Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
AA/B6 Interline Agreement Announced  
User currently offlinethirteenright From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 23281 times:

An April Fools joke, Mr. Barger has lost his mind, or the truth. Whatever the case may be, apparently AA and B6 will announce an international codeshare agreement tomorrow. If this is true, this will definitely upset B6's relationship with LH.

http://bit.ly/9T2HO4

Decide for yourselves.

230 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinetonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 23338 times:

How would AA benefit from this? Will there be domestic code share with JBlue? What about miles program?

User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 23222 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Yowzers!!! BA/IB/AA ATI and now this! This would be quite a response to DL's aggressive play in the NYC market.

Talk about a more feed into JFK and BOS international flights   .

Wonder if B6 might consider moving some of those FLL flights to MIA if this actually pans out to be true?


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7560 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 23161 times:

I do not believe one bit of it.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 22816 times:

Quoting thirteenright (Thread starter):
If this is true, this will definitely upset B6's relationship with LH.

Remember that LH has placed at least two officers on B6's board of directors. There is no way this is happening, it must be an April Fools joke. Though a friend of mine said B6 was going to have an announcement in the spring regarding LH, so it's possible this is it. But while AA has expanded in JFK, they have reduced BOS to a tiny focus city. If I'm wrong, wow. I did not see that coming.



2013 World Series Champions!
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3305 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 22751 times:

Quoting thirteenright (Thread starter):
If this is true, this will definitely upset B6's relationship with LH.

Why? If it increases B6s profits, then it's good for LH and they would support it

People in this forum thinks way too much with their hearts and put too much emphasis on emotions, instead of seeing things from a purely business perspective. And I'm sure LHs management is able to do the latter


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 22627 times:

Great! Now I'm not going to get any sleep tonight wondering if this is true or a April Fool's Joke.


The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 22585 times:

The source for this is a travel blogger who got it from his "trusted sources". The link above is the only form of media coverage online at the moment. It could make for a good April Fools joke but tomorrow (or I guess now, today) is March 31. We should hear within a few hours, if not another day.


2013 World Series Champions!
User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 22570 times:

Well there is mention of Arpey making an announcement about New York

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/a...-and-that-from-the-airline-22.html

AMR/American Airlines chairman Gerard Arpey is going to make some announcement Wednesday "regarding American's ongoing strategy for providing convenient travel from and to New York City," the airline says.

Quote:
Remember that LH has placed at least two officers on B6's board of directors. There is no way this is happening

Which means nothing if those two board members were overruled. Two board members don't give LH total power at B6.

[Edited 2010-03-31 02:45:53]


The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22406 times:

Wow.

Something is definitely going to be announced today. If, indeed, it's a codeshare with JetBlue - all I can say is wow.

That is definitely going to completely change the dynamic at JFK versus Delta. AA+JetBlue combined at JFK would be quite a force to be reckoned with.

According to this source, the deal will also involve the transfer of 8 DCA slots to JetBlue.

Speculation on my part for sure, but if this is true, and if AA is going to be actually giving up slots, then I have to think that this deal is going to involve cash or be fairly deep. This may mean AA handing over the JFK-DCA route to JetBlue (although I find that hard to imagine since Eagle's DCA-JFK flights have traditionally been important for connecting to the international market). Or, it could be Eagle handing DCA-BOS over to JetBlue. If it is DCA-JFK, the interesting thing is that this rumor only mentions the DCA slots, not the JFK slots, which may imply that the hypothetically freed-up JFK-DCA slots could be used for international flying.

Lots of speculation, very interesting.

WFAA here in Dallas is reporting that the announcement should be made around 7am Central, so 8am in New York.


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22290 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 9):
According to this source,

Thats the same link the op posted.  



The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22238 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 10):
Thats the same link the op posted.

Sorry - couldn't get the link in the OP to work on mine. Apologies.


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22206 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 11):
Sorry - couldn't get the link in the OP to work on mine. Apologies.

No problem. I thought you were maybe trying to post a different link.



The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
User currently offlinestillageek From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22064 times:

http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2882

AMERICAN EXPANDS NEW YORK NETWORK SERVICE AND PRESENCE NEW: Thomsonfly (United Kingdom)">BY:

Announcing Partnership with JetBlue Airways for Key East Coast Gateways and More Connections to International Flights
Expanding Marketing Efforts to NYC Travelers, Including a Partnership with NYC & Company
Offering 31 New Flights on 13 New Routes Combined from LaGuardia and JFK by End of Year
Adding Seven New Destinations Served by 23 New Flights Announced Today
Introducing, Enhancing Service with American Eagle Bombardier Two-Class Regional Jets
Investing More Than $30 Million in LaGuardia and JFK Terminal Improvements
Exploring British Airways and American Co-Location at JFK Terminal 8 for Easier Passenger Connections to oneworld Partners
Designating New Officer Dedicated to New York Market

[Edited 2010-03-31 05:05:02]

User currently offlineplanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1007 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22010 times:

Just hit the newswires...

