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A Few Questions About TW...  
User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2917 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5905 times:

Hello, all...

First, what where the levels of Aviators? (Silver, Gold, etc.) I did some research, but I could not find anything.

Second, in front of me is the reservation of my first flight, LAX - JFK, on the 21 of Aug., 1997, flight 840. I can't find what type of a/c it is... Under the reservation, it says "THU 767 NONSTOP". It says the same things for my connecting JFK - MAD flight, which my mom swears was a 74, so I'm not sure if that 767 is referring to the a/c or not. Can anyone tell me what type of plane I flew, as well as any other info about Flt. 840?

Thank you, It's greatly appreciated!


The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
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User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5852 times:
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Per July 1,1997 TW tiimetable, flt 840 was scheduled a 767-200 LAX-JFK. As for the flight to MAD, it shows it to be a 767-300.
The only 747 routes shown (scheduled anyway) at this time were:
1 STL-HNL
2 HNL-STL
3 JFK-STL MoTh
16 STL-JFK MoTh
840 JFK-FCO
841 FCO-JFK
883 TLV-SNN-JFK
884 JFK-TLV


Can't answer any of the Aviator's queries though.



"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2917 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5833 times:

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 1):
Per July 1,1997 TW tiimetable, flt 840 was scheduled a 767-200 LAX-JFK. As for the flight to MAD, it shows it to be a 767-300.
The only 747 routes shown (scheduled anyway) at this time were:
1 STL-HNL
2 HNL-STL
3 JFK-STL MoTh
16 STL-JFK MoTh
840 JFK-FCO
841 FCO-JFK
883 TLV-SNN-JFK
884 JFK-TLV

Thanks, greatly appreciated! There is always some government website that people bring up to find the regs, etc... What's the link?

Thanks,

Axel



The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5808 times:

It starts in 1995. You should be able to get the registration number if you go to 'detailed statistics'.



Anet is not allowing me to place the link. I have no idea why.

So, let me obscure it a bit

http://www.bts.gov/

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User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5756 times:

Speaking of a few questions about TWA, the only hub I remember them having as I was a kid then, was STL. What other hubs did they have. Did AA take any of them?


"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5734 times:

Quoting c5load (Reply 4):
Speaking of a few questions about TWA, the only hub I remember them having as I was a kid then, was STL. What other hubs did they have. Did AA take any of them?

You can look through old route maps here.

http://www.departedflights.com/routemaps9b.html

New York was something of a hub.

Kansas City was the hub before St. Louis.

They tried to make a hub at Atlanta, but that didn't last long. Sort of a failed focus city.

[Edited 2010-03-30 10:26:19]

User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5707 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 5):
You can look through old route maps here

Thanks for that! You know, pretty soon, that site's going to have Northwest Airlines on it.   



"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4879 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5699 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 5):
New York was something of a hub.

Kansas City was the hub before St. Louis.

They tried to make a hub at Atlanta, but that didn't last long. Sort of a failed focus city.


PIT was another attempt. PATCO related flight reductions killed that one.

CDG was considered a hub for awhile as well. At least it got a big red dot on the route maps for a time. 



Next Up: STL-TPA-BWI-PWM-BWI-STL
User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2917 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5673 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 3):
It starts in 1995. You should be able to get the registration number if you go to 'detailed statistics'.

Thank you thank you thank you!

I have now found out what plane my first flight was on, N607TW... does anyone know the status of her? I know she became a freighter.

Here is a pic of her about a month before she took me on my first flight...

[img]http://www.airliners.net/photo/Trans...d=3dd230a00f32bffe0dcccdd501a163da[/img]

Thanks,

[Edited 2010-03-30 10:38:55]


The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5663 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 8):
does anyone know the status of her

Yeah here she is:

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Paul Kanagie




"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7737 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5661 times:

Quoting c5load (Reply 4):
Speaking of a few questions about TWA, the only hub I remember them having as I was a kid then, was STL. What other hubs did they have. Did AA take any of them?

during the mid-90s there was a re-build up of the European gateway at JFK but prior to the AA buyout much of that had been pulled back. They had used both T-5 and T-6 at JFK, by the end they were just running out of T-5.

There were also attempts to build focus cities (I almost want to think that TWA coined that term) at SJU and LAX with plans for 1 or 2 more.... but again those weren't successful.


Historically (and if you look at the older route maps) TWA's mainline route from east to west was JFK-PIT-ORD-STL-MKC-ABQ-PHX-LAX/SFO. Prior to the merger with Ozark, ORD, MKC, PIT and LAX had sizable operations. After the merger with Ozark TWA really consolidated at STL.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5627 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Thread starter):
Second, in front of me is the reservation of my first flight, LAX - JFK, on the 21 of Aug., 1997, flight 840. I can't find what type of a/c it is



Edit: I see you've already gotten the reg number. Good deal.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 7):
CDG was considered a hub for awhile as well. At least it got a big red dot on the route maps for a time.

Yeah, I was debating whether to mention that. Sort of wishful thinking. You could also call LAX/SFO to be focus cities, I suppose.


