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LAN Airlines To Launch Flights To Paris  
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13129 times:
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On 09/02/10, LAN Airlines S.A. will launch a new thrice weekly direct service between SCL and CDG. LA714 will operate SCL-MAD-CDG on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. LA715 will operate CDG-MAD-SCL on Wednesday, Friday and Sunday. LAN will utilize the A-340-300 on the route.

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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13258 times:

Finallly, great news!

User currently offlineAI151 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2009, 303 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13213 times:

Excellent, lets see how the loads go on this route. Plus another route out of Europe to get points on my QF card.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13150 times:
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By operating the route via MAD, LAN will be able to offer their customers rapid connections to and from LIM and GYE/UIO.

User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2856 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13048 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
By operating the route via MAD, LAN will be able to offer their customers rapid connections to and from LIM and GYE/UIO.

Thanks for the clarification! I was wondering why there was a need for the MAD stop, now I understand that it serves as a mini scissor hub - the airline's gateway to both Europe and South America! I see the FRA flights also stop there. Any plans to link the LIM-MAD flights to the FRA/CDG services, or for an EZE-MAD service on LAN Argentina?



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13003 times:

It will be interesting to see how LAN performs on this route with the competition of Air France and its DAILY NONSTOP flight CDG-SCL-CDG (B772ER).

Will LAN have traffic rights on the MAD-CDG-MAD leg ?


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12982 times:
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Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 4):
Any plans to link the LIM-MAD flights to the FRA/CDG services, or for an EZE-MAD service on LAN Argentina?

LAN already offers their pax from LIM and GYE/UIO a daily connection to FRA via MAD. EZE-MAD is already well served by Iberia.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 5):
Will LAN have traffic rights on the MAD-CDG-MAD leg

Of course LAN will, just like the daily MAD-FRA-MAD sectors
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User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12681 times:

Sad to know that the plans to fly to CDG through GIG have been scrapped.

User currently offlinetalaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12630 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 5):
It will be interesting to see how LAN performs on this route with the competition of Air France and its DAILY NONSTOP flight CDG-SCL-CDG (B772ER).

Well, LAN surely has all the business pax locked in contracts on the Chilean side, so it should do well and the stopover (even though you don't get to leave the plane so it will be sold as a direct flight) will make it cheaper than AF.

And from some quick research on AF's website, the flight doesn't seem to operate daily, but 4/5x weekly?¿?


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12573 times:

Quoting talaier (Reply 8):
And from some quick research on AF's website, the flight doesn't seem to operate daily, but 4/5x weekly?¿?

5 x Weekly during summer
Daily during winter.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12545 times:
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Quoting talaier (Reply 8):
Well, LAN surely has all the business pax locked in contracts on the Chilean side, so it should do well and the stopover (even though you don't get to leave the plane so it will be sold as a direct flight) will make it cheaper than AF.

  

Also, cargo revenues will increase the yields generated by this direct service.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12393 times:

Very good news for LAN!

I was just wondering, their A340 fleet seems to be a ltlle bit on the busy side, so are they going to get a 6th example?



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12321 times:
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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 11):
Very good news for LAN!

This September, LAN will not only add CDG to its ever-growing network. On 9/16/10, LAN Ecuador will launch UIO-GYE-GPS daily (A-318).

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 11):
I was just wondering, their A340 fleet seems to be a ltlle bit on the busy side, so are they going to get a 6th example?

No, LAN is not going to take on another A343. This year LAN will receive 7 new B763s, then the 787-8s will start to arrive next year.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11418 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12004 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
On 09/02/10, LAN Airlines S.A. will launch a new thrice weekly direct service between SCL and CDG. LA714 will operate SCL-MAD-CDG on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. LA715 will operate CDG-MAD-SCL on Wednesday, Friday and Sunday. LAN will utilize the A-340-300 on the route.

So they will go for a mini hub in MAD with continuing services to CDG and FRA.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 7):
Sad to know that the plans to fly to CDG through GIG have been scrapped.

It seems to be  



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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4002 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11907 times:

This is really not very clever!