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...-east-coast-gateways-89588957.html

NEW YORK, March 31 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- American Airlines (NYSE: AMR) and JetBlue Airways (Nasdaq: JBLU) today announced an agreement for commercial collaboration that will offer JetBlue customers simple connections to American's international flights from New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK) and Boston's Logan International Airport, where JetBlue is the largest domestic airline, and offer American's customers convenient nonstop domestic flight options on JetBlue from those markets.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 21967 times:

Wow - where to begin?

LaGuardia

. 3-class CR7s to MSP, ATL, RDU and CLT
. More mainline to ORD and MIA
. Renovated concourses C/D and Admirals Club
. Examining ways to link C/D behind security (all I can say is ABOUT TIME!!!)

JFK

. New Eagle ERJs to IND, CVG, and ORF
. 2-class CR7s replacing 2-class ERJs to BOS, DCA and YYZ
. New mainline to FLL
. More mainline to MCO, LAS and MIA
. Expanded Concourse C Admirals Club
. Evaluating PA bid to combine AA/BA ops in T8
. Talks about "new international destinations to be added in 2011" (speculation: AMS, FRA, ARN?)

JetBlue

. AA giving B6 8 slot pairs at DCA + 1 slot pair at HPN
. B6 giving AA 12 slot pairs at JFK
. Talk of interlining - though it doesn't look like codesharing - out of JFK/BOS
. No mention of AAdvantage earn/burn

General

. Art Torno is new AA VP-New York
. AA-BA-IB ATI plan to be implemented "later this year" (I was thinking 2011)

Wow - suddenly weak, timid AA that supposedly getting their head handed to them by DL doesn't look so weak or timid anymore. For AA, this is pretty big stuff.


[Edited 2010-03-31 05:28:20]

User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1861 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 21886 times:

Interesting slot swap in there.

to B6: 8 pairs at DCA, 1 at White Plains
to AA: 12 pairs at JFK

Is that subject to somebody else's approval?

I assume this means that B6 enters DCA-BOS, and Eagle leaves?

Seems like the transatlantic AA-B6 code shares don't overlap with LH routes. Can B6 get away with codesharing with everybody, on selected routes?


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4995 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 21851 times:

Now that's one way to throw down the gauntlet. I wonder if DL will be so keen to give those 5 DCA slots to B6 after this? Looks like AA wasn't quite ready to turn NYC over to DL without a response.


Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 21849 times:

All I have to say is wow. B6 is a great domestic partner airline. Does this mean we will see an increase in international service at JFK for AA?

Where does LH stand now, on all of this?

UAL


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1861 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 21798 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 17):
I wonder if DL will be so keen to give those 5 DCA slots to B6 after this?

Wasn't that US's decision, not DL's? Would this affect B6's eligibility for those slots, under the DOT constraints?

Sounds like B6 is going after unused DCA slots at off-times, as well:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...ton-national-airport-89589192.html


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4995 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21749 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 19):


Wasn't that US's decision, not DL's?

Not sure who decided. The agreement was most likely modified with an "anybody but WN" mindset.



Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently offlinepetteri From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21733 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 16):
Seems like the transatlantic AA-B6 code shares don't overlap with LH routes. Can B6 get away with codesharing with everybody, on selected routes?

This seems like a win/win for all involved. B6 gets the long coveted DCA slots and some feeder traffic to AA international routes. LH just sees additional revenue generation, with out risk to their own trans-Atlantic traffic.

AA boosts their JFK and LGA presence and gets some marketing from an association with fresh brand in B6.

We'll see how this develops as time goes by....



The above comments are my personal comments and in no way should be viewed as the views,policy or statements of JetBlue
User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1861 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21533 times:

Quoting petteri (Reply 21):
This seems like a win/win for all involved. B6 gets the long coveted DCA slots and some feeder traffic to AA international routes. LH just sees additional revenue generation, with out risk to their own trans-Atlantic traffic.

The report says B6 will codeshare on 12 international AA routes, including NRT, BCN and GRU.

So far as I can tell, the existing LH-B6 code shares

B6 side:
BOS to RSW, TPA, PBI, BUF, SJU
JFK to BUF, SYR, ROC, PIT, RDU, AUS, MSY, TPA, FLL, SJU

I don't think there is a currently a B6 code on any LH flight? On the B6 to LH side, it only seems to be a featured interline.

Things like NRT and GRU are no threat to LH. But we'll see about the other destinations - LH would have wanted B6 customers to connect through FRA/MUC to some of them, maybe?


User currently offlinepetteri From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21424 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 22):
I don't think there is a currently a B6 code on any LH flight? On the B6 to LH side, it only seems to be a featured interline.

Things like NRT and GRU are no threat to LH. But we'll see about the other destinations - LH would have wanted B6 customers to connect through FRA/MUC to some of them, maybe?

Exactly. For now, the B6/LH code-share is one sided. Once B6 grows more adept at the Sabre platform I'd expect to see this arrangement grow into a more robust, traditional, code share.

I'm sure LH/B6 did the due diligence and did the route analysis to see where the B6 customers were coming from and going to. I'm guess the few people who'd they lose to AA on those connecting flights is vastly out weighed by the number of people taking B6 into JFK. Even though LH isn't operating these US domestic segments, with their part ownership of B6 they are still getting a piece of the pie, and building on their investment.