This year's map is especially curious. 1979.
http://www.departedflights.com/TW042979.html

It shows several routes out of Paris, but none were transatlantic? And quite a few routes into Tel Aviv.

[Edited 2010-03-30 10:41:10]

[Edited 2010-03-30 10:41:39]

User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2917 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5627 times:

Quoting c5load (Reply 9):
Yeah here she is:

View Large View Medium

Photo © Paul Kanagie

So she's still in service? Great! Thanks all. Anyone know about Aviator? On mine and my mums it says "elite"...Sounds important, but is it? LOL.

---

To add: according to the FAA, she's still here... I'm gad. http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...Num_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N707AX

[Edited 2010-03-30 10:44:51]


The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5606 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 8):
Thank you thank you thank you!

I have now found out what plane my first flight was on, N607TW... does anyone know the status of her? I know she became a freighter.

Isn't A.net amazing?  

I wish I knew what my first flight was, unfortunately it was before the BTS statistics and beyond my memory. By the way, love you sig, it's good to see that some of our youth (which I don't why I'm saying youth, consider I still am one myself, LOL) still have some taste when it comes to aviation. Haha!

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5597 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 8):
I have now found out what plane my first flight was on, N607TW..

Congratulations. I know it's weirdly joyful to fill in that information. For me, I fear I'll never track down this information for my first several flights.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4879 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5591 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 11):


It shows several routes out of Paris, but none were transatlantic? And quite a few routes into Tel Aviv.

Misprint on the map. JFK and BOS were most definately served from CDG.

One other thing, TWA towards the end had 3 planned "focus cities" (their term). SJU then LAX were officially dedicated as such but the third one never materialised. My guess would have been BOS, as TWA built up a few Carribean routes from there towards the end. Any other guesses?



Next Up: STL-TPA-BWI-PWM-BWI-STL
User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2917 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5554 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 13):
Isn't A.net amazing?  

  

Quoting Airport (Reply 13):
By the way, love you sig, it's good to see that some of our youth (which I don't why I'm saying youth, consider I still am one myself, LOL) still have some taste when it comes to aviation. Haha!

Haha, thank you! I really agree with yours, as well... I love classical music.

[Edited 2010-03-30 11:01:10]


The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5541 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 15):
Misprint on the map.

Good. That makes much more sense.

These old maps were awful. Looking at this one, it's entirely impossible to know what the transatlantic routes are.
http://www.departedflights.com/TW080180.html

As for another focus city, I guess BOS is as good a guess as any. Never having been dominated by any one airline, it lends itself to that. SFO as well.


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5408 times:

RE: Aviators program, it was silver, gold and platinum. I was platinum at the time of the acquisition, and AA gave me Exec Platinum.


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2917 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 18):
RE: Aviators program, it was silver, gold and platinum. I was platinum at the time of the acquisition, and AA gave me Exec Platinum.

Ok, but my card says Elite.  



The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2179 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5330 times:

Prior to 1978, ORD was TWA's main domestic hub. I believe they had more flights at ORD than at STL, and more widebody service.

In 1977 / 78, TWA's management began pulling down ORD, mainly because TWA did not have the route authority or gate space to challenge UA or AA. The 707s and 727s based at ORD were moved to STL, and some of the domestic only L-1011s used out of ORD were converted to overwater aircraft, to replace 707s on JFK-Europe routes that were too thin to support 747s.



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7737 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5269 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 15):
One other thing, TWA towards the end had 3 planned "focus cities" (their term). SJU then LAX were officially dedicated as such but the third one never materialised. My guess would have been BOS, as TWA built up a few Carribean routes from there towards the end. Any other guesses?

I was rooting for Compton et al at the end as I saw that TWA was really making some positive changes, shaking off the lasting impact that Ichan had, and getting beyond the stigma of TWA 800. But I think the way they proceeded with the focus cities was flawed. They never had enough additional presence at either SJU or LAX. At the end of the day it was only a handful of additional flights beyond the additional STL and JFK frequencies. If they could have gotten to 20-30 flights a day and have the possibility of a handful of connections it may have worked, but I don't think SJU nor LAX were the places to try it out.

With hindsight being 20/20 TWA really should have made another go at making JFK into a legit hub -- if they could have used both T-5 and T-6 (while not ideal) they could have done to varying degrees what JetBlue eventually did, plus did modest trans Atlantic expansion. Some combo of 757s, 763s, and whatever A330 variant they would have settled on would have made a good mix for a smallish hub and transatlantic gateway. But that never came to be.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2797 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5266 times:

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 1):
The only 747 routes shown (scheduled anyway) at this time were:
1 STL-HNL
2 HNL-STL

My, how times have changed! A 747 on STL-HNL would be an unthinkable proposition today.

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 1):
883 TLV-SNN-JFK
884 JFK-TLV

The 747 couldn't make it back from TLV to JFK nonstop?



Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24084 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5250 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 22):
Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 1):
The only 747 routes shown (scheduled anyway) at this time were:
1 STL-HNL
2 HNL-STL

My, how times have changed! A 747 on STL-HNL would be an unthinkable proposition today.

