initious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1011 posts, RR: 16 Posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3622 times:
While building sandcastles in the air today, I pondered upon something; Working out which country has not had a certain a/c registered to their country. I'm mainly focusing on Airbus and Boeing but feel free to add other companies from Embraer to CRJ but it will be a looooong list! As for upcoming aircraft such as Boeing 787 and Airbus A350 as well as the Airbus A380, consider them if any airline from that country has ordered it.
To start it off, my home country
Singapore
Boeing 717
Boeing 767
Other countries
Indonesia
Airbus A340
Airbus A380
Boeing 717
Boeing 757
Boeing 767 (I believe GA leased some but they were in British reg)
Australia
Airbus A300 (unsure)
Airbus A310 (unsure)
Airbus A340
Boeing 757
New Zealand
Boeing 717
Boeing 727
Airbus A330
Airbus A340
Malaysia
Boeing 717
Boeing 727
Boeing 757
Boeing 767
Thailand
Boeing 757
China (including Macau and Hong Kong)
Boeing 717
Boeing 727 (unsure)
Taiwan
Airbus A380
Boeing 717
Boeing 727
Boeing 767
And Bangkok Air operates (if indeed they are still flying these birds) 717's.
And including the 787 and A350 is a little unfair, as they are not yet in service. Hell, the A350 still has a number of years left before it's first flight.
Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
TAA operated these, under Aussie registrations too
Quoting initious (Thread starter): China (including Macau and Hong Kong)
Boeing 707 (unsure)
Boeing 727 (unsure)
707 certainly was, CAAC had a large fleet, 1st western built plane they operated.
727 was operated in Taiwan, which shares the B- series with the others...
If you include temporary registrations I think the A340 has had a few N numbers assigned when Boeing took the SQ ones as trade-ins... though i dont know if the planes ever actually wore them.
Oh also you can add Concorde as a no for every country except the UK, France and USA.
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
initious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1011 posts, RR: 16 Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3388 times:
Alright, thanks for the answers! Made some edits here and there and removed the Boeing 787 & Airbus A350.
Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 3):
If you include temporary registrations I think the A340 has had a few N numbers assigned when Boeing took the SQ ones as trade-ins... though i dont know if the planes ever actually wore them.
Well that's a good one.. But I guess I shall just leave the A340s up there, though.
Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 3):
Oh also you can add Concorde as a no for every country except the UK, France and USA.
That's why I wanted to focus on Airbus and Boeing, or every country up there (except USA) will have Concorde in it.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3331 times:
initious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1011 posts, RR: 16 Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3304 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7): I think the thread title needs to be changed as it sounds misleading, It should say "A/C Types That Never Got On A Country's Register".
I agree too. Did not notice that at first. Probably a moderator could change the name?
tonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3163 times:
Ireland
DC 10
That is the only one obvious one I've found. Not bad for a small country and who knows, the Excel version of the Irish aircraft register I got from the IAA website does not mention the Boeing 747-100 or the Boeing 720, both of which where owned and operated by Aer Lingus on trans-Atlantic routes for many years and they definitely has Irish registrations. Also, EI had an MD-11 leased from World Airways for a year or two while they were waiting for A330's to arrive but as far as I'm aware, it kept its US registration.
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prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6039 posts, RR: 55 Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3126 times:
Quoting aero145 (Reply 6): As far as I know, those haven’t been registered in Icyland
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Douglas:
DC-10 and MD-11
Huh, not sure. But Nicelandair did operate one DC-10 around 1980. They even had it grounded when all DC-10s world wide were grounded.
But I am not sure it was on the TF- register. At that time the KEF - CPH shuttle was operated by DC-8-63, and they were often on the N- register (USA) even when painted in FI scheme. Obviously they were leased planes.
[Edited 2010-04-01 15:17:06]
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21690 posts, RR: 23 Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3101 times:
Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 1): Others include the Boeing 717, Airbus A380 and I think the Douglas DC-8
The DC-8 was certified in the UK when a long-defunct UK cargo carrier, IAS Cargo Airlines, acquired a couple of DC-8-55Fs. One was ex-CP Air and the other ex-U.S. cargo/charter carrier Seaboard World Airlines. I believe quite a bit of work was needed to obtain UK certification. Those two aircraft below.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21690 posts, RR: 23 Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3074 times:
Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 3): Quoting initious (Thread starter):
China (including Macau and Hong Kong)
Boeing 707 (unsure)
Boeing 727 (unsure)
707 certainly was, CAAC had a large fleet, 1st western built plane they operated.
No, the Vickers Viscount was the first western-built aircraft operated in China, a decade before their first 707s. The Viscount was followed by the Hawker-Siddeley Trident, the first of which were also in service before their first 707s. One of the Viscounts survives in a Chinese aviation museum.
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5380 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2977 times:
Macsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2966 times:
Quoting United1 (Reply 14): I don't think the 747-300 was ever allowed to operate in the US.
This seems to indicate that it was ~
VIII - 747-300 (Approved March 1, 1983) Transport Aircraft
The 747-300 is basically a 747-200 series airplane with a stretched upper deck.
Engines: 4 Pratt and Whitney JT9D-7R4G2 or 4 General Electric CF6-50E2, CF6-80C2B1, or 4 Rolls Royce
RB211-524B2-19, RB211-524C2-19, or RB211-524D4-19, RB211-524D4-39.
See NOTE 5 regarding intermixing of engines.
Fuel: See NOTE 3.
Engine Limits: See data pertinent to all models.
Airspeed Limits: VMO/MMO 375/0.92 (KEAS) For other airspeed limits see the appropriate FAA Approved Airplane
Flight Manual.
