c5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4958 times:
I was looking at the a/c detail for the MD-90 and noticed the -50 had a range with standard pax config. of ~3000nm. I looked at the DL timetables and saw that the longest route they have it on is CVG-OAK, until it is disc. on Apr. 5. If DL has the -50, why wouldn't they want to utilize it for transcon routes to try and maximize it's use?
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nycbjr From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 447 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4924 times:
I don't think any 50's were manufactured, only offered for sale.. My memory could be fading on that one tho.
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6084 posts, RR: 56 Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4928 times:
Only MD-90-30s were ever built.......for ANY airline. Therefore DL has the MD-90-30.
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EA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10 Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4721 times:
Quoting c5load (Thread starter): If DL has the -50, why wouldn't they want to utilize it for transcon routes to try and maximize it's use?
As other posters have said, the -50 was unfortunately never built. As well, DL has a sizable number of 738s that are much more efficient on the longer routes. They also have A320s now too.
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SPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2096 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4417 times:
beertrucker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 400 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4308 times:
Delta has a
DC-9-50
they also have
MD-90-30
Mad Dog never made an MD-90-50. It was done on paper just never built.
c5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4199 times:
dtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1048 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4164 times:
Delta's "New" MD-90, N919DN (former AMC),will be an ER with about 250nm extra range over the others.
FX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4107 times:
Quoting c5load (Reply 6): Quoting beertrucker (Reply 5):
It was done on paper just never built.
Thanks, I didn't know they didn't build the -50s. With a proposed range of ~3000nm, why didn't either MD opt to build, or, any airlines opt for them?
McD didn't have many buyers for the MD90 anyways. When Boeing took over they were not going to put it up against the 737. So why get an MD90 when you could just get a 737 or A32X that can do the job. Don't get me wrong though I love the look of them. Heck I even have 4 models of MD90's painted in my version of the "NEW" Eastern.
PC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2239 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4008 times:
FX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3774 times:
Bluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3139 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3662 times:
Wasn't the MD-90-50 to be the MD-95? The MD-95 became the 717-200 ...
Hopefully I'll be able to get shots of DL's MD-90s at LAX the next time I'm there ...
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The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6084 posts, RR: 56 Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3656 times:
deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8590 posts, RR: 8 Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3621 times:
Quoting The777Man (Reply 12): No, the MD-90-50 was suppsoed to be longer than the -30 if I recall correctly. There was also another version of the MD-90 proposed but never built.
And the M95 was going to be a short DC-9 replacement.
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beertrucker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 400 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3422 times:
Quoting The777Man (Reply 12): No, the MD-90-50 was suppsoed to be longer than the -30 if I recall correctly. There was also another version of the MD-90 proposed but never built.
md80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2623 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2495 times:
Quoting FX1816 (Reply 8): So why get an MD90 when you could just get a 737 or A32X that can do the job.
That's like saying "why get a Porsche when you could just get a Gremlin or Pacer that can do the job." Makes sense, if that's the direction you want to take your company's product (lowest common denominator).
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6084 posts, RR: 56 Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2464 times:
Quoting beertrucker (Reply 14): Your close. It was not an longer just more miles
Thanks for the link. I do remember there was talk of a stretched aircraft; perhaps that was the MD-90-20 ?
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FX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2034 times:
Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 15): Quoting FX1816 (Reply 8):
So why get an MD90 when you could just get a 737 or A32X that can do the job.
That's like saying "why get a Porsche when you could just get a Gremlin or Pacer that can do the job." Makes sense, if that's the direction you want to take your company's product (lowest common denominator).
Well with that very simplistic view yes but let's ask all of the airlines that operate 737's and/or A32x's and see how that's turned out. As I said before I like the MD90 but come on how many airlines operate them?
md80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2623 posts, RR: 11 Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1945 times:
The MD-90 was most hurt by MD financial situation, and certainly not the quality of their products. If both companies had similar business positions, where the birds could be compared on a level playing field, I doubt we'd be seeing as many 737 around the world. Airlines were spooked by MD's resources and corporate longevity.
Anyone who has ridden on any of the three planes mentioned will most certainly choose the MD-90 if they could. The MD-95 is right up there with it if you ask me.
Besides, I am a huge fan of MD, and when I see a topic concerning any of their frames I am likely to chime in.
dtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1048 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1905 times:
A little off topic. but have a look at what Delta's doing to the DC-9-50
jbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 509 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1612 times:
DL does not and has not served CVG-OAK non-stop, it has to be a 1 stop via SLC or MSP direct flight.
KingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1579 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1546 times:
Quoting dtw9 (Reply 19): A little off topic. but have a look at what Delta's doing to the DC-9-50
Serious? I hadn't heard anything about that but it sounds pretty cool.
LMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1482 times:
Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 18): The MD-90 was most hurt by MD financial situation, and certainly not the quality of their products. If both companies had similar business positions, where the birds could be compared on a level playing field, I doubt we'd be seeing as many 737 around the world. Airlines were spooked by MD's resources and corporate longevity.
Airlines were spooked by the reliability of the MD-90 and not much by MD financial situation or corporate longevity. Delta had options for a 115 MD-90's, they choose not to exercise them because of the poor geniality of the type when it entered into service. There's no doubt in my mind that other airlines noticed this in particular American.
If the MD-90 had been a workhorse for Delta right out of the box instead of an albatross there would have been a good chance AA ordering it. It would have been much cheaper to buy an aircraft that had the same type rating as the 80. Along with being pretty much the same aircraft from a maintenance perspective.
dtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1048 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1442 times:
Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 21): Serious? I hadn't heard anything about that but it sounds pretty cool.
I know it was posted on April 1st, but this is no joke. As long as the flight tests live up to expectations, the DC-9-50's will begin modifications this summer
mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9194 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1407 times:
Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 18): Anyone who has ridden on any of the three planes mentioned will most certainly choose the MD-90 if they could. The MD-95 is right up there with it if you ask me.
Just from a ramp standpoint, ask anyone who has worked both 737s and DC-9s/MD-80s/90s which they would rather work. I'd be willing to bet that it's at least 90% in favor of the 737. Even as short as I am, the 9s were a pain to work and actually, you had to usually do it alone as there wasn't room for more than one to work it. Everything is just so much more convenient on the 737, even the weight and balance.
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25 seabosdca: That might be true if the Gremlin or Pacer had better performance than the Porsche... the 738 and A320 have similar operating economics to the MD-90
26 n471wn: Sadly 3 two year old MD-90's in ProAir Livery were scrapped for lack of any buyers a few years ago-----Delta had a chance to get them for peanuts and
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