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A/C That Never Got On A Country's Register  
User currently offlineinitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1066 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

While building sandcastles in the air today, I pondered upon something; Working out which country has not had a certain a/c registered to their country. I'm mainly focusing on Airbus and Boeing but feel free to add other companies from Embraer to CRJ but it will be a looooong list! As for upcoming aircraft such as Boeing 787 and Airbus A350 as well as the Airbus A380, consider them if any airline from that country has ordered it.

To start it off, my home country

Singapore
Boeing 717
Boeing 767

Other countries

Indonesia
Airbus A340
Airbus A380
Boeing 717
Boeing 757
Boeing 767 (I believe GA leased some but they were in British reg)

Australia
Airbus A300 (unsure)
Airbus A310 (unsure)
Airbus A340
Boeing 757

New Zealand
Boeing 717
Boeing 727
Airbus A330
Airbus A340

Malaysia
Boeing 717
Boeing 727
Boeing 757
Boeing 767

Thailand
Boeing 757

China (including Macau and Hong Kong)
Boeing 717
Boeing 727 (unsure)

Taiwan
Airbus A380
Boeing 717
Boeing 727
Boeing 767

USA
Airbus A340
Airbus A380

[Edited 2010-04-01 12:27:53]


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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4751 times:

In the UK, an MD-11 was assigned a registration (G-MDII for Air Europe) but it never made it from paper to plane.

Others include the Boeing 717, Airbus A380 and I think the Douglas DC-8


User currently onlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3772 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4737 times:

Quoting initious (Thread starter):
Boeing 757

I believe that the RNZAF operates one or two 757's.

Quoting initious (Thread starter):
Boeing 717

And Bangkok Air operates (if indeed they are still flying these birds) 717's.

And including the 787 and A350 is a little unfair, as they are not yet in service. Hell, the A350 still has a number of years left before it's first flight.



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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4632 times:
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Quoting initious (Thread starter):

Australia
Airbus A300 (unsure)

TAA operated these, under Aussie registrations too

Quoting initious (Thread starter):
China (including Macau and Hong Kong)
Boeing 707 (unsure)
Boeing 727 (unsure)

707 certainly was, CAAC had a large fleet, 1st western built plane they operated.
727 was operated in Taiwan, which shares the B- series with the others...

Quoting initious (Thread starter):
USA
Airbus A340

If you include temporary registrations I think the A340 has had a few N numbers assigned when Boeing took the SQ ones as trade-ins... though i dont know if the planes ever actually wore them.


Oh also you can add Concorde as a no for every country except the UK, France and USA.



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User currently offlineinitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1066 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

Alright, thanks for the answers! Made some edits here and there and removed the Boeing 787 & Airbus A350. 
Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 3):

If you include temporary registrations I think the A340 has had a few N numbers assigned when Boeing took the SQ ones as trade-ins... though i dont know if the planes ever actually wore them.

Well that's a good one.. But I guess I shall just leave the A340s up there, though.  
Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 3):

Oh also you can add Concorde as a no for every country except the UK, France and USA.

That's why I wanted to focus on Airbus and Boeing, or every country up there (except USA) will have Concorde in it.



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User currently offlineAviatorCraig From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2010, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4551 times:

United Kingdom
IL-62   



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User currently offlineaero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

As far as I know, those haven’t been registered in Icyland

Boeing:

717
777


Douglas:

DC-10 and MD-11


Airbus:

A318-A319-A320-A321
A330
A340
A380


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

Quoting initious (Thread starter):
A/C That Never Got On A Country's Register

I think the thread title needs to be changed as it sounds misleading, It should say "A/C Types That Never Got On A Country's Register".

Quoting Doona (Reply 2):
And including the 787 and A350 is a little unfair, as they are not yet in service.

I agree.   



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User currently offlineinitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1066 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4493 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
I think the thread title needs to be changed as it sounds misleading, It should say "A/C Types That Never Got On A Country's Register".

   I agree too. Did not notice that at first. Probably a moderator could change the name? 



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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1961 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4352 times:
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Ireland

DC 10

That is the only one obvious one I've found. Not bad for a small country and who knows, the Excel version of the Irish aircraft register I got from the IAA website does not mention the Boeing 747-100 or the Boeing 720, both of which where owned and operated by Aer Lingus on trans-Atlantic routes for many years and they definitely has Irish registrations. Also, EI had an MD-11 leased from World Airways for a year or two while they were waiting for A330's to arrive but as far as I'm aware, it kept its US registration.



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User currently offlineprebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6537 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

Quoting aero145 (Reply 6):
As far as I know, those haven’t been registered in Icyland

.
.
.

