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Upstart Calif Pacific Airlines Orders E170's  
User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18327 times:

There have been a few mention this upstart airline, and the thinking was it was going to be CRJ7's that they were thinking about operating, but apparently it is E170's that have allready been ordered. Accoring to this article they are going to try and duplicate the old PSA routes.

http://www.clickoncarlsbad.com/Stories/ted_vallas.html

[Edited 2010-03-31 21:09:55]

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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 17795 times:

The niche doesn't seem well defined...this airline will bleed cash....


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User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17693 times:

I see they also have up a new website, tells some info about them etc.

http://www.flycpair.com/index.html


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4703 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17504 times:

What kind of day was today again?!


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17661 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17424 times:

3 class service intra California from an airport nobody uses. What could possibly go wrong?


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31119 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17421 times:
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What? No operating the CSeries?

They're doomed.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17185 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
3 class service intra California from an airport nobody uses. What could possibly go wrong?

Marketing people say that these days the northern suburbs of San Diego go clear up to the Orange County line. I've driven in the gridlock on the 5 and the 805 and really believe it.

So it's about time somebody used CLD for something
other than turboprops into LAX.


User currently offline113312 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 573 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17109 times:

Good luck competing with WN who provides lots of flights to most of those destinations out of San Diego.

User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17107 times:

It would be cool to see it happen but I just don't see it making it off the ground.

FX1816


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17661 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16998 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):
Marketing people say that these days

If I had a dime for every time "marketing people" told me an airport's catchment area is a good half of the Eastern Seaboard or stretching from Rancho Cucamonga to Eureka....



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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16970 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
3 class service intra California from an airport nobody uses.

I wish I could find the numbers, but right now I can’t. People in North County do use the airport, and many wish there was more service out of the airport. If there was, they would use it. Right now not only are you limited to LAX, but United. For some, it takes CRQ out of the running.

The new terminal at CRQ is a new, nice facility. It is convenient to check in, get through security, and when arriving to get your bags.

If they are able to get started and get in the air, they might do ok.


User currently offlinenorcal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16963 times:

Honestly, how do people convince lenders to give them money for idiotic ideas like this? Three class service for flights that are 2 hours max?!?!? Are they serious? The only way this will work is if they stuff as many seats as possible into these aircraft, pay everyone involved next to nothing, and nickel and dime the crap out of passengers. I hope they aren't actually incorporated in CA because the business taxes will kill this venture quicker than anything else.

User currently offlineDiverDave From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16905 times:

The 3 class service appears to be comparable to UA in terms of the 3rd class being economy plus.

David


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16870 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 3):
What kind of day was today again?!

IMHO this was the best remark of this thread... LOL...



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User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 803 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16783 times:
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My first reaction was, this airline's going to get clobbered going into the Bay Area,competing
against WN,or VX.However, since they would be flying out of CRQ, and not SAN, I think they
will do okay.They would be drawing mostly from the North County area and Camp Pendleton.
I think the first routes they should start up should be LAS and PHX. (USAirways express used
to fly these routes from CRQ.)



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User currently offlinej0rdan From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16338 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
3 class service intra California from an airport nobody uses. What could possibly go wrong?

  


Any word/idea on how many E-Jets being ordered?


jordan


User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16240 times:

I really just don't see this working. I mean I love PSA and AirCal but even it today's world I don't believe either would have survived. It would be nice though to see service to a nice little airport like CRQ.

FX1816


User currently offlinethirteenright From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15886 times:

Isn't "California Pacific" a little redundant?

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5469 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15891 times:

From a local newspaper (Californian.com) -- in an article dated 3/26/10 -- 3 E-170s have been leased. The man behind the airline, Ted Villas, used to operate Air Resorts Airlines in the 80s and 90s. It says routes, from Carlsbad, will include OAK, SJC, SMF, LAS, PHX and perhaps TUS.

It will certainly be a battle but I do wish him luck!

bb


User currently offlineAirCalSNA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15699 times:

Quoting thirteenright (Reply 17):
Isn't "California Pacific" a little redundant?

Not only is it a little redundant, but it's rather old-fashioned. They might make a go of it if they get some advice on marketing--different name, more up to date livery, more sophisticated looking website.


User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15204 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
3 class service intra California from an airport nobody uses. What could possibly go wrong?

At 4x/day, mind you, to SMF, OAK, SJC, PHX, and 3x to LAS. I give them two weeks tops... three if Southwest is feeling charitable.


User currently onlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1661 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14942 times:

Quoting thirteenright (Reply 17):
Isn't "California Pacific" a little redundant?
Quoting AirCalSNA (Reply 19):
Not only is it a little redundant, but it's rather old-fashioned. They might make a go of it if they get some advice on marketing--different name, more up to date livery, more sophisticated looking website.

I've noticed on the website that they have nicnamed themselves CP Air. Hmmm...Air Canada might have a problem with that....although seeing the orange/red/baremetal scheme again would be HEAVEN!!