The above comments are my personal comments and in no way should be viewed as the views,policy or statements of JetBlue
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21398 times:

Just when everyone on A.net has always been so quick to write AA off they go and keep up the offensive.
As I've said many times before, they are not clueless like many on A.net love to say.

This is coming from a loyal NW and now DL flyer. I'd fly AA more but living in DTW in rarely makes sense. Usually the only time I fly AA is when I'm making trips out of DFW other than to DTW, MSP, or ATL.


25 VictorKilo : Looks like B6 is becoming the AS of the east - You get a codeshare! You get a code share! Everybody gets a code share! Smart strategy.
26 RL757PVD : Wouldn't this announcement help the proposed DL/US transaction since it would in theory increase competition both in NYC and DCA?
27 tharanga : But this gets tricky over time. If LH proceeds with a transatlantic JV with UA/CO/AC, then the due diligence gets ever trickier. So I'm curious to se
28 FlyPNS1 : What I wonder is where is AA getting all the slots for these new LGA routes? I'm guessing some are being stolen from other routes since I don't think
29 RJNUT : A#LH8633 Y4 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 BUFJFK 1137A1259P * EMJ 0E 2*A#LH 411 F7 A7 J9 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 MUC 530P 805A#1 343 0E M9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 L4 i have fou
30 Post contains images elbandgeek : It really is. The LH arrangement really is just an investment. Everyone always talks about B6 and Star but unless they bring overseas flights to the
31 jfk777 : BA give up its beloved terminal 7 at JFK. If BA co-terminal into AA terminal 8 BA would probably demand so much as to be very independent. British Ai
32 JetBluefan1 : Wow! I don't think anyone saw this one coming. My feelings 1.) This is quite a strike back against DL - from both AA and B6. By interlining at both JF
33 tharanga : Hard to say. It's just shuffling the competition around, in both places. AA was far behind US at DCA; now AA and B6 will both be far behind US. Howev
34 Commavia : Absolutely. "Terminal within a terminal" is probably the best way to describe it. And, ironically, with the half-completed way in which T8 has been b
35 contrails : I don't believe it. Someone must have started April Fool's day a little ahead of schedule.
36 FlyPNS1 : It does, but it should be easily approved. I would expect a flight or two to FLL/MCO particularly if they get slots from the US/DL deal.
37 enilria : I expect ZERO JFK flights. I still believe that B6 is trying to get the US Shuttle. YES, but it'll be easy as it actually reduces domination in both
38 nycfly75 : Seems like a BA move to T8 @ JFK would pave the way for DL to take over the T6-7 area.
39 enilria : "LaGuardia to Minneapolis-St. Paul four times daily, to Atlanta seven times daily" So basically this allow AA to retaliate against DL for their new ho
40 enilria : "American also announced it will add twice-daily, nonstop service (from JFK) to and from Fort Lauderdale, Fla., in November and increase daily frequen
41 SeeTheWorld : AA's JFK expansion includes: San Jose, CR, Madrid, and Manchester, UK for international; and Austrin, Ft. Lauderdale, Norfolk, Indianapolis, and Cinci
42 United787 : AA really has grown some in the last couple of months: Fighting DL to keep JAL part of OneWorld! Looking to expand in Asia! Raising the stakes against
43 MiAAmi : It will be interesting also to see where the aircraft for these new mainline flights will come from.[Edited 2010-03-31 07:01:31]
44 tharanga : I agree. They must really think they've grown JFK as far as they can, for the near future. There must also be a few JFK routes that aren't so profita
45 DiverDave : APFA and APA ain't gonna like this one bit. David
46 MasseyBrown : Based on the timing of the investment, I've always felt that the LH interest in B6 was mostly defensive, intended to protect LH in the event of a ter
47 jfklganyc : "This is a major backing away from JFK by B6. When is the last time that an airline transferred away slots at its hub airport to another carrier? Thes
48 surfandsnow : WOW! I don't think too many of us saw this announcement coming. I have to wonder if the DOT won't intervene, though - VX won't be happy about all thes
49 enilria : Tot tell you the truth, they are down so much at JFK already in terms of departures they probably already have excess slots. They may not cut anythin
50 avek00 : I wish the DOT would intervene in an arrangement involving an airline that has a proven track record of reducing costs to the consumer (unlike WN, wh
51 tharanga : Down due to the runway closure, or down otherwise?
52 Atlwest1 : Hmmmm something tells me that DL response will be very interesting. Me smells something with AS perchance? I wonder what this could mean for FL NK and
53 avek00 : Delta can't do much of anything except pray that its cooked-up deal with US and the other conspirators comes to pass. On its surface, the AA/B6 arran
54 Jetlanta : All in all, a pretty dramatic move by AA. But let's not get carried away on how this postions them to compete. They are not announcing a codeshare or
55 Byrdluvs747 : WOW! One has to wonder if DL has awaken the sleeping giant! I just cant see BA allowing T7 to go. Their lease runs until 2015. Could BA possibly keep
56 jfklganyc : "Down due to the runway closure, or down otherwise?" Runway closure. They really aren't down much at JFK. What happens is this: Every time they open a
