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User currently offlineYazoo From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 487 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9907 times:

I think it's already been announced a few months ago.
JetBlue to Launch Service at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport

[Edited 2010-03-31 17:40:24 by srbmod]


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User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9894 times:

Complementary discussion here
AA/B6 Major Codeshare To Be Announced? (by thirteenright Mar 30 2010 in Civil Aviation)

They'll be using the slots they get from AA as part of the deal discussed there.

It'll be interesting to see if they maintain the same capacity at IAD, or draw that down a bit.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 977 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9641 times:

Will this hurt the DL/US Slot Swap deal? JetBlue is very much involved with it.


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User currently offlineKLXA380 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9558 times:

Will they be launching more destinations?


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User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9544 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 1):
It'll be interesting to see if they maintain the same capacity at IAD, or draw that down a bit.

I have always found B6's focus city at IAD to be a bit peculiar. Aside from the obvious links to hubs at BOS, JFK, MCO, FLL, and LGB, there is currently service to OAK, CUN, and SJU. B6 is the only carrier that serves OAK n/s, and if B6 can make that one work, I don't see why they haven't been able to keep flights to the big Florida resort markets (RSW and PBI) around - there has to be considerable demand for those high-end destinations from the wealthy suburbanites and many businesses around IAD. As for CUN and SJU, B6 competes against entrenched incumbents UA and AA on the SJU route and UA and DL on the CUN route - I don't see why they haven't tried NAS, SDQ, etc. which they would have all to themselves. B6 obviously won't be able to serve the likes of LGB, OAK, or CUN from DCA, so I imagine the IAD operation will more or less stay as it is now.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 2):
Will this hurt the DL/US Slot Swap deal? JetBlue is very much involved with it.

I doubt it. It's not like FL and NK don't have quite a few slots at LGA already...



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9433 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 4):
there has to be considerable demand for those high-end destinations from the wealthy suburbanites and many businesses around IAD.

The connection between DC and PBI/RSW is actually pretty weak. UA doesn't even bother with PBI. UA only flies IAD-RSW seasonally on the weekends. PBI is more popular with the New York crowd and RSW is more popular with the midwestern crowd.

B6 hasn't done particularly well at IAD. They abandoned IAD-LAS and IAD-SAN and they've retreated significantly on IAD-JFK. Here's JetBlue's January traffic numbers at IAD for the past four years:

January 2007: 114,722
January 2008: 108,623
January 2009: 100,580
January 2010: 77,731

Some of this is the economy/fuel, but not all of it. Of course, WN and FL haven't had great success at IAD either.


User currently offlineFreakyDeaky From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 132 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9364 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
The connection between DC and PBI/RSW is actually pretty weak. UA doesn't even bother with PBI. UA only flies IAD-RSW seasonally on the weekends. PBI is more popular with the New York crowd and RSW is more popular with the midwestern crowd.

B6 hasn't done particularly well at IAD. They abandoned IAD-LAS and IAD-SAN and they've retreated significantly on IAD-JFK. Here's JetBlue's January traffic numbers at IAD for the past four years:

January 2007: 114,722
January 2008: 108,623
January 2009: 100,580
January 2010: 77,731

Some of this is the economy/fuel, but not all of it. Of course, WN and FL haven't had great success at IAD either.

I've never understood this - especially in light of the fact that at least 5 of the top 25 wealthiest counties in the nation surround IAD. Loudoun, Prince William, Stafford, Alexandria, Fairfax Counties in VA, and others in MD - such as Montgomery etc.



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User currently onlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3448 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9262 times:

IAD is just a pain in th a** to fly out of.

1. You need to drive there.
2. Once you get there, it is a large confusing maze to get to your gate. This maze always included different types of Jetson Buses, signs, escalators, and lot's of walking. Now the AeroTrain is added to the mix!

Now compare that to DCA where you take the train from downtown in 10 min and are at your gate 10 min after that.

People go to IAD when they have to.


User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9263 times:

Wow, this is great! And if they get those 5 additional arrivals and departures from the US/DL deal, jetBlue will have quite an operation at DCA!

