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UA Intl 777s To Get 3-3-3 Y Class, On Demand Video  
User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2525 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 24811 times:

Sorry if this is a double-tap, I haven't yet seen it on a.net. Can't wait to hear the UA bashers come out with the, "SQ and EK have had this for years," or, "it still won't make them as good as airline ______"

http://www.chicagobreakingbusiness.c...g-777-to-have-video-on-demand.html

Whatever the case, another nice improvement for UA who is quietly stepping up just about all aspects of their product.

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26168 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 24750 times:

Yes news is about a year old and part of the IPTE upgrades the widebody fleets are getting.


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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 24749 times:

Old news , It still won't make them as good as CO or NWs 330s when talking about Y products but it's a start...

[Edited 2010-04-01 16:38:02]


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 24684 times:

Nice. This puts them in line with every other carrier flying the 777 (except for AA which I think still uses a 2-5-2 configuration). 3-3-3 seems to have really become the preferred configuration for most airlines operating the T7.


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User currently offlinejolau1701 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 24551 times:

What was wrong with the old 2-5-2?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 24296 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 3):
This puts them in line with every other carrier flying the 777 (except for AA which I think still uses a 2-5-2 configuration). 3-3-3 seems to have really become the preferred configuration for most airlines operating the T7.

MH and SV are also 2-5-2 but I think that's about all.. DL was 2-5-2 originally but changed to 3-3-3 a few years ago.

Quoting jolau1701 (Reply 4):
What was wrong with the old 2-5-2?

Apparently one reason most carriers have selected 3-3-3 is that it reduces the number of inflight entertainment conbtrol boxes in each row from 4 to 3, which cuts weight and cost and reduces maintenance. It also avoids the horrible middle seat in the 5-across section and offers a higher probability of having an empty seat next to you if the flight isn't full. In any case, 3-3-3 is a lot better than 3-4-3 which seems to be the current trend with several 777 operators..


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 24285 times:

Quoting jolau1701 (Reply 4):
What was wrong with the old 2-5-2?

If I recall correctly, part of it had to do with the IFE boxes only being able to handle a maximum of 3 seats. With a 2-5-2 configuration, you'd need four boxes per row, adding weight and complexity. With a 3-3-3 config, the requirement goes down to three per row.


User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 24235 times:

Are the new Y seats leather, and do they have headrests?

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 2):
Old news , It still won't make them as good as CO or NWs 330s when talking about Y products but it's a start...

Why is that?


User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 24106 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 2):
Old news , It still won't make them as good as CO or NWs 330s when talking about Y products but it's a start...

I think thats a very subjective statement. UAs 777 will have AVOD (actually the same system that DL has on the 77Ls) and power ports at every seat...at the very least that is the equivelent to the best US carriers international Y class.

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 7):
Are the new Y seats leather, and do they have headrests?

They are not leather but I don't know about headrests.



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User currently offlineb737100 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 24038 times:

2-5-2 is what was on the DC-10..originally they were 2-4-2. I remember that MX had an unusual configuration on their DC-10. Anyhow, to stay on track, 3-3-3 sounds better to me.


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23801 times:

DL actually tested both 2-5-2 and 3-3-3 on their 772ERs (the last two of them being delivered in 3-3-3), and it was found that passengers preferred the 3-3-3 layout.

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 2):
Old news , It still won't make them as good as CO or NWs 330s when talking about Y products but it's a start...

Since when did CO operate A330s?



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User currently offlineUALORD From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23764 times:

I personally like the 2-5-2 better because it dosen't make the plane feel so cramped.

User currently offlineUniTED From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23397 times:

I'm glad this will be happening, but on the other hand, there will be three different International Economy IFE products, depending on the plane:

763: personal video on a loop
777: AVOD
744: main screen entertainment

Now, I know providing a consistent product is especially important for those sitting in F and C, but is it really necessary to have three different economy hard products? Hopefully the 777s with AVOD throughout will be the standard with the 787s and A350s arrive!



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2989 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22777 times:
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Quoting jolau1701 (Reply 4):

UA bashers need to fly first class on a 747 or even a 767. They will ether shut up or find a flimsy reason why UA hasn't impoved. Which they have by a factor of 10!