57 avek00 : ...that, and to stave off the grave threat of a competing German airline -- namely, Air Berlin -- using B6 to build a formidable TATL network.
58 apodino : I don't completely buy that. Yes more of the high yield travelers prefer LGA to JFK but JFK still gets a fair share of O and D traffic. Don't forget
59 enilria : They probably wouldn't admit it's economics, but they were down well before that. They peaked at 182 departures in 2007. This month they have 147.
60 rfields5421 : The Dallas news media / AA Public Relations is running the story as increasing service options from DFW to JFK and BOS. That would also imply that th
61 rjpieces : All I can say is wow. I just read the press releases. The LGA plans are most interesting. A full renovation of Concourse D will probably leave it in p
62 Atlwest1 : Well AirBerlin could easily connect with any multitude of carriers on this shore and be formidable across the atlantic. This AA/B6 deal is very inter
63 enilria : Your comment about Amtrak is pointed, but that makes the problem even worse. The air market is already been severely hurt by Acela (combined with TSA
64 tharanga : If it weren't for the runway work, what do you think it would be? Just a guess. With these numbers, they could give up 12 pairs and still expand the
65 Commavia : Well remember - though - that at the glacial pace this is likely to move, if they started work tomorrow it very well could be 5 years before all the
66 tharanga : JFK serves markets where Amtrak becomes less convenient, going into Long Island. That said, I don't think that and trans-atlantic feed are enough to
67 rjpieces : Does AA really need an expanded Admirals Club already?! It's less than five years old.
68 MAH4546 : Cutting frequencies to DCA, RDU and
69 Jetlanta : Air Berlin is shrinking its international fleet and network. I'm also thinking that B6's minority owner might not be enthused about such an idea.
70 LAXdude1023 : B6 would never be interested in DFW. However, they would jump through hoops the be able to fly from DAL to JFK if they were able to.
71 ThePinnacleKid : Honestly AA has never been nor do I see them ever being a timid carrier. While many have viewed them as being such within the last decade of their ma
72 Post contains images Cubsrule : That's something they've wanted to do for two years. The difference is that before, they had nothing to do with the slots and PANYNJ wouldn't just le
73 Commavia : Live press conference on Facebook now. Arpey speaking: AA and B6 are "exploring" a frequent flyer partnership.
74 jfk777 : Delta has far more space at terminal2 & 3 because the terminal 3 is som long, I can't see how the space at terminal 5 and 6 could be made to park
75 yegbey01 : I think LH only cares about making its investment generate profits. LH doesn't need B6 at all. It already has 4 strong partners in North America with
76 Commavia : More from the press conference: Barger non-answered a question about JetBlue joining oneworld, saying that they are "open" to seeing where the partner
77 ERJ170 : You know, I can't help but think that RDU is going to get really screwed by this announcement. I"m assuming the DCA and LGA slots are probably gonna c
78 Commavia : Arpey on Africa: "Lots of opportunities" in Africa, but likely via partners. "Direct service" improbable for AA at the moment.
79 Atlwest1 : Which means one of two things. We have beaten in that market though rich not enough for two carriers from the US so until it grows a tad more we will
80 tharanga : What partners? BA through London, OK, but in terms of going directly to Africa? Anybody know what % of US-Africa pax are still going via Europe? Cred
81 FlyPNS1 : I don't think AA really knows what to do with these slots, so they are just blowing them on spite routes against DL/US.I still don't see how the cuts
82 MAH4546 : RDU is losing two frequencies to LaGuardia, but all RDU-LGA flights will become 2-class CRJ-700s. AA never returned slots from reduced flying about a
83 Post contains images Jacobin777 : LH already has JV with UA on a few key routes such as ORD, SFO,etc. In what sense? Nothing is going to happen on this end. They also co-dominate JFK-
84 UALWN : Just to clarify: the world "codeshare" does not appear anywhere in any of the press releases. It's just interlining. At least for now.
85 tharanga : Right you are. The thread title threw me off.
86 Post contains links bonusonus : From the JetBlue blog: "Ever wanted to travel to Paris or Tokyo or Buenos Aires with JetBlue? Now you can … sort of! Thanks to our new interline agr
87 UALWN : ...and yet it isn't.
88 tharanga : That list is BCN, BRU, EZE, LHR, MAD, MAN, MXP, CDG, FCO, GRU, NRT, ZRH That looks like all of the AA European destinations from JFK. edit: the B6 bl
89 OA412 : It's not as neither airline will be placing its code on the other's flights.[Edited 2010-03-31 10:04:39]
90 Cubsrule : Perhaps it goes without saying, but AA tried neither LGA nor ATL on the 2-class CR7 (or on the CR7 at all for that matter). The CR7 might be the best
91 RL757PVD : I think the best term would be "streamlined interline"
92 WA707atMSP : AA might also feel that they need to have LGA-MSP nonstops in order to win corporate contracts in New York City. There are a lot of people from Wall
93 rjpieces : Also, I expect we will see a bus connection airside between Terminal 5 and 8. It will be a serious schlep for passengers to take the airTrain to conne