Question though: what routes/frequencies is AA cutting back on for this?

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 4):
UA and DL on the CUN route

I didn't know DL flies IAD-CUN! When did this start?

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
Of course, WN and FL haven't had great success at IAD either.

Why do you think this is? Beats me...


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9185 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 7):
1. You need to drive there.

But the point is that there are several affluent areas for whom IAD is as convenient, or more convenient. And not just bedroom communities; there is business there too.

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 8):
Wow, this is great! And if they get those 5 additional arrivals and departures from the US/DL deal, jetBlue will have quite an operation at DCA!

That will greatly determine what B6 does. I'm guessing top priority to BOS, then FLL or MCO. maybe something to JFK, timed for connections.

B6 is also asking for currently unused DCA slots; late night and early morning.

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 8):

Question though: what routes/frequencies is AA cutting back on for this?

the 6x or so BOS-DCA?


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9165 times:

Quoting FreakyDeaky (Reply 6):
I've never understood this - especially in light of the fact that at least 5 of the top 25 wealthiest counties in the nation surround IAD. Loudoun, Prince William, Stafford, Alexandria, Fairfax Counties in VA, and others in MD - such as Montgomery etc.

A few issues:

1) Much of that wealth uses DCA for a lot of its domestic travel. Plus, much of the government/business travel is located closer to DCA than IAD.

2) Many of those wealthy are government/business travelers who are tied into traveling with legacy carriers (UA heavily).

Here's UA's numbers at IAD for the past four years (UA + Express carriers):

January 2007: 1,289,950
January 2008: 1,126,229
January 2009: 1,085,456
January 2010: 1,115,136

Despite the economic downturn and UA's problems, they've held up very well at IAD. This is in large part because of the strong lock they have on the business/government travel.

3) The population of those outlying counties (closest to IAD) is still pretty sparse. Sure, Loudoun County is quite wealthy, but still only has a population of a little over 300K.


User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8994 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
UA doesn't even bother with PBI.

They don't even fly there anymore, and it doesn't look like they have any interest in going back.

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 8):
I didn't know DL flies IAD-CUN! When did this start?

DL started doing a whole bunch of seasonal weekend flying down to CUN from all over the country in the past few years. They now serve CUN from 15 - yes, 15 - cities: ATL, BOS, CVG, DTW, BDL, IND, LAX, MEM, MKE, MSP, BNA, MCO, RDU, SLC, and IAD! Of course, you probably see triple or quadruple the number of DL flights on a Spring Break Saturday than a summer Tuesday. Ironically enough, DL can't even serve its JFK hub - B6, AA, and CO hold the only 3 New York area-CUN frequencies. I'm a little surprised DL hasn't given TPA-CUN a try - if anyone could do it, it would be them! I would also think they could pull off flights to CMH, FLL, PIT, and SAN, but that's just me.

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 8):
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
Of course, WN and FL haven't had great success at IAD either.

Why do you think this is? Beats me...

I think this has a lot to do with their Washington-area priorities - both have invested a lot into developing BWI focus cities/hubs, and of course both wouldn't mind getting slots at DCA. For both airlines, IAD is a mere afterthought.

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 8):
Wow, this is great! And if they get those 5 additional arrivals and departures from the US/DL deal, jetBlue will have quite an operation at DCA!

Question though: what routes/frequencies is AA cutting back on for this?

Now that AA has focused on DFW/ORD/MIA/LAX/NYC (JFK and LGA) they don't need to keep p2p routes around. I'm sure they can easily cut back on the flying from DCA to BNA, RDU, BOS, and STL.

Quoting tharanga (Reply 9):
Quoting rjpieces (Reply 8):
Wow, this is great! And if they get those 5 additional arrivals and departures from the US/DL deal, jetBlue will have quite an operation at DCA!

That will greatly determine what B6 does. I'm guessing top priority to BOS, then FLL or MCO. maybe something to JFK, timed for connections.

B6 is also asking for currently unused DCA slots; late night and early morning.

