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DL's MD-90s, Which Models Are They?  
User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5900 times:

I was looking at the a/c detail for the MD-90 and noticed the -50 had a range with standard pax config. of ~3000nm. I looked at the DL timetables and saw that the longest route they have it on is CVG-OAK, until it is disc. on Apr. 5. If DL has the -50, why wouldn't they want to utilize it for transcon routes to try and maximize it's use?


"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
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User currently offlinenycbjr From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5866 times:

I don't think any 50's were manufactured, only offered for sale.. My memory could be fading on that one tho.

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6577 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

Only MD-90-30s were ever built.......for ANY airline. Therefore DL has the MD-90-30.

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5663 times:

Quoting c5load (Thread starter):
If DL has the -50, why wouldn't they want to utilize it for transcon routes to try and maximize it's use?

As other posters have said, the -50 was unfortunately never built. As well, DL has a sizable number of 738s that are much more efficient on the longer routes. They also have A320s now too.



We often judge others by their actions, but ourselves by our intentions.
User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5359 times:

Quoting c5load (Thread starter):
If DL has the -50,

Are you thinking of the DC-9-50? They have those.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlinebeertrucker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5250 times:

Delta has a
DC-9-50
they also have
MD-90-30

Mad Dog never made an MD-90-50. It was done on paper just never built.



Fly HI
User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

Quoting beertrucker (Reply 5):
It was done on paper just never built.

Thanks, I didn't know they didn't build the -50s. With a proposed range of ~3000nm, why didn't either MD opt to build, or, any airlines opt for them?



"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1160 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5106 times:

Delta's "New" MD-90, N919DN (former AMC),will be an ER with about 250nm extra range over the others.

User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5049 times:

Quoting c5load (Reply 6):
Quoting beertrucker (Reply 5):
It was done on paper just never built.

Thanks, I didn't know they didn't build the -50s. With a proposed range of ~3000nm, why didn't either MD opt to build, or, any airlines opt for them?

McD didn't have many buyers for the MD90 anyways. When Boeing took over they were not going to put it up against the 737. So why get an MD90 when you could just get a 737 or A32X that can do the job. Don't get me wrong though I love the look of them. Heck I even have 4 models of MD90's painted in my version of the "NEW" Eastern.

FX1816


User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2445 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4950 times:

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 8):

Nice! I have the same idea with TWA livery in mind.



Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4716 times:

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 9):
Quoting FX1816 (Reply 8):


Nice! I have the same idea with TWA livery in mind.

Yup I even have a TWA MD90 in the twin stripe 1980's livery too along with my "NEW" Eastern MD87, 4 MD90's, 2 A300's and 2 763's with winglets.

I do hope that the MD90 sticks around for a long time though, I love the t-tail and it would be a shame to have that disappear.

FX1816


User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

Wasn't the MD-90-50 to be the MD-95? The MD-95 became the 717-200 ...

Hopefully I'll be able to get shots of DL's MD-90s at LAX the next time I'm there ...



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6577 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4598 times:

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 11):

Wasn't the MD-90-50 to be the MD-95?

No, the MD-90-50 was suppsoed to be longer than the -30 if I recall correctly. There was also another version of the MD-90 proposed but never built.

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9508 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 12):
No, the MD-90-50 was suppsoed to be longer than the -30 if I recall correctly. There was also another version of the MD-90 proposed but never built.

And the M95 was going to be a short DC-9 replacement.



yep.
User currently offlinebeertrucker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 12):
No, the MD-90-50 was suppsoed to be longer than the -30 if I recall correctly. There was also another version of the MD-90 proposed but never built.

Your close. It was not an longer just more miles.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/md-90/product.html



Fly HI
User currently offlinemd80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 8):
So why get an MD90 when you could just get a 737 or A32X that can do the job.

That's like saying "why get a Porsche when you could just get a Gremlin or Pacer that can do the job." Makes sense, if that's the direction you want to take your company's product (lowest common denominator).   

[Edited 2010-04-01 08:36:48]

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6577 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3406 times:

Quoting beertrucker (Reply 14):
Your close. It was not an longer just more miles

Thanks for the link. I do remember there was talk of a stretched aircraft; perhaps that was the MD-90-20 ?

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 15):
Quoting FX1816 (Reply 8):
So why get an MD90 when you could just get a 737 or A32X that can do the job.

That's like saying "why get a Porsche when you could just get a Gremlin or Pacer that can do the job." Makes sense, if that's the direction you want to take your company's product (lowest common denominator).

Well with that very simplistic view yes but let's ask all of the airlines that operate 737's and/or A32x's and see how that's turned out. As I said before I like the MD90 but come on how many airlines operate them?

FX1816


User currently offlinemd80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

The MD-90 was most hurt by MD financial situation, and certainly not the quality of their products. If both companies had similar business positions, where the birds could be compared on a level playing field, I doubt we'd be seeing as many 737 around the world. Airlines were spooked by MD's resources and corporate longevity.

Anyone who has ridden on any of the three planes mentioned will most certainly choose the MD-90 if they could. The MD-95 is right up there with it if you ask me.

Besides, I am a huge fan of MD, and when I see a topic concerning any of their frames I am likely to chime in.  


User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1160 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2847 times:

A little off topic. but have a look at what Delta's doing to the DC-9-50

http://www.super98.com/products_dc9.htm


User currently offlinejbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 547 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

DL does not and has not served CVG-OAK non-stop, it has to be a 1 stop via SLC or MSP direct flight.

User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 19):
A little off topic. but have a look at what Delta's doing to the DC-9-50

Serious? I hadn't heard anything about that but it sounds pretty cool.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 18):
The MD-90 was most hurt by MD financial situation, and certainly not the quality of their products. If both companies had similar business positions, where the birds could be compared on a level playing field, I doubt we'd be seeing as many 737 around the world. Airlines were spooked by MD's resources and corporate longevity.

Airlines were spooked by the reliability of the MD-90 and not much by MD financial situation or corporate longevity. Delta had options for a 115 MD-90's, they choose not to exercise them because of the poor geniality of the type when it entered into service. There's no doubt in my mind that other airlines noticed this in particular American.

If the MD-90 had been a workhorse for Delta right out of the box instead of an albatross there would have been a good chance AA ordering it. It would have been much cheaper to buy an aircraft that had the same type rating as the 80. Along with being pretty much the same aircraft from a maintenance perspective.


User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1160 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 21):
Serious? I hadn't heard anything about that but it sounds pretty cool.

I know it was posted on April 1st, but this is no joke. As long as the flight tests live up to expectations, the DC-9-50's will begin modifications this summer


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10480 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 18):
Anyone who has ridden on any of the three planes mentioned will most certainly choose the MD-90 if they could. The MD-95 is right up there with it if you ask me.

Just from a ramp standpoint, ask anyone who has worked both 737s and DC-9s/MD-80s/90s which they would rather work. I'd be willing to bet that it's at least 90% in favor of the 737. Even as short as I am, the 9s were a pain to work and actually, you had to usually do it alone as there wasn't room for more than one to work it. Everything is just so much more convenient on the 737, even the weight and balance.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
25 seabosdca : That might be true if the Gremlin or Pacer had better performance than the Porsche... the 738 and A320 have similar operating economics to the MD-90
26 n471wn : Sadly 3 two year old MD-90's in ProAir Livery were scrapped for lack of any buyers a few years ago-----Delta had a chance to get them for peanuts and
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