94 PSU.DTW.SCE : This is a key point that is being overlooked in all of the fanfare. The AA-B6 deal does nothing for the NYC based traveler. What it does is give incr
95 tharanga : like the LH, it looks like an interline that's just more visible than usual. jetblue actually tells you to go to lufthansa.com or aa.com.
96 MAH4546 : Nothing is being overlooked because this is just the first part of the agreement. There is more to come. I feel AA might have strategically decided t
97 contrails : I just read the press release on AA's website, so I guess the joke is on me. This is BIG news. I haven't gotten caught up on all the details yet. AA i
98 tharanga : I wonder if there'll be enough people interlining to make it worth the effort. Of course, the effort would make interlining more attractive in the fi
99 flyinryan99 : How about taking it a step further...I know this is radical...but AMR buying jetBlue and running it as a subsidiary...they could run E190s (maybe buy
100 PlanesNTrains : Two words: UNION MELTDOWN.
101 Post contains images Commavia : The word "apocalypse" comes to mind. [Edited 2010-03-31 10:39:51]
102 DCA-ROCguy : Actually, FL LGA-ATL is 9x daily according to current timetable. "Schlep" is the right word at both terminals. Plus going through security again. Wha
103 Cubsrule : Thing is, HPN doesn't really have slots. It has seat count limits. So while it's tough (though not impossible) to use a fraction of a slot, AA may ha
104 Post contains images flyinryan99 : I know! Like I said, would never happen, but I'm sure it could've crossed their minds.
105 RJNUT : with AA's merger/buy out track record , you could count B6 as good as closed down within 5 years!
106 fflyerworld : Interesting news - but did anyone think about the transfer from AA to B6 or vice versa at JFK - what a mess that will be and I certainly would not be
107 MAH4546 : Any analyst that thinks AA's brand new, two-year old $1.3B Taj Mahal terminal at JFK is in dire need of renovation needs to have their head screwed o
108 dfwcre8tive : I wonder if this new level of cooperation could result in AA giving B6 one or both of their gates at DAL's new terminal after the Wright Amendment de
109 fflyerworld : I believe the analyst is directing his observations on AA's trainwreck of a operation at LGA.
110 Post contains images BOStonsox : I was wondering the same thing myself. I mean, AA is really only there to keep WN in check and after Wright it will most likely only go to ORD, MIA,
111 Tommy767 : All I have to say is rather big. This is the ultimate one/two punch for DL from B6 and AA at JFK. And where is AA getting more CR7s from for the LGA r
112 Post contains links SCL767 : I agree, Flightglobal states that, "Oneworld carrier American and low cost carrier JetBlue are already in talks to further expand an interline agreem
113 fflyerworld : Gosh - just thinking - wasn't it only less than 2 years ago that AA flew 5 x daily with mainline equipment from LGA to ATL - and failed miserably - di
114 jfklganyc : "Nothing is being overlooked because this is just the first part of the agreement. There is more to come. I feel AA might have strategically decided t
115 MAH4546 : It did anything but fail miserably. It actually performed quite well until fuel spikes and a travel downturn. The 22 new deliveries starting in June.
116 tharanga : Connecting would be awful at JFK, and even if somewhat less bad at BOS, you still have to exit to the street and then re-clear security before boardi
117 JetBluefan1 : I highly doubt this. If B6 was in DAL, it would be flying to JFK, BOS, and Florida - markets that WN wouldn't necessarily have a huge leg-up on due t
118 fflyerworld : Evidently not... will not happen overnight. Meanwhile it's a trainwreck.
119 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Want to fly International-ORD-domestic on AA or UA? The same thing happens at ORD as well. ALL international arrivals at ORD are at T-5. Domestic AA
120 AA787 : AA seems to be talking to a lot of LCC's about joining OneWorld (hello Gol). Do you think OneWorld may unveil an LCC division of OneWorld? I too thin
121 rjpieces : Agreed. Obviously he wasn't talking about AA's facilities at JFK...
122 SCL767 : OneWorld is focused on quality and not quantity. S7 will join OneWorld next year, and I sincerely hope that AB will join the alliance as well. Both a
123 kiwiandrew : I think for LH that this is actually an opportunity rather than a problem . If it works well it increases the value of their stake , on the other han
124 incitatus : I say demolish T7, pave over the JFK Expressway and extend T8 all the way to old T6.
125 Post contains images LoneStarMike : If B6 is planning to petition DOT for the additional 5 slots in the US/DL deal, (as noted earlier in the thread) then I don't think they could codesh
126 SCL767 : Why not? Does B6 have a large international network at FLL?
127 OP3000 : They could - but there aren't a lot of cities which B6 serves from SoFla that AA doesn't, so not an even sided deal.
128 smoot4208 : I think that pertained only to US/DL Meaning that US couldn't sell the slots to star alliance partner UA since they code-share out of DCA. To my know
129 JetBluefan1 : Great question. Thus far, we all knew that B6 was interested in flying more FLL-Mexico/Central America/Northern South America/Caribbean markets. AA m
130 peanuts : Pretty much sums it up. Any airline really, particularly in the US, is like a crystal wine glass: very fragile. Things can change (break) on a moment