If they get 8, I'm sure 7 or all 8 will be used to develop as competitive a BOS "shuttle" service as possible to compete against DL and US (1 slot could be used for a token flight to JFK to maximize connections). Should they get 13, then they could offer a full shuttle schedule to BOS, as well as a decent schedule to New York (JFK, or MAYBE even LGA - how about B6 offering 7x daily to LGA and 6x daily to BOS)? I would think the off-peak hour slots would be perfect for the leisure markets - MCO, FLL, maybe even MSY, TPA, RSW, PBI, or NAS, since timings for those flights aren't as critical as the Northeastern business markets.



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User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8991 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 9):
the 6x or so BOS-DCA?

I would assume so. This would make it natural for B6 to step in here.


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Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8472 times:

Could jetBlue's E-190s use one of AA's RJ gates at DCA??? Or is the area too tight?

User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8447 times:

Would AA really have any desire to continue the route? It certainly makes them money. But once B6 adds BOS-DCA service I am going on it. Imagine getting to do both the famous River Visual and Runway 4 approaches in the same trip?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8349 times:

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 2):
Will this hurt the DL/US Slot Swap deal? JetBlue is very much involved with it.

No, but it is a clear indication that JetBlue realizes that it needs to take other routes to gain DCA access. I don't believe DOT will approve the US/DL swap.



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User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8290 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
No, but it is a clear indication that JetBlue realizes that it needs to take other routes to gain DCA access. I don't believe DOT will approve the US/DL swap.

But the deal could add to DL's desire to get more NYC slots.

At which point, DL and US could swallow the bitter medicine and play along with the DOT's rules.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8273 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 16):
But the deal could add to DL's desire to get more NYC slots.

At which point, DL and US could swallow the bitter medicine and play along with the DOT's rules.

Indeed, it adds fuel to the fire. But DOT's rules will likely give slots to Southwest, and I don't know if that is a trade-off Delta is willing to take. Though that is less significant than the fact that DOT's rules significantly erode the benefit received at Reagan by US Airways.



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2980 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8200 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
I don't believe DOT will approve the US/DL swap.

I completely agree with you. And apparently the management at JetBlue does too.

JetBlue has big plans for DCA. It doesn't want 8 slot pairs. Not 13 slot pairs. JetBlue realizes that the DOT will not approve the US/DL swap, and JetBlue will get even more slots after that. By endorsing the deal, JetBlue was sending a virtual middle finger to WN - which got screwed in the proposed deal, but at the same time, was "balsy" enough to challenge JetBlue at BOS - which JetBlue is growing like crazy. Because of that, I think that with 13 slot pairs at a minimum, JetBlue's DCA operation would look like this:

9x BOS
2x JFK
1x FLL
1x MCO

JetBlue has made it very clear that BOS will continue to grow and it will do anything it takes to fight WN. I certainly would not be surprised to see BOS-PHL, but I think JetBlue doesn't want to piss US off right now - especially since US is involved with the DCA slot transfer from DL. As soon as it's approved, I expect B6 to also launch BOS-PHL. Smart? I don't know. A message? Yes, loud and clear.

If B6 was to get additional slots at DCA, I could potentially see daily flights to BDA (summer) and daily flights to RSW or PBI (winter). Maybe additional frequencies to FLL and MCO, and potentially even JFK if they get enough slots to support a competitive schedule (at least 5x). It all depends on what kind of deals they can work out. Will the legacies (some of which have "given up" on DCA, such as DL) allow B6 to do this? Will legacies be less loyal to each other? AA partnering up with B6 - an LCC. Hmmm....will CO partner with FL? They already did do a slot-swap. Hmmm.

Don't forget that B6 hasn't been terribly successful at IAD. Despite its rather profitable BOS route, JFK capacity has been cut drastically - down to 2x! (I expect JFK to be dropped as soon as DCA-JFK is started.) Saturday-only flights to CUN and SJU have been miserable; I'm pretty sure SJU was cut all together. Why B6 couldn't make a go at this daily is beyond me - it's a large market. But whatever, they didn't really care about it. MCO hasn't grown beyond its launch capacity of 2x. FLL has been going between 2x-4x (summer-winter) for a few years now, and it does rather decently. OAK is down to 1x and LGB is down to 2x this summer (which used to be 3x and 4x, respectively). SAN/SMF/LAS/RSW and PBI (TWICE!) have all been discontinued. That wouldn't be such a large number, except for the fact that it's about HALF of the markets B6 has tried flying to from IAD.