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User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22767 times:

I was just thinking about this the other day as I got notice to an upgrade on SFO-IAD-SXM. As a red-eye, there isn't going to be much food, so I was thinking there really isn't much to be excited about UA's domestic first product.

Has anyone thought about taking all of the J seats they just ripped out of the 763s and 744s and refurbishing them and sticking them in the domestic product? I know the leg rests will probably have to go to fit with the current product, but PTVs and better support seems like a good thing to have.

I also know that having PTVs in an aircraft thats entertainment runs off of one channel requires a change in the format of their entertainment system, but it seems like a cheap solution to a lacking product. Hell, it hasn't changed in 10 years.



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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22590 times:

Quoting UA777222 (Reply 14):
Hell, it hasn't changed in 10 years.

They are in the process of recovering all the F class seats in leather...that should be done by the end of the year. While I would love to see the old J class seats be retrofitted to the domestic fleet I doubt if that is going to happen. For starters there probably are not enough of them.



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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22579 times:

I can see why some prefer the 2-5-2 and some prefer the 3-3-3.

The 2-5-2, if you are just a couple, you have the advantage of having only the two seats, no one to climb over or for them to climb over you. With the single traveller, if on the side only have to worry about one person for the climb over. Disadvantages ov the 2-5-2 the 5 seats in the middle if you are a single traveller next to a family of 4, what is that 4th person next to you going to do, climb over the other three family members, or just climb over you. Also if you are suck in the middle of the 5 seats, too bad if you want to get something from the overhead locker (especially this day and age where airlines are charging for all checked baggage and the Pax are trying to cram everything in overhead lockers.

The 3-3-3 advantages that I can see, if you are in the middle section, and a solo traveller, you only have to worry about one person climbing over you, easier to get your cabin baggage if so required, meals don't have to be passed 'down the line' to get to you,also if a couple and in the middle, you don't have to worry about strangers climbing over you. The disadvantages, well basically the opposite of above, a couple on the side, have to climb over someone or a single traveller on the side, have to worry about two people climbing over.

My personal choice is the 3-3-3 config, I don't know why, I just do.  



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User currently offlinemd94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22512 times:

Anyone know when the first 777s will be out flying?


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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22454 times:

Quoting md94 (Reply 17):
Anyone know when the first 777s will be out flying?

IIRC it should be out of SFO in the next couple of weeks.

[Edited 2010-04-01 22:28:29]


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User currently offlinepiaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22390 times:

so should i be worried as a UA employee that i might not be able to fly business class anymore?



"The shift reflects travel policies adopted by many companies that require employees to fly in coach rather than in business-class seats."

"It's no secret that, even as we see improvement in premium international travel year-of-year, many companies still require their employees to book seats in economy," said Johnson.


User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22344 times:

Quoting piaflyer (Reply 19):
so should i be worried as a UA employee that i might not be able to fly business class anymore?

The article refers to corporations booking revenue travel not non-rev travel. The only issue that a non-rev might come across on international flights is that UA now has less F/J seats on their aircraft so there are not at many available seats as there were before. I will say that domestic F non-rev is probably a thing of the past with the new unlimited elite upgrades that UA now offers its FFs.



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User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22323 times:

Quoting UniTED (Reply 12):
Hopefully the 777s with AVOD throughout will be the standard with the 787s and A350s arrive!

Let us hope!


User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22283 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 15):
For starters there probably are not enough of them.

Old 767s had 32 J seats
Old 747s had 73 J seats
Old 777s had approx 46 J seats

21 x 32
24 x 73
46 x 46
= 4540 J Seats replaced

(55) A319 have 8 F seats
(97) A320 have 12 F seats
(83) 757s have 24 F setas
(9) Domestic 767s have 34 F seats
(6) Domestic 777s have 36 F seats

55 x 8
97 x 12
83 x 24
9 x 34
6 x 36
= 4118 Domestic F seats

Gives you 422 extra seats and that's not including the 500+ J seats on aircraft in storage and the infrastructure to repair and replace any broken seats.

Long shot, but given UAs drive to stay at or below cost, a cheap alternative.



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User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22251 times:

Quoting md94 (Reply 17):
Anyone know when the first 777s will be out flying?

1st one should be close to flying if it hasn't already left the hangar. It's my understanding that the first aircraft type to be refurbished always takes the longest for certification of configuration and to feel out a process to do these changes as quick and efficient as possible. I believe once the first aircraft is given the all clear, it's a 30-day down time for the interior swap.