C.G. Range: See the appropriate FAA Approved Airplane Flight Manual.
Maximum Weights: See the appropriate FAA Approved Airplane Flight Manual.
Maximum Baggage/Cargo: See the appropriate Weight and Balance Control and Loading Manual.
Fuel and Oil Capacity: See the appropriate Weight and Balance Control and Loading Manual.
FAA Approved Weight and Balance Control and Loading Manual: D6-13700
FAA Approved Airplane Flight Manuals: D6-13703, D6-33747, D6-35747
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21690 posts, RR: 23 Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2960 times:
Quoting United1 (Reply 14): I don't think the 747-300 was ever allowed to operate in the US.
What do you mean? The 747-300 is covered by the same FAA type certificate as all other 747s from the -100 through the -400 so it can certainly operate in the US. While no US carriers ordered the 743, Southern Air is currently operating a converted 743 freighter (originally delivered as a 743M combi to Varig and then operated by Atlas Air and a couple of other US cargo operators). They also recently acquired a 743 from JL, presumably also for freighter conversion. Both those aircraft below.
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5380 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2919 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16): What do you mean? The 747-300 is covered by the same FAA type certificate as all other 747s from the -100 through the -400 so it can certainly operate in the US
From what I was told the FAA wasn't happy with the upper deck evacuation fo the 747-300 as originally designed and that was why there were not any on the N register. The info I got could be wrong...
gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5240 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2818 times:
Quoting United1 (Reply 17): From what I was told the FAA wasn't happy with the upper deck evacuation fo the 747-300 as originally designed and that was why there were not any on the N register.
If that was the case why would they add the B747-300 variant to the B747 Type Certificate, which they did?
And if they didn't very few countries would have allowed them on their register, most definitely Australia. The fact that QF got six on the Oz register and the aircraft was built in the USA, is a pretty good indication that the type had full FAA approval, otherwise CASA would not have approved it for operation by QF.
brenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1471 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2699 times:
Quoting initious (Reply 20): Wow, I never knew BR operated B767s. Thanks for the info!
More information: BR had 4x -200ER and 4x -300ER. All of them have left the fleet now.
I will not forget my one, and I think only, flight in a BR 767. There were three of us flying TPE - MNL, J class. As the aircraft accelerated for take off, my friend who was sitting in front of me found himself lying flat, the back of his seat had simply given way! And there was nothing we could do!
I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
Indeed, there were two DC-10s registred in Ireland, although none of them flew for an Irish airline. These were EI-DLA which spent a couple of years flying for COA with this registration and EI-BZD, a GPA-owned aircraft which was leased to Garuda. The Icelandair DC-10 never made it into the Icelandic register and retained its US-reg. Beside this, the only other western European states without DC-10s were Austria and Portugal (and all the dwarf states like Liechtenstein and Monaco).
25 scarebus03: Due to the fact that many leasing companies are based in Ireland I think that it is impossible to find any modern western built airliner type that ha
26 tonymctigue: Interesting. I suppose there are alot of Irish registered aircraft flying for non-Irish airlines. One thing that jumps out when you look through the
27 clydenairways: This is a bit of a pointless thread as particular with smaller countries, there are more aircraft types never on the register than actual ones. Take F
28 aircellist: The Dassault Mercure has been on even fewer registers than Concorde...
29 NorthStarDC4M: Lets see about Canada: A300B2/4 yes A300-600 yes A310 yes current 1 op A318 no A319 yes current 1 op A320 yes current 2* ops A321 yes current 1 op A33
30 Qantas767: TAA and Australian (same thing I think) operated the A300 in Australia. I am pretty sure that the DC-10, MD11 and the L-1011 never wore the VH- though
31 kiwiandrew: Although never on the New Zealand Civil Register the 727 was operated by the RNZAF for a number of years ( subsequently replaced by the 757s mentione
32 Viscount724: Almost all AZ 763s, several 772s, and many of their Airbus narrowbodies (mostly A321s) are registered in Ireland. If by "all 4 types" you are referri
33 vhqpa: Of those the A340 is the only type which hasn't been registered on the VH register TAA/Qantas had 5 A300B4's on the VH register from 1981-1998 Compas
34 kiwiandrew: IIRC Freedom Air and Kiwi( can't remember the exact name - it was Ewan Wilsons operation out of HLZ ) each briefly had a 757 , although I don't know
35 NorthStarDC4M: Called not proofreading sorry... i should of left the all out, there were 4 subtypes on the Canadian registry: 120B(138B), 320, 320B, 320C. Canadair
36 initious: This has made me confused. Why is it in the US register when operated by SQ?
37 TransIsland: For the Bahamas... ... has there been a single Airbus on the C6 register? And for Boeing... anything besides UP's B732s?
38 columba: I think Germany has had almost every A/C type in its register. For a long time the 777 was not there but that changed with Aero Logic. Not so sure if
39 kiwiandrew: Could be an operating lease , could be a tax reason , could be due to different depreciation rules could be for some completely different reason . So
40 irish251: Yes, several, mostly freighters with Hunting Cargo and TNT. Club Air had some passenger -100s and a -200 in the 1980s. You wil find photos on this si
41 tonymctigue: Of course, TNT, I had forgotten completely about them. Has there ever been any L1011's on the Irish aircraft register?
42 scarebus03: Yeah there's been a few: EI-TBG EI-CNN EI-BTN I think Aer Turas operated one in the early nineties. Brgds SB03
43 EMBQA: In the US... Saab 2000 as Part 121. There are a hand full flying Part 91
44 Viscount724: At least one KL 747-300 was also operated with US registration for its first 8 years with KL. Probably a requirement of leasing company ILFC that own
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