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User currently offlinePacificWest From United States of America, joined May 2007, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14871 times:

Good lord, look at the website too... they couldn't spare $1,000 to get something professional looking? ya know, one that would make people take seriously.

User currently offlineSANAV8R From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14760 times:

You know if they had proposed all this with say Q400s or something similar, it could last at least a month, if in fact they ever do fly.

But really what are they thinking? The residents around CLD might throw a fit when they get word that a mid-sized regional jet is flying over their homes.


Here is another news story on the upstart. http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=12238517

Quoting PacificWest (Reply 22):
Good lord, look at the website too... they couldn't spare $1,000 to get something professional looking? ya know, one that would make people take seriously.

They probably got the same people who created Baltia Air Line's website.

[Edited 2010-04-01 12:03:40]

User currently offlinetim222 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14613 times:

and there was me thinking it was April 1st

25 Post contains images SANFan : Ask the folks in Lake Tahoe, Sacramento, Fresno, and El Centro. I really don't think WN gives a wet noodle about this "threat" out of CRQ. I think th
26 413X3 : An E-jet is a terrible Idea. Q400 would be the only way to go
27 thegreatRDU : A Q400 or ATR aircraft would have gave them a fighting chance.... 3 class service..on a E170? Give me a break....this guy seems well respected but he
28 pink77W : I live n Santa Cruz, my daughter n San Diego I will fly them for sure. Remember people mocked WN when they started, they are not mocking them now
29 wedgetail737 : I think it would have been more fruitful for them to fly as far north as PDX and SEA to diversify their market portfolio. I'm surprised at the 3-class
30 DashTrash : 170s are too big for Carlsbad. Not enough runway.
31 KDCA : I was also under the impression that the runway at CLD was too short to support an E170 with any useful load. I imagine they are certainly considering
32 Aloha717200 : While I think their chances of success are very slim, I do wish them luck. It'd be nice to see this thing get off the ground, it'd be fascinating to w
33 413X3 : how does this make business sense? The cost of flying a prop like a Q400 or ATR are so much lower than operating costs of an E-170. So if very few pe
34 Post contains images 747400sp : I like the ideal of a modern airline like PSA and AirCal, I just wish it was Cseries in stead of E-170s. Any way, Go California!
35 Post contains images kgaiflyer : You may be right.
36 mtnwest1979 : I would doubt that. Not much of any correlation between Calif. West and former America West (if that is what you are referring to 'bout US making noi
37 JHCRJ700 : Well, I would love to see this work out. But I think the market in general is saturated. I think they will go the way of Independence, Skybus, etc, et
38 SANFan : Well, not the Carlsbad market... currently one airline is flying one route. ...ExpressJet's branded op's. bb
39 C767P : The NIMBYS around CRQ have no right to complain about anything considering most of them have built their homes and moved there within the past 10 yea
40 Packcheer : That is interesting..... I assume that this airport doesn't have enough traffic for this to be a major issue? Why is there a wingspan limit? Is it a
41 Post contains links CAFlyer : As far as E-Jet performance into a 4,897" runway, British Airways operates the 170 and 190 into London City (LCY) with a runway within 50 feet of CLD'
42 hz747300 : Could they fly to Safford Regional Airport (SAD) in Arizona? That would make visiting mom and grandma much easier when we do our annual visit to the S
43 b737100 : This reminds me of the beginnings of Air California from SNA. I wish them the best of luck.
44 sunking737 : They seemed to have hired a number of folks with airline experience and not some kid running a web site. Best Wishes. At lest its not another Virgin A
45 UniTED : I think like two other people read this one post. Keep discussing, guys! April 2 is about to happen...
46 Post contains links and images C767P : 200,000 movements a year, about 530 a day. 90% of those are GA flights. Aircraft back taxing would be a pain. It would significantly delay many fligh
47 KcrwFlyer : To fly all of an hour? I'm not sure. This is an interesting concept though.. I'm not ready to write it off yet, but a lot of things will have to go t
48 jetboy2 : I have to say that I like the general idea, yet there are two things that I don't like: - the choice of Carlsbad - 3 class service I wish this guy bes
49 FX1816 : That may be so but when has that ever stopped people from complaining about aircraft noise? FX1816
50 F9Animal : This guy is no newbie to the airline industry. He is smart, and has proven success in the past. I have always liked the underdog, and I would be willi
51 EleVAted : Feeling the heat? That's only correct if you're only referring to us as being creative and edgy, expanding, setting a higher standard for air travel
52 ridgid727 : It is certainly a corageous endeavor, and I hope that it will prove to be successful. There is an affluence in the Carlsbad area that would warrant se