I believe the 1st one went out of service for the changes around the first of the year.



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User currently offlineCOEWR2587 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 607 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 21971 times:

Quoting UALORD (Reply 11):
I personally like the 2-5-2 better because it dosen't make the plane feel so cramped.

Try saying that to someone stuck in the middle of a 5 section



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25 DocLightning : What's better about the NW 330? Passengers prefer 3-3-3. I do prefer 2-5-2, but having been stuck in the middle for a 6-hour flight, it does suck. No
26 UA777222 : That goes against the same logic. Instead of having 23 people who are mad about being stuck in a middle seat, you're going to have 69. Always loved t
27 TGV : I was just thinking about this the other day as I got notice Yes, but with the 3-3-3 config "meals ... have to be passed 'down the line' to get to you
28 BMI727 : I think that once somebody looked at the numbers and determined that 2-5-2 is superior up until the load factor reaches ~80% and people start sitting
29 Post contains images UnitedFA07 : As part of the cabin crew I would think the 3-3-3 would seem roomier than the 2-5-2. When you see 5 heads going across it just seems overwhelming and
30 Airxliban : SV's new config on the 777s is 3-4-3...but the old ones are still 2-5-2.
31 UN_B732 : Can't wait for them to announce the IPTE 777 launch. I'm gonna try to get on the inaugural. -a
32 FlyWhisperjets : .....Last time I flew Emirates, I was smashed with 10 across seating on their 777. So go for it United.
33 SolarFlyer22 : They need to forget about replacing the IFE and replace the entire friggin plane. I'll give them credit for keeping these aging frames in good shape b
34 United1 : When I made my statement I was thinking that the inside block of 3 seats on the 777/744s could not be used. Either way its a good but not really a fe
35 SQ_EK_freak : The NW/DL 330s are really nothing to write home about I don't think. Smallish PTVs, kind of a sloppy interface for AVOD and really slow reaction time
36 United1 : UA is not going to upgrade the 744 fleet in Y anymore then they already have as they are being phased out by A350s. There simply isn't a ROI to do it
37 FlyPNS1 : Very few people buy based on IFE or the plane being new....they buy on price, schedule and frequent flyer loyalty. I'll agree that UA's Y product is
38 tonyban : Haha ! Try sitting in the 'E' seat for an 11 hour flight. No fun being squished in the middle, unable to place any of your elbows on the armrests and
39 iloveboeing : Exactly what I have been preaching here on a.net for YEARS!!!!! UA offers a barbaric Y product on their 744s and they either need to update them NOW
40 VinnieWinnie : Exactly! UA is pretty much catching up with rest not to be at a disadvantage when dealing with a fraction of people that do actually care about PTV.
41 LAXintl : I'm sure an airline would be happy to, however when will customer also realize they should be paying a reasonable enough fare to cover their true tra
42 flanker : I got stuck in the middle once when on route to London from Chicago. Worst flight ever. I specifically asked for a isle seat and the agent gave me a
43 iloveboeing : It is not the passengers' fault that the airlines charged the fare they purchased, nor is it their responsibility to make the airline profitable. The
44 Post contains images MadameConcorde : ""Brett Snyder, who blogs as the Cranky Flier and who first reported the United 777 upgrades, said that some United regulars will miss the old configu
45 LAXintl : Sure it is --- airlines have long lost pricing power in Y class long time ago. When you have consumer changing airlines for mere $1 difference, price
46 United1 : ROI is exactly the reason... UA does not feel that they can recoup their investment on further upgrades to the 747 Y cabin. Airlines are a business a
47 tristarglory : About stinking time. I hated flying the UA 777 for this very reason. Nice move UA...........15 years late. But better late than never!
48 Flighty : Fine, but they were wrong to not do it already. Being too late to correct a problem isn't the best excuse anyone ever came up with.
49 Post contains images UnitedFA07 : If you've been saying it for years then you'd know you are beating a dead horse, which most seem to do on here! UA is not, will not, not gonna happen
50 United1 : UA had plans at one point to add PTVs to the 744 fleet then 9/11 happened followed by BK and then the oil spike...its been a rough 10 years.