131 PlanesNTrains : Well, the mostly unmentioned carrier in all of this is US. AA/Oneworld might have found portions of US valuable in the alliance, and US certainly is
132 tharanga : Yes. So B6 cannot start codesharing with AA (or anybody else) at DCA. Which they aren't, so it's OK. And these 8 slots keep B6 below the 5% threshold
133 SCL767 : Firstly, B6 will have to increase its domestic network before launching more international flights, IMO. But B6 could potentially operate the VFR rou
134 EGPH : My view is that no self respecting company in the world would make a significant announcement on April 1st, never going to happen.
135 kiwiandrew : Yes , but the USA is way behind the rest of the world , it is still only 31 March there ( actually , isn't it still 31 March in the UK for a couple m
136 LoneStarMike : Ahh.. thanks. It's ok because the two wouldn't be codesharing at DCA but rather at other airports. That's where I got messed up. Thanks for the expla
137 kiwiandrew : It's OK because the two wouldn't be codesharing anywhere . At this point they have announced interlining only . Maybe later they will move to codesha
138 OA412 : Then why did they cancel it? Plenty of airlines had routes that performed well before the fuel spikes and went south after the fuel spikes and downtu
139 enilria : I think they'd only be down 15 flights due to the runway. Their financial performance is the bigger factor. Look at how many JFK-FLLs they used to ru
140 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : This is the best news I have heard in years!!!!! Almost as though AA is using B6 to take back their once robust schedules to the locations that B6 fli
141 OA412 : The announcement has already been made.
142 Post contains images NWA330nut : I don't think that there is anything in this deal (currently) about earning miles on the other airline's flight. I second that! Hopefully everything
143 Jacobin777 : AA have been trying to get ATI with BA for a looooooooooooong time......
144 MAH4546 : Because it was part of a grander scheme to reduce LaGuardia operations at the hopes that the FAA would retire the slots, and AA was planning to park
145 rjpieces : I asked this in the other thread but did not get an answer. Presumably AA will drop its DCA-BOS service and transfer those slots to B6. Could a B6 E-1
146 MAH4546 : There is zero indication as to what AA will drop from DCA. We can't make any such conclusions. In fact, if AA/B6 negotiated this deal with the specif
147 tharanga : OK. I guess we'll know for sure after the runway work is done. Absolutely. But it sounds reasonable that this is how it will end up.
148 MAH4546 : I don't think its reasonable at all. AA has a decent presence at Reagan with flights to key East Coast business markets. BOS is one of those markets,
149 flyby519 : Oooo, those Eagle gates at DCA are tight... I dont know if a 190 could squeeze in there. How about some of those gates AA has further down the concou
150 SATexan : I'll repeat it on your behalf! LGA-ATL did very well. So much that it was upgraded to mainline. LGA-MSP did not do well.[Edited 2010-03-31 15:06:38]
151 tharanga : Well, then, we'll see if B6 wants to start a four-way bloodbath. If AA stays in, then it might be tricky for B6, as they'll be running fewer frequenc
152 ERJ170 : On the contrary, I could see B6 running complementary flights with AA.. basically forming a shuttle service using ERJs and E190s.. My question is, co
153 flyby519 : I agree, and doubt AA will completely drop BOS-DCA. I could see cutting it to 2-3x daily and pumping it up to CRJ700s
154 MAH4546 : I'm not saying it is not in retaliation. All I'm saying is that anybody who tries to argue that the original attempts at LGA-ATL/CLT did poorly is wr
155 avek00 : Not really. The anchor of virtually every successful full-service Euro-carrier strategy for service to the USA involves a formidable presence in the
156 Cubsrule : Why must B6 and US be exclusive? With US cutting back at BOS (in the past 5 years or so) and LGA (with the DL deal), there's hardly any overlap betwe
157 DCA-ROCguy : That would certainly make sense. AA has contracted a lot in these markets, and even just interlining with the dominant carrier from JFK to sun market
158 ca2ohHP : I'm surprised Skyteam hasn't tried to recruit US yet.
159 MAH4546 : FYI guys, these are the schedule reductions at JFK/LGA: LGA-CMH: 6x ERJ -> 5x ERJ LGA-RDU: 11x ERJ -> 9x CR7 LGA-YYZ: 12x ERJ -> 8x CR7 JFK-B
160 smoot4208 : I've said before that I think because of the way that US has its hubs positioned, I think they just need to expand individually to be able to compete
161 flyby519 : Ill bet we hear more regarding AA/B6/US in the near future.[Edited 2010-03-31 16:46:52]
162 Tommy767 : Very well could be the new OW in the making.... I'm thinking by 2011: One World: B6, AA, US, BA, IB, etc STAR: UA/CO, LH, AC, etc. SKY: DL, AF, KL, e
163 OB1504 : I doubt it, but then again, isn't B6 trying to build up MCO as its primary Latin American gateway? AA can cede the lower yielding travelers to B6 and
164 MAH4546 : B6 has been using both Orlando and Fort Lauderdale. When it applied for BOG service, it asked for both, but only was awarded MCO-BOG while Spirit got
165 Post contains links Commavia : Hmmmm - take a look at this on the LaGuardia renovations. Looks/sounds nice.
166 incitatus : I do wonder what would be said in the future if DL gets their hands on T6/7 and ends up with a split terminal operation at JFK. If checked luggage tr