Just my $.02.

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User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8079 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 18):
SAN/SMF/LAS/RSW and PBI (TWICE!) have all been discontinued. That wouldn't be such a large number, except for the fact that it's about HALF of the markets B6 has tried flying to from IAD.

Don't forget about BUR! They also flew a few one offs to/from ORD for Obama's Presidential Inauguration - an interesting move that could have suggested at least some interest in giving that route a try? Maybe things will improve a bit for IAD ops once they get into DCA - I feel they may try to pursue a metro area multi-airport strategy a la New York and LA..



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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1305 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8031 times:

If anything, this will HELP the slot swap deal go through. I am willing to wager a substantial amount of money that both DL and US knew about this. (Probably why US fired back with only wanting to sell 5 DCA slots). The DOT's goal has been met in DCA with now 13 B6 flights.

Quoting Yazoo (Thread starter):
JetBlue has made it very clear that BOS will continue to grow and it will do anything it takes to fight WN. I certainly would not be surprised to see BOS-PHL, but I think JetBlue doesn't want to piss US off right now - especially since US is involved with the DCA slot transfer from DL. As soon as it's approved, I expect B6 to also launch BOS-PHL. Smart? I don't know. A message? Yes, loud and clear.

I would have agreed with you before WN announced the route. US clearly has the loyalty on the route. However there is enough O&D for an LCC to make it work as well. If B6 were to enter that market I would expect either B6 or WN to toss in the towel within a year. If you want proof of that, look at the yields for BOS-BWI


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2980 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8029 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 20):
I would have agreed with you before WN announced the route. US clearly has the loyalty on the route. However there is enough O&D for an LCC to make it work as well. If B6 were to enter that market I would expect either B6 or WN to toss in the towel within a year. If you want proof of that, look at the yields for BOS-BWI

The thing is that this would be under different conditions. There are several reasons B6 would launch BOS-PHL. (I'm not saying it's the smartest idea, but I understand their logic.)

a.) US has continued to decrease its flying from BOS. Many loyal US customers have switched over to B6, which has been expanding at BOS (especially business markets) hand over fist.

b.) B6 needs to do whatever possible to show WN that it won't step back and watch as it takes market share at BOS. I bet B6 wishes it had chosen MDW over ORD, this way it could increase frequency on BOS-MDW (as opposed to the 3x BOS-ORD will have this summer).

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User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7875 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 20):
The DOT's goal has been met in DCA with now 13 B6 flights.

I don't see it that way. I think the DOT doesn't want US to have as many slots as it would end up with. That B6 ends up with 13 doesn't help that.


User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5244 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 7744 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
January 2007: 114,722
January 2008: 108,623
January 2009: 100,580
January 2010: 77,731
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 10):
Here's UA's numbers at IAD for the past four years (UA + Express carriers):

January 2007: 1,289,950
January 2008: 1,126,229
January 2009: 1,085,456
January 2010: 1,115,136

Wow. So we're looking at a 14% drop in traffic for UA, but a whopping 33% drop in traffic for B6. By the way, where did you find this info? Is it readily available on the airport authority's website?

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 7):
Once you get there, it is a large confusing maze to get to your gate.

I found IAD very easy to use, even during construction. IIRC, B6 operates out of B concourse which is very easily navigable and is connected to the main terminal building via an underground walkway with well laid out signage.



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User currently offlineIADCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1274 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 7738 times:

Quoting FreakyDeaky (Reply 6):
I've never understood this - especially in light of the fact that at least 5 of the top 25 wealthiest counties in the nation surround IAD. Loudoun, Prince William, Stafford, Alexandria, Fairfax Counties in VA, and others in MD - such as Montgomery etc.

Minor point: Alexandria's a city, not a county.