Like dozens of other US domestic routes once operated by 747s and other widebodies.


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2917 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5062 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 22):

My, how times have changed! A 747 on STL-HNL would be an unthinkable proposition today.

Specially one with a little bar/lunge on the upper deck! I knew I flew the TW 74s many times, even though I was little. I remember little of it, but I remember going in to the cockpit once.



The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
25 SYfan100 : If I recall somewhere on this site someoen said at one time the JFK Terminal that TWA operated from. It was considered "Historic" because of how it wa
26 Post contains links and images moose135 : Yes it is - it was designed by Eero Saarinen, and opened in 1962. In 1994, it was designated a historic landmark by the city of New York, and in 2005
27 mtnwest1979 : LOL, I was thinking the same thing about that. Perhaps they had the poor performing 747 flying that route, or TLV had shorter runway then, but IDK.
28 BMI727 : Any word on when it will open again? My parents took that flight on their honeymoon. And years later (after TW1 and 2 went to a 767) I tried to time
29 MadDogJT8D : I flew JFK-SJU a few times, once roundtrip on the 747 TW12/21, once on the 762 roundtrip TW35/36 and again on a 762 & 752 TW12/9. The focus city a
30 Alias1024 : I miss TWA. Growing up in ABQ, they were the only ones with wide body service and a lounge. In a way it made them special to me. Kinda sad to look bac
31 TWFirst : I think they all said 'elite', but the cards were their respective colors (silver/gold/platinum)... I still have all mine, I'll double check.
32 USPIT10L : You're kidding, right? B6 has been using it for three years now as their JFK hub.
33 tharanga : No, they aren't. B6 is using a brand new building for their hub. The old TWA flight center is sitting next to it, unused for the moment. It may somed
34 Braniff747SP : Mine's some shade of blue, I'm travelling at the moment, can't tell you what shade...
35 Braniff747SP : It looks a light-blueish, my cards. If anyone could help me, It would be aprieciated!
36 Tan Flyr : Correct..with service to most major cities in the east including going toe to toe with AA on the ORD-LGA. One was every hour on the hour and the othe
37 B767300ER : My first international flying for TW was BOS-CDG-TLV which was on the L1011 then became a 767-200 route. The a/c flew a domestic JFK-BOS routing to ge
38 B767300ER : The reason for the fuel stop at SNN was not due to the a/c but TW failure to pat in a timely manner the fuel bills in TLV. This did not last long due
39 jfklganyc : It's funny how people are talking about the positive changes TW was making before the end. If you were a NYer, all the changes were negative. They sla
40 milesrich : TWA died for many reasons, but the most important was the St. Louis hub. It just never worked well. For Ozark, with a more limited group of cities, on
41 Tan Flyr : Very true..and from I recall some of the leases there were quite costly. Ok when you have a decent amount of premium traffic to amortize it over, but
42 falstaff : Just service to HNL would be cool. Like the time I flew ORD-STL on a TW L1011. That flight was just about full too.
43 WA707atMSP : I think the two main reasons TWA died were: 1. TWA management made some very poor fleet decisions from the late 1960s onward - buying too many 747s a
44 BMI727 : That got fixed (at a pretty high price) right as the hub died. It did nothing to alter the economics of the situation however. Oddly enough, the alle
45 DesertJets : I agree with you there. I'll add that TWA always seemed to be cash strapped and never really able to undertake a fleet renewal. IIRC Hughes had to se
46 WA707atMSP : One other mistake TWA management made in the 1970s was to spend cash the airline was generating to buy companies outside the airline industry, instead
47 milesrich : I respectufully disagree! When Odyssy Partner first tried to be TWA in the early 80's, the only reason they were interested was that the other proper
48 flyguy89 : Was STL really that huge of a factor in their demise? I never saw anything wrong with TWA having their main hub in STL, I was always under the impres
49 Tan Flyr : Taking into account your comment and the pints that MIlesrich made above...I remember reading TWA annual reports from the 70's. While a number of car
50 nycbjr : OMG WHAT?????
51 WA707atMSP : One final point about TWA: Robert Crandall was employed by TWA from 1966 until 1972, first in Kansas City, then at TWA's 605 Third Avenue headquarters
52 WA707atMSP : I agree with you that the other divisions of Trans World Corporation were very profitable - but in the end, these profits did not help the airline. S
53 Post contains links DocLightning : So Icahn is the elephant in the room that nobody is talking about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA#1995_bankruptcy In 1993, when Icahn left TWA, he a
54 Viscount724 : TWA was also the largest US-Europe operator for years, ahead of Pan Am. Pan Am served more destinations (many as tag-ons) but TWA carried more transa
55 Tan Flyr : Thanks Guys..you made the points I was aiming to make..you did it better!
56 TUNisia : Some other interesting TWA facts: *TWA had their own credit card (not the Mastercard... just the TWA Getaway Card) which was not farmed out to some ba
57 Post contains links milesrich : Blaming Carl Icahn for TWA's troubles is like blaming Eastern's on Frank Lorenzo. Both men drove their respective airlines into the ground, but from
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