53 SANMAN66 : I'd bet Ted Vallas would have snagged the PSA name if USAirways hadn't already laid claim to it. I would have loved to see smiling planes again.
54 wedgetail737 : I think it's a demographics thing. A jet will appeal to more of the upper middle to wealthy class of people in that region of SoCal. Back in the late
55 C767P : At the end of the month they will start repaving the runway. There has been no word of expanding the runway right now, or in the future. I guess the
56 413X3 : I have heard the Q400 is a dream to fly in compared to other props, I think people would happily fly in it. Especially if the company could offer low
57 USAirALB : If I it wasn't for WN, I believe US may still be operating PSA.
58 as739x : Thank you. I have said this in numerous thread. First was the CR7, now the E-170. Take-off length: 5,028 feet (Carlsbad "CRQ" 4,897) And I understand
59 C767P : When you look at WN’s route map in 1988, I really don’t think they can be blamed for US pulling out of PSA’s routes.
60 JakeOrion : If this airline could work with NZY, believe me, with 3 aircraft carriers coming to be stationed here, traffic is horrid and many sailors/civilians/co
61 Post contains links lightsaber : That was my first throught. Any future growth has to go head to head with WN. Ok, CRQ will not have direct competition, but SAN and SNA will still bl
62 wedgetail737 : I think US and AA gave WN that opportunity. Perhaps...but can you find a person, other than airline/airplane enthusiasts, that would rather fly a pro
63 KcrwFlyer : What restriction does US take on EYW-CLT on the 170? That's about 2 hours. CRQ has a little more room than Key West.
64 as739x : I don't work for US, I don't know! But I am modest enough to admit I can be wrong. Maybe there is a E170 driver or dispatcher on the forum here that
65 Post contains images mtnwest1979 : Well Sunworld lasted from first flight May 1983 until shut down Jan 1988. Just under 5 years, to me, is not quite awhile. Plus, I think the only intr
66 Rw717 : I am surprised that G4 hasn't started this yet.
67 F9Animal : Hell yeah! I too would love to see PSA back in the skies. One airline name that comes to mind is Air West, or even West Coast Airlines!!! Throw a smi
68 mtnwest1979 : Well Southwest seems to be doing just fine flying to places other than the Southwest. But I also think they are pigeonholing themselves with that nam
69 SANMAN66 : What about Alaska? They're doing just fine with their name too.
70 BooDog : He was twenty/thirty years ago. The guy is now 89 years old. I don't think he has a clue what the airline business is like today.
71 wedgetail737 : No wonder those carriers failed. NO...I'm totally kidding. GG was a little before my time. But I got to fly on JK. Too bad they're not around. I thin
72 Post contains images mtnwest1979 : LOL, I like that Just occurred that both of their first ( and Sunworld's only) route was RNO-BOI. Then GG continued and added BOI-SLC, then BOI-SUN-S
73 wedgetail737 : I was surprised that JK never flew BOI-LAS. I think they would have done well on that leg. They were pretty successful in the Bay Area...at least to
74 MoltenRock : Given the routes it shows, wouldn't it be better to fly the E175? You could get an extra 8 to 10 seats on it and thus reduce flight crew fixed costs b
75 Boeing1970 : Uh. No you cannot arbitrarily expand a runway. Besides, that area serves as the Runway Safety Area. If you expand onto it, you also have to expand th
76 mtnwest1979 : Gem State used the CVRs to SEA, and GEG and Eastern Idaho. They started SEA when RW was on a strike if IIRC. And by the time any Gem State labeled a/
77 SuperDash : Come on Wedge, I am and Alaska Airlines MVP Gold with 90% of my flights on Horizon and yes the Q400. I have flown Horizon on the short flights and th
78 wedgetail737 : That could be. We PNW folks are used to flying Q400's, Q200's etc. Don't get me wrong...I deliberately fly through PDX from SEA just to get on a Q400
79 KcrwFlyer : Depending on how they did it, they could add on to the usable runway for takeoff in one direction couldn't they? Sounds like they need an EMAS.
80 Post contains links dacman : I look forward to seeing and photographing their aircraft. Cheers Dacman www.aeropacific.blogspot.com
81 413X3 : According to who?
82 Boeing1970 : Not without moving the road. In fact, theres only 800-feet to the road by Google Earth so they need to take 200-feet off of that end as well in the p
83 C767P : Why would you need a safety area for a displaced threshold? All it would do is extend the takeoff distance, as the end of the runway on the east end
84 KcrwFlyer : Might save some lives down the road though... you know, if thats important to anyone.
85 murchmo : Runway length is not an issue as stated above, the plane can fly up to 500 miles with just 4200 feet of runway. Weight restrictions for short runwaysa
86 F9Animal : Oh come on BooDog! With age comes experience. With experience comes wisdom. I have no doubts that this guy has his dreams set on this, and he will be
87 Post contains images DiverDave : What's the quote I'm looking for? Oh, yeah: "It has flown the wrong planes to the wrong places with the wrong schedules at the wrong prices." Seriousl
88 Boeing1970 : Because thats what the FAA Standard is. Displaced thresholds are not for the provision of additional takeoff distance, they are to ensure approach su
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