Douglas:

DC-10 and MD-11

Huh, not sure. But Nicelandair did operate one DC-10 around 1980. They even had it grounded when all DC-10s world wide were grounded.

But I am not sure it was on the TF- register. At that time the KEF - CPH shuttle was operated by DC-8-63, and they were often on the N- register (USA) even when painted in FI scheme. Obviously they were leased planes.

[Edited 2010-04-01 15:17:06]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 1):
Others include the Boeing 717, Airbus A380 and I think the Douglas DC-8

The DC-8 was certified in the UK when a long-defunct UK cargo carrier, IAS Cargo Airlines, acquired a couple of DC-8-55Fs. One was ex-CP Air and the other ex-U.S. cargo/charter carrier Seaboard World Airlines. I believe quite a bit of work was needed to obtain UK certification. Those two aircraft below.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 3):
Quoting initious (Thread starter):
China (including Macau and Hong Kong)
Boeing 707 (unsure)
Boeing 727 (unsure)

707 certainly was, CAAC had a large fleet, 1st western built plane they operated.

No, the Vickers Viscount was the first western-built aircraft operated in China, a decade before their first 707s. The Viscount was followed by the Hawker-Siddeley Trident, the first of which were also in service before their first 707s. One of the Viscounts survives in a Chinese aviation museum.


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[Edited 2010-04-01 15:43:41]

[Edited 2010-04-01 15:44:32]

User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1584 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4209 times:

Quoting Doona (Reply 2):
I believe that the RNZAF operates one or two 757's.

Yes, the RNZAF operates 2 RR powered 757's.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6131 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

Quoting initious (Thread starter):
USA
Airbus A340
Airbus A380


I don't think the 747-300 was ever allowed to operate in the US.



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User currently offlineMacsog6 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4155 times:
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Quoting United1 (Reply 14):
I don't think the 747-300 was ever allowed to operate in the US.

This seems to indicate that it was ~

VIII - 747-300 (Approved March 1, 1983) Transport Aircraft
The 747-300 is basically a 747-200 series airplane with a stretched upper deck.
Engines: 4 Pratt and Whitney JT9D-7R4G2 or 4 General Electric CF6-50E2, CF6-80C2B1, or 4 Rolls Royce
RB211-524B2-19, RB211-524C2-19, or RB211-524D4-19, RB211-524D4-39.
See NOTE 5 regarding intermixing of engines.
Fuel: See NOTE 3.
Engine Limits: See data pertinent to all models.
Airspeed Limits: VMO/MMO 375/0.92 (KEAS) For other airspeed limits see the appropriate FAA Approved Airplane
Flight Manual.
C.G. Range: See the appropriate FAA Approved Airplane Flight Manual.
Maximum Weights: See the appropriate FAA Approved Airplane Flight Manual.
Maximum Baggage/Cargo: See the appropriate Weight and Balance Control and Loading Manual.
Fuel and Oil Capacity: See the appropriate Weight and Balance Control and Loading Manual.
FAA Approved Weight and Balance Control and Loading Manual: D6-13700
FAA Approved Airplane Flight Manuals: D6-13703, D6-33747, D6-35747

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...178625762d0058294d/$FILE/A20WE.pdf



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4149 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 14):
I don't think the 747-300 was ever allowed to operate in the US.

What do you mean? The 747-300 is covered by the same FAA type certificate as all other 747s from the -100 through the -400 so it can certainly operate in the US. While no US carriers ordered the 743, Southern Air is currently operating a converted 743 freighter (originally delivered as a 743M combi to Varig and then operated by Atlas Air and a couple of other US cargo operators). They also recently acquired a 743 from JL, presumably also for freighter conversion. Both those aircraft below.


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6131 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4108 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
What do you mean? The 747-300 is covered by the same FAA type certificate as all other 747s from the -100 through the -400 so it can certainly operate in the US

From what I was told the FAA wasn't happy with the upper deck evacuation fo the 747-300 as originally designed and that was why there were not any on the N register. The info I got could be wrong...



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5807 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4007 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 17):
From what I was told the FAA wasn't happy with the upper deck evacuation fo the 747-300 as originally designed and that was why there were not any on the N register.

If that was the case why would they add the B747-300 variant to the B747 Type Certificate, which they did?

And if they didn't very few countries would have allowed them on their register, most definitely Australia. The fact that QF got six on the Oz register and the aircraft was built in the USA, is a pretty good indication that the type had full FAA approval, otherwise CASA would not have approved it for operation by QF.

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User currently offlinebrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Quoting initious (Thread starter):
Boeing 767

I believe both CI and BR have flown the 767. I'm sure I have flown on a BR 767-200 TPE-MNL way back when.