167 Post contains links Blueman87 : http://investor.jetblue.com/phoenix....-newsArticle&ID=1408141&highlight= http://investor.jetblue.com/phoenix....-newsArticle&ID=1408146&a
168 cokepopper : AA doing something illegal? Wouldn't be the first time.
169 fflyerworld : You need to recheck your facts - AA started with mainline and then replaced 2 flts a day with Eagle equipment - then suddenly without much fanfare -
170 fflyerworld : What makes you think that this annoucement today by AA is not related to just that...
171 rjpieces : Yes. There is nothing intrinsically bad about Concourse D. If they give it a full facelift, it can be in good shape for years to come. I hope they do
172 Commavia : It was actually the other way around. It started out as a mix of Eagle and mainline in June of 2005, and then was upgraded to all mainline in June of
173 fflyerworld : Could you please provide that information in real terms - such as the schedule announced by AA - as you say - in 2005 with regional equipment? I reca
174 cws818 : It's not that the Club is antiquated - it just tends to get very crowded.
175 Cubsrule : The route began in June, 2005 as 2x Eagle, 3x mainline. In early 2007 (Commavia, it was between January and April, not June), it went 4x mainline. It
176 jfklganyc : AA to ATL started with ~3 Eagle flights and ~2 mainline. When it switched to all mainline, I think it went down to 4 daily Then it was scrapped.
177 fflyerworld : You tell me? What would you prefer to fly from LGA to ATL - a 757 with potential for AVOD at every seat and 24 F/C seats and flight attendants that a
178 kiwiandrew : Apologies for replying to this OT post , but what would US offer Skyteam ? Hub in CLT , very close to ATL , hub in PHL , very close to JFK , hub in P
179 Cubsrule : You're the one that made the argument. So Delta's attempt at ORD-LGA is also folly? I fly Eagle a fair amount, and I don't believe I've ever run in t
180 fflyerworld : To be flown originally with E175's which are one if not the most comfortable of ALL "connection" equipment types. Let's not get into a p...ing match
181 Cubsrule : It's a 70 seater versus mainline in both cases, isn't it? I agree that the E75 is more comfortable than the CR7, but you cited: ...where the E75 and
182 fflyerworld : Perhaps I misunderstood - however I thought we were comparing LGA - ATL equipment between what AA will fly - CR7's versus DL 757's - How do you compar
183 kiwiandrew : I am curious , if AA and B6 do decide to take this further and go the next step to codeshares is there anything that AA's employees can do to block it
184 OA412 : How so? AA will be using RJs vs DLs mainline aircraft on LGA-ATL and DL will be using Ejets vs AAs mainline aircraft on LGA-ORD. Sorry, but you're re
185 fflyerworld : See reply 182 Delta to my knowledge has never attempted shuttle service between LGA and ORD - However AA has attempted LGA - ATL in the recent past a
186 LAXdude1023 : Well, now they will have B6 to feed flights. That will help in some sense. I dont think they are expecting to clean house with a route like ATL-NYC,
187 NASBWI : Just assuming that you mean MQ flight attendants and not regional flight attendants as a whole, I would guess that all your experiences flying MQ mus
188 MAH4546 : Check your knowledge, then. Delta attempted LGA-ORD service around 2006 or so, in fact I believe it was around the same time AA first tried ATL-LGA.
189 PSU.DTW.SCE : You just don't get it. It is not about equipment, it is about providing service between two of the largest business markets in the country. - AA has
190 PlanesNTrains : They may very well end up all working together. However, in my opinion, AA choosing to deal with B6 gives the inside track to JetBlue. Of course, AA
191 Commavia : LGA-ATL AA 2235 700a-928a S80 AE 4856 900a-1132a ER3 AE 4864 1200p-232p AA 2391 300p-528p AA 2335 710p-938p ATL-LGA AA 2334 700a-903a S80 AA 2378 104
192 peanuts : It may function "beautifully" now, however, its long term viability I'm not so sure about. Star, potentially, is the one Alliance that could see a ma
193 jfk777 : Jetblue and AA should have FF reciprocity since JB flies from so much of non-Miami Florida to New York, Boston and Washington. This consumer would lov
194 texan : Personally? I bring my own entertainment -- iPod and books -- with me, so I rarely use in flight entertainment. That said, I will fly on whichever ai
195 Cubsrule : If you argue that AA is going to fail to CLT/ATL/MSP, I don't see how you can argue that DL is going to succeed to ORD. The only conceivable differen
196 FlyPNS1 : All very true, but doesn't explain why the routes were cancelled. If the routes were so important to corporate contracts and doing so well (as others
197 jfklganyc : I love the comparison of a 175 to a CRJ 700. It's like comparing the newest Apple product to a Gateway 2000. You seriously must be kidding! DL LGA-ORD
198 texan : True, but route decisions are generally made well in advance of the service actually being canceled. If fuel prices were higher when the decision was
199 Post contains images airbazar : Guys. it's an interline agreement. Virtually every network carrier has interline agreements with every other carrier. What's the big deal? Who cares?
200 avek00 : It is. US Airways engages in all sorts of cooperation with various Star Alliance member carriers, including codesharing with Singapore Airlines (some
201 WA707atMSP : If this was the case, then AA would have dropped LGA-DTW a long time ago. As PSU mentioned, AA flies this route to benefit their New York City based