Slightly more major point: Alexandria, most of the money areas in PW, Arlington, and a good amount of the wealthy areas in Fairfax are either much closer to DCA or located along easier transport routes thereto. Stafford's a damn long way from both of them. A lot of folks I know there often fly out of RIC since the drive down 95 is much easier than the drive up 95 to DCA or up and around the Beltway/Toll Road to IAD. My parents live in the extreme north part of Arlington - basically McLean. Even then, driving to DCA is easier, and that's taking the Metro out of the equation. Depending on the time of day, even getting from McLean to IAD is a bear - and then you have to park, deal with getting to the gate, etc.

A final anecdotal point: I'm from DC. I know a fair amount of people there, many of whom have a hell of a lot more money than I do. Those people don't go to Florida unless it's far south Florida in the dead of winter. They often go Caribbean. These are the same folks who thumb their noses at LCCs anyway. Can you tell how much I agree with them?

People with less money tend to just do beach vacations in the summer - at the VA, MD, and DE beaches. There's a narrow window in December for flights to South Florida, but that seems to be about it. Again, this is all anecdotal, so I can hardly claim any authority - just trying to help out since you seemed legitimately curious.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 11):
I think this has a lot to do with their Washington-area priorities - both have invested a lot into developing BWI focus cities/hubs, and of course both wouldn't mind getting slots at DCA. For both airlines, IAD is a mere afterthought.

I think a lot of this is actually DCA effect. I don't have numbers here (wish I did), but DCA essentially kills yields on within-perimeter flights. It's a more convenient airport for business traffic (which, while not the core of LCC business, has certainly been an increasing focus). People traveling domestically from the inner suburbs and the city itself (as most businesspeople will be) vastly prefer DCA for destinations it offers - again, unfortunately, anecdotally. Considering both WN and FL generally make their money on routes within permitted DCA stage length, the ability of any DCA slotholder - particularly US - to hit any potential "core" potential WN or FL destinations that might open from IAD serves as a powerful incentive against expansion. Basically, it's this: LCCs don't do well at IAD because they focus on short flights with mainline-size planes. Because those short flights (and basically, ONLY them) face nonstop constraints from DCA, they just can't fill the planes with sufficient yields from IAD. Fly longer flights, and maybe you'd have a chance.


25 smoot4208 : The DOT could always modify what their goal is, but as of right the number of flights going to LCCs will be what they want. I also see that B6 was ab
26 smoot4208 : However if the slot swap deal goes through, I would fully expect B6 to announce DCA-BOS as DL and maybe AA would be be axing the route
27 LHCVG : One thing I'd be interested to know, is how much of the biz/gov't traffic using DCA is on extant contracts with legacies. As in, certainly there is s
28 tharanga : I could be wrong, but I thought most of DL's LGA slots were bought or traded for somehow, as opposed to being granted by the authorities. I could be
29 Post contains links FlyPNS1 : But that's only because they gave up slots at EWR/JFK. It wasn't because they purchased them. WN doesn't have any slots to trade and the legacies won
30 OA412 : Excellent, thanks!
31 Flytravel : If B6 were to offer BOS-DCA, wouldn't it be less reason to continue BOS-BWI? -Bostonites looking to reach DC would have easier access now, to fly to D
32 tharanga : Does anybody know what the loads and yields on BOS-BWI are?
33 NASBWI : Disregard that last post; I dunno what happened with the quote function, but I'll try again: I don't know what the specifics are, but all fingers poin
34 Post contains images deltal1011man : No, They just want more than 5 slots. yea no way does B6 want 13 slots at DCA. This is th back up plan
35 rjpieces : Still not sure about this one: Could jetBlue's E-190s fit at one of the RJ gates that American Eagle uses? If not, I assume they are destined to be in
36 Blueman87 : Maybe they can have 5 JFK 5 BOS 2 MCO 1 FLL so it might work the Florida routes could be visa versa it would benifit if they can compete with US Airwa
37 Blueman87 : i agree but had differant route plans i would think JFK and BOS would have similar Flights to compete with the Delta Shuttle and US shuttle and sprea
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