51 Post contains images caljn : This is very true! UA is most definitely not the airline of even two years ago. Improved, friendlier service on the ground and in the air, clearly cl
52 aa757first : It is very nice if you're seated in one of the "twos." As others have said, sitting in the middle seat must be hellish. I like UA (and Economy Plus)
53 iloveboeing : Actually, on the ORD-HKG route, I had no choice, but to take UA, as my dad used his FF miles as a gift to me. The only good thing about that flight w
54 FlyPNS1 : I'm sure the UA execs are quite aware of SQ's product. However, the cost for UA to implement that type of product would be substantial and is money U
55 United1 : SQs sucess has little to do with their service and more to do with having a decent level of pricing power in SIN. Also not everyone finds SQs service
56 UAL747DEN : I wouldn't really call it being "phased out by A350's", while the A350's will help they will not directly replace 747's. I think that you will find a
57 KimberlyRJ : Hey 2 – 5 – 2 = a nightmare!! To be in the middle seat of the cabin must be a complete nightmare. If I were a PAX issued this seat I think I would
58 UA777222 : Exactly........................... Actually, no, I don't quite follow.....
59 Viscount724 : Don't understand your numbers. There are exactly the same number of middle seats at 3-3-3 (one in each 3-seat section) as at 2-5-2 (3 middle seats in
60 Post contains images UnitedFA07 : Well if you like 2-4-2 how about 2-3-2 on a 777! lol
61 United1 : Thats interesting from what has been reported on here as well as from the press the A350s will replace the 744s on a one for one basis. Are you sayin
62 quiet1 : I also recall the plans to add PTVs to the 744 fleet. FYI, it's not just a simple matter of placing control units on the floor, embedding TVs in the
63 UA777222 : It was my understanding that when they went with the 2-5-2 it was not based on who is physically in the middle as much as it is how far they are away
64 quiet1 : At least in a window seat you get (a) the guaranteed use of one arm rest, (b) nobody on one side of you, and (c) a wall to lean against if you so des
65 ORDnHKG : Obviously people care about price and the nonstop service rather than technology. UA's ORD-HKG never suffer any insufficient loads anytime other than
66 The777Man : That's the best thing with 3-3-3 that there's no middle middle seat. For all those that prefer 2-5-2, sit in the middle of 5 for 11h and then see wha
67 Viscount724 : Many passengers prefer the window seat, and aren't deterred having 2 passengers next to them. It's so common on narrowbodies they're already used to
68 ORDnHKG : I wouldn't say many, at least I am not. I would only want window seat when it is only 2 seats on the side. That's why whenever I have a choice of UA
69 Viscount724 : I disagree. Look at the many 757s now operating 8 or 9 hour nonstops to/from Europe, and many 737NGs are now used non stops of 6 hours or more. And m
70 rjpieces : I can't wait to see the pictures of the new cabin! I hope that United installs an AVOD system in Y on the 777 that can become standard on the A350s &a
71 UA777222 : Sitting in SXM right now and flew SFO-IAD-SXM F. All legs had leather. It was a vast improvement over the cloth. The seats felt new, did show a littl
72 rjpieces : What was the service like in F on a transcon? Domestic 767/777s? How is the F service different there than on SFO-IAD-SXM?
73 UA777222 : SFO-IAD service was good but it was a red-eye and the crew was clearly trying to get the service out of the way so that we could all go to sleep. The
74 The777Man : The first UA 777 with the new First and Business class seats is ready for service. N794UA (fleetnumber 2894) is currently scheduled to fly SFO-IAD on
75 CYatUK : Do we know if this is to be followed soon by more?
76 The777Man : I have no idea at what pace they will be reconfigured other than what was announced a while back; think it's 12 this year and 16 next year and the res
77 hoons90 : Thanks for the info! Do you know if they're getting the Panasonic eFX for the AVOD system?
78 The777Man : I know it's Panasonic but not sure which version...... The777Man
79 brilondon : Tell that to the poor sod in the middle seat of the 5 when they have to uase the toilet in the middle of the flight to Europe. Anyways UA will still
80 RJ111 : If you're sensible with seat allocations i do think 2-5-2 is better. First of all it takes 88% LF before you have to actually put anyone in the middle
81 CYatUK : Well, it took a while but... I like the 2-5-2 configuration for the 2 seats near the window however I have to admit that I had never sat in the "doub
