 BlackLabel : How's this any different from the 320, 767, and 744 or 772 when boarding at 1L? SQ makes Y pax walk through the J cabin for quite some distance when
198 777ER : You think J pax don't mind Y pax walking past them during boarding with their screaming kids, complaining children, bad smelling adults who smell lik
199 ANstar : I dont think many people really mind and to be honest, if they did they can always board towards the end.
200 BlackLabel : As I said, how is this different from boarding on the 320, 767, 744, 772 that NZ operate today; or the aircraft of other airlines? As a semi-regular
201 cchan : Are we talking about the differences between 1st and 3rd classes on African trains or are we talking about airliners? On African trains 1st and 3rd c
202 Knid : Nothing I haven't found in fellow J/F pax... Its never really bothered me.
203 aerokiwi : So if you had a choice, would you rather be seated in the rear section of Business Premier or the forward section?
204 777ER : I would prefer the rear end of the forward cabin due to the quietness during boarding instead of the rear business section
205 ZK-NBT : I read on another board about NZ1/2 being retimed with the intro of the 77W. Do we think this is just the 15 mins earlier departure since it takes tha
206 ANstar : Do they have slots at LHR to do this?
207 NZ6 : Seat $83 Seat + Bag $103 (so $20 for a bag up to 23kg) The Works $133 (so another $30 for a coked breakfast when you have had a 5am wake up in some c
208 NZ107 : You obviously didn't research this in depth enough or spent long enough checking out the site. Try clicking on one of the options and look at the 'fl
209 alangirvan : What do you mean - a coked breakfast - I do not want to pay $30 for a breakfast that has been burnt into charcoal. $30 is about twice the cost of get
210 aerokiwi : My point is, as the 77Ws are replacing the 744s, it will be a difference for J pax. Perhaps it's true that they don't mind. But regardless, it will b
211 Unclekoru : Jetstar have added additional AKL-WLG-AKL flights during May and June. AKL/WLG 2030/2135 JQ271 ...TF.S WLG/AKL 2210/2315 JQ272 ...TF.S
212 777ER : Would NZ to able to offer an extra flight from LHR in between NZ2/1 to say Russia? I fully agree with you Nick! When i checked out the CHC-SYD offeri
213 alangirvan : I had a quick look at mixandmatch, and I tried for CHC-SYD in November. You can compare Jetstar with AirNZ - the m&m chart shows the JQ fare - wit
214 ZK-NBT : I forgot to mention about slots, what I was asking though was weather anyone knew what this retimed flight would look like or weather it was just dep
215 777ER : I was using Russia as an example
216 macilree : Actually New Zealand has a fairly extensive exchange of air rights with the Russian Federation. This came about when we secured the necessary first f
217 mariner : Russia generally, or are the rights city specific? I assume Moscow is covered and St. Petersburg, but would, say, Vladivostok be included, given its
218 NZ6 : Oh I'm aware of the prices, it's an extra $20 for seat and another $30 for the works. So an extra $50 for the works from seat, that is off any CHCSYD
219 alangirvan : Another whinge from a Dunedin based a.net person. I had a look at the new fare structure for Trans Tasman flights out of Dunedin, which start again fo
220 NZ6 : No you can only get seat bag and seat etc on CHCSYD or SYDCHC flights. So if you go DUDSYD or DUDAKLSYD you can not get this new product YET it's oka
221 alangirvan : sorry for the confusion, but certainly added incentive for Dunedin City Council to try and persuade Jetstar or PacificBlue to operate more flights out
222 KiwiRob : Where are you eating, McDonalds?
223 sunrisevalley : Now that NZ have firmed up the passenger seating for the 77W it is of interest, at least to me, to see how the 77W and 744 compare on one of NZ’s mo
224 Post contains links NZ107 : Air NZ king of the creek.. for now A clip in the Sydney Morning Herald saying that NZ's satisfaction levels by Aussies makes them the preferred carrie
225 zkojh : Air New Zealand in May 2010 is operating 2 extra flights on Auckland – Norfolk Island route. Schedules are: NZ1216 AKL1600 -1725NLK 320 15MAY10 NZ12
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