202 tharanga : The slot swap, AA NYC plans and B6 DCA entry are interesting. Agreed that interlining isn't exciting; the initial untrue rumors of a codeshare got th
203 SATexan : Spot on! These are not retaliatory routes to say the least. If AA has ambitions of expanding its base in the NYC area they better cover all the major
204 Post contains images MAH4546 : That being said, I would not be surprised if the routes eventually settle at 5x ATL-LGA and 3x each MSP/CLT-LGA so that the slots can be used to open
205 Post contains images Commavia : They're starting out strong but I doubt these frequencies will hold at this level if the markets last. I agree on around 3-5x daily for each of these
206 Cubsrule : I don't understand why they have not yet started MCI. Between AA's reasonably good following in MCI and the relatively low level of competition, I th
207 BigGSFO : If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Good move by both airlines. I hope this evolves into oneworld membership for Jetblue.
208 SATexan : The capacity cuts are announced after the losses have already been incurred due to fuel spike. Its impossible to adjust capacity and add/cut flights
209 PlanesNTrains : I don't think either is desirable. Which is why I am mildly concerned for US longterm. I wasn't saying that someone would call "Star Alliance". I was
210 STT757 : AA had LGA-HOU-AUS for many years, I think they should bring LGA-HOU back (perhaps 3x daily) and add JFK-IAH 2x daily.
211 crAAzy : There was talk of AA starting MIA-LGA a few years back, but it went to Madision. With the increased numbers at MKE maybe we could see this route actu
212 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : I think you made an error in airport codes....MIA-LGA on AA? Its nearly a shuttle service already there are so many options.
213 AA787 : Pretty sure he meant MKE-LGA
214 Seatback : I have wondered if this route wasn't in WN long term plans for LGA. If AA were to restart this route (which I believe originated in AUS) it could be
215 RJNUT : I assume WS wants to go full content, full GDS type distribution and probably that is the sticking point for WN. They still want people to peck around
216 United1 : US is not part of the Star ATI group (UA, CO, LH, AC, BD, LX, OS, LO, SK and TP). UA and LH already have a joint venture and are adding CO and AC to
217 Post contains links LAXintl : AA put out an employee Q&A about the deal which provides insight. http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/a...merican-airlines-tells-employ.html
218 SeeTheWorld : PHL's importance is that the metropolitan area is the fifth largest in the country with 5.8 million people. It's an O&D market with a lot of reve
219 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Thanks for the info. Perhaps at some point US can get included in the ATI. I understand PHL's importance to US, and of course it's importance to STAR
220 Commavia : A couple of interesting things in there: Does the announcement to give up eight slots at Reagan National to JetBlue mean that AA will be reducing its
221 tharanga : That's just strange. A simple "no, that is not on the horizon right now" would have been non-controversial.
222 Cubsrule : With US* only at 3 daily flights on BNA-DCA, the fifth flight doesn't add much for AA unless they need the capacity Same story with the 8th flight (a
223 Commavia : Exactly. Going from 5 to 4 on BNA is an easy slot cut, and as I said I agree that going from 8 to 7 or even 6 is also fairly easy on RDU. Who knows?
224 FutureUScapt : You could make the same argument about any one of the umpteen *A carriers with hubs in central Europe too, tough. Just because US is not one of the a
225 Blueman87 : congrads to AA and B6 i hope B6 enjoys AA int'l and AA enjoys B6 domestic i know B6 wanted a code sheare for while is the booking on jetBlue goin to c
226 ERJ170 : You know, I'm okay with reduced frequency on some of the high frequency routes and reducing frequency by upping aircraft, but what ticks me off the m
227 flyguy1 : Some interesting points from this blog. JFK-MIA will get 2 new frequencies, for a total of 8. JFK-LHR will get 1 more frequency, for a total of 6. I
228 Blueman87 : is any airline firing people over this agreement???
229 ckfred : Here's my question. What do Eagle's pilots think of the AA/B6 codeshare? Prior to 9/11, Eagle flew to a number of the domestic destinations in New Eng
230 kiwiandrew : It's not a codeshare ... yet . At this stage it is still just an interline agreement . I have to admit that I wonder how AA/Eagle staff will react if
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
New Service To GRR To Be Announced Tues posted Mon Jul 27 2009 08:57:16 by Venuscat2
To Be Announced YUL-GVA For Summer 09? posted Fri Oct 31 2008 14:16:52 by Beijing21
FlightBlogger: New Gulfstream To Be Announced 3/13 posted Wed Mar 12 2008 07:17:53 by NYC777
New Oneworld Member To Be Announced posted Fri Jan 18 2008 06:13:43 by KL808
New NWA FA Uniforms To Be Announced Next Month posted Fri Nov 16 2007 15:12:29 by FWAERJ
1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon" posted Sun Jun 24 2007 11:53:48 by Flying-Tiger
YEG-FRA To Be Announced. posted Tue Oct 24 2006 20:03:40 by Wolsingerjet
New Destination To Be Announced From Peoria On Wed posted Sat Sep 9 2006 19:16:54 by FlyPeoria
More To Be Announced For Airbus? posted Fri Jul 21 2006 12:04:33 by Manni
Big LH Long Range Order To Be Announced In March posted Tue Feb 28 2006 00:44:04 by Bolu340