82 764 : I love 2-5-2. Usually the middle seat (E) is occupied by a group of people traveling together, so the "excuse me" factor isn't quite so bad. Also, if
83 FlyIGuy : The new seat configurations are 8F, 40J, & 221Y...I can see alot of upset elites not getting those upgrades that they would usually get...so with
84 Viscount724 : The big difference is that many people want window seats and don't care how many people are next to them. Nobody wants a middle seat if they can poss
85 Airnerd : I always thought the 3-4-2 was an interesting solution for the 9-abrest cabins.. I think KLM and maybe some others had this arrangement on the MD-11s.
86 Viscount724 : Correct. Many MD-11s were 3-4-2 (or 2-4-3). KLM and Swissair MD-11s definitely were. The only difference was that on KL the 3-seat unit was on the ri
87 LAXintl : Now planned to bounce between San Francisco and Washington as follows: April 23-25 UA914 UA975
88 LAXintl : For some photos of the new cabin check out posting by United PR on a frequent flyer website with the initials of FT.
89 1337Delta764 : DL's seats are real leather. Look inside the seat pockets for proof.
90 FL787 : Looks very nice! It's the exact same as DL's Y class on the 77L, except that it is cloth instead of leather. I wish someone knew whether or not they
91 Post contains images 764 : I stand corrected (but I'll sure check next week.... ). Real or not, though, they just don't feel as nice on longer flights. On the short haul I coul
92 brilondon : I never feel guilty if I have to go to the loo at any time. The alternative will make people who are pissed off at me for needing to go to the loo ve
93 spacecadet : Well, this is not true. I normally fly NH from JFK-NRT (and plan to do so again in June), which has had on-demand IFE for a long time now, and people
94 Vasu : Yup, looks like a good improvement!
95 Viscount724 : Very few carriers use leather seats on their longhaul fleets. I personally avoid those carriers. Fabric is much more pleasant on anything longer than
96 spacecadet : But they're so shiny!
97 Post contains images Pellegrine : These people bemoaning UA's 2-5-2 are jokers! If you're so unlucky to get the middle-middle seat, you should have selected a seat assignment before ha
98 1337Delta764 : Those Y seats appear to be the same exact Weber 5751 seats with winged headrests that are on DL's 772LR fleet, only in cloth rather than leather.
99 FL787 : Maybe wrong thread but does DL have power throughout coach on the 77L or just the first 10 rows? If it is throughout, the only real difference is clo
100 rjpieces : Is the AVOD touchscreen? What system is it? How is the selection? Interesting. Are these the same seats that were put in the 767 and 747 in Y?[Edited
101 ATLflyer : Looks amazing...love to see UA really caring about their product again. And now that they are deep-cleaning more often and extremely meticulous about
102 United1 : It's touch screen and it's made by Panasonic... The selection is decent it's not as extensive as EK or SQ however I think its around 100-150 hours of
103 Post contains images cpd : My goodness - UA joins the modern age! Looks pretty good. The first does look classy - it also reminds me of Air France 1st class a bit - except for t
104 CYatUK : Any indication on the first international routes to be served by the refurbished 777?
105 787KQ : All F seats on the 777, including the middle ones, are private and have storage since they face out and have storage on the aisle side. This is a grea
106 Post contains images RJ111 : So what you're saying is, instead of making them feel pissed off, you will make them feel pissed on?
107 rjpieces : Do you know what system it is? eFX? Or eX2?
108 Airnerd : What's the schedule like for these upgrades to the 777 fleet? More specifically, what are the chances I'll get one on IAD-MUC and MUC-ORD in August of
109 United1 : I believe its eX2 thought on the 777s and eX2 in F/J on the 747/763 fleet. I know they upgraded the system in Y on the 744/763 fleet to a digital sys
110 lesismore : Has anyone tried a 2-4-3 economy arrangement? It seems like it would offer the best combination of seating. 2 on one side for couples, the 4 in the mi
111 787KQ : American had that configuration on their MD-11's.
112 United1 : AFAIK AAs configuration had always been 2-5-2 on the M11s and D10s
113 Post contains links 787KQ : Can't find pics now, but pretty sure they did on the MD-11's when I flew them (if not, then on some DC 10"s). Here are some on other airlines. http:/
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