And here's some proof:

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Edited: Remove the CI photo which was wrong.

[Edited 2010-04-01 23:36:15]


I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
User currently offlineinitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1066 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

Quoting brenintw (Reply 19):
I believe both CI and BR have flown the 767. I'm sure I have flown on a BR 767-200 TPE-MNL way back when.

Wow, I never knew BR operated B767s. Thanks for the info!   



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User currently offlinebrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

Quoting initious (Reply 20):
Wow, I never knew BR operated B767s. Thanks for the info!

More information: BR had 4x -200ER and 4x -300ER. All of them have left the fleet now.

I will not forget my one, and I think only, flight in a BR 767. There were three of us flying TPE - MNL, J class. As the aircraft accelerated for take off, my friend who was sitting in front of me found himself lying flat, the back of his seat had simply given way! And there was nothing we could do!



I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
User currently offlineOtnySASLHR From Spain, joined May 2007, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

I don't think the Convair 880 nor the 990 made it on to the UK register
Rgds Tony



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User currently offlinebrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3839 times:

Quoting initious (Thread starter):
Taiwan
Boeing 727

CI and the government both had 727s:


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I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
User currently offlineDouglasDC10 From Germany, joined Feb 2000, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 9):
Ireland

DC 10

Indeed, there were two DC-10s registred in Ireland, although none of them flew for an Irish airline. These were EI-DLA which spent a couple of years flying for COA with this registration and EI-BZD, a GPA-owned aircraft which was leased to Garuda. The Icelandair DC-10 never made it into the Icelandic register and retained its US-reg. Beside this, the only other western European states without DC-10s were Austria and Portugal (and all the dwarf states like Liechtenstein and Monaco).


25 scarebus03 : Due to the fact that many leasing companies are based in Ireland I think that it is impossible to find any modern western built airliner type that ha
26 tonymctigue : Interesting. I suppose there are alot of Irish registered aircraft flying for non-Irish airlines. One thing that jumps out when you look through the
27 clydenairways : This is a bit of a pointless thread as particular with smaller countries, there are more aircraft types never on the register than actual ones. Take F
28 aircellist : The Dassault Mercure has been on even fewer registers than Concorde...
29 NorthStarDC4M : Lets see about Canada: A300B2/4 yes A300-600 yes A310 yes current 1 op A318 no A319 yes current 1 op A320 yes current 2* ops A321 yes current 1 op A33
30 Qantas767 : TAA and Australian (same thing I think) operated the A300 in Australia. I am pretty sure that the DC-10, MD11 and the L-1011 never wore the VH- though
31 kiwiandrew : Although never on the New Zealand Civil Register the 727 was operated by the RNZAF for a number of years ( subsequently replaced by the 757s mentione
32 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : Almost all AZ 763s, several 772s, and many of their Airbus narrowbodies (mostly A321s) are registered in Ireland. If by "all 4 types" you are referri
33 Post contains links and images vhqpa : Of those the A340 is the only type which hasn't been registered on the VH register TAA/Qantas had 5 A300B4's on the VH register from 1981-1998 Compas
34 kiwiandrew : IIRC Freedom Air and Kiwi( can't remember the exact name - it was Ewan Wilsons operation out of HLZ ) each briefly had a 757 , although I don't know
35 NorthStarDC4M : Called not proofreading sorry... i should of left the all out, there were 4 subtypes on the Canadian registry: 120B(138B), 320, 320B, 320C. Canadair
36 initious : This has made me confused. Why is it in the US register when operated by SQ?
37 TransIsland : For the Bahamas... ... has there been a single Airbus on the C6 register? And for Boeing... anything besides UP's B732s?
38 columba : I think Germany has had almost every A/C type in its register. For a long time the 777 was not there but that changed with Aero Logic. Not so sure if
39 kiwiandrew : Could be an operating lease , could be a tax reason , could be due to different depreciation rules could be for some completely different reason . So
40 irish251 : Yes, several, mostly freighters with Hunting Cargo and TNT. Club Air had some passenger -100s and a -200 in the 1980s. You wil find photos on this si
41 tonymctigue : Of course, TNT, I had forgotten completely about them. Has there ever been any L1011's on the Irish aircraft register?
42 scarebus03 : Yeah there's been a few: EI-TBG EI-CNN EI-BTN I think Aer Turas operated one in the early nineties. Brgds SB03
43 EMBQA : In the US... Saab 2000 as Part 121. There are a hand full flying Part 91
44 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : At least one KL 747-300 was also operated with US registration for its first 8 years with KL. Probably a requirement of leasing company ILFC that own
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