The additional SCL-MAD frequencies were placed 1h 10m earlier than the daily flight and the additional MAD-SCL frequencies were placed 1h after the daily MAD-SCL departure.

They should do SCL-MAD-FRA 4 x week, SCL-MAD 3 x week and SCL-CDG-FRA 3 x week. The hit in performance for the SCL-CDG length of haul should be acceptable.


User currently offlinePlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11857 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 12):
Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 11):
I was just wondering, their A340 fleet seems to be a ltlle bit on the busy side, so are they going to get a 6th example?

No, LAN is not going to take on another A343. This year LAN will receive 7 new B763s, then the 787-8s will start to arrive next year.

My thoughts exactly. They´ll have to cut frequencies on either SCL-MAD-FRA or SCL-AKL-SYD to get spare A340 time to operate the route, right?

And in the case something happens to an A340 delays will have a casacading effect through the system.

The SCL-GIG-CDG was interesting because of the fact it could be flown with 763 equipment...

LA is definitely an airline that really need the 787s as soon as possible.

Regards,


User currently offlinetalaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11680 times:

Quoting incitatus (Reply 14):
This is really not very clever!

The additional SCL-MAD frequencies were placed 1h 10m earlier than the daily flight and the additional MAD-SCL frequencies were placed 1h after the daily MAD-SCL departure.

They should do SCL-MAD-FRA 4 x week, SCL-MAD 3 x week and SCL-CDG-FRA 3 x week. The hit in performance for the SCL-CDG length of haul should be acceptable.

Well, it is clear that what works best for Europe-South American flights are the red-eye frequencies, which tend to be more comfortable (at least for those sitting upfront) since they allow for a good night's sleep before arriving in the early morning. IB operates it's SCL flight (codeshared with Lan) literally 15 minutes after the Lan departure: Lan is out at 23:55 and IB at 00:10 if I recall correctly. Another red-eye frequencies should work equally well, especially since theoretically those flights should come pretty full from CDG/FRA.

As to doing an SCL-CDG-FRA flight, I guess Lan has done its numbers and it just works out much better in terms of costs to operate a mini-hub at MAD, where they already have personnel, plenty of space and slots and IB to help them out should they need to re-book passengers.

Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 15):
My thoughts exactly. They´ll have to cut frequencies on either SCL-MAD-FRA or SCL-AKL-SYD to get spare A340 time to operate the route, right?

And in the case something happens to an A340 delays will have a casacading effect through the system.

The SCL-GIG-CDG was interesting because of the fact it could be flown with 763 equipment...

LA is definitely an airline that really need the 787s as soon as possible.

Regards,

Well, at least they have IB and they can re-book premium passengers into their daily flight from MAD should that happen. But yes, it seems Lan is really pushing its fleet. Is there any difference in terms of cabin layout between the A340s and the 767s?


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11650 times:
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When the 787's arrive be looking for nonstop Santiago to each European city, CDG, LHR, FRA as well as the old dependable, Madrid. LHR should be served as its the Northern OW hub in Europe.

User currently offlinePlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11581 times:

Quoting talaier (Reply 16):
operate a mini-hub at MAD

Why create a "mini hub" at MAD when partner IB already has a mega hub there?

For a pax bound for CDG, after stopping in MAD, there isn´t a major difference between flying the last sector to France on LAN or on an IB short haul service.

The big news here I think are not the new CDG flights, but the extra frequencies to MAD. The tag on to CDG comes as a bonus.

I don´t know the schedules of the LIM/ GYE - MAD flights... I wonder if they also allow connections to/ from FRA and CDG.

Regards,


User currently onlineavion660 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11369 times:

magnifique! Now only 209 miles from London!

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11301 times:

After many years out of Paris , they are back ! Great news !
I must say i never understood why they have left the French market , after so many years to be happy with it.
I still remember the time they flew to ORY (Never went to CDG) with 707s and DC10s.
From a spotter corner , that was a very interesting airline , as every time a 707 LA landed at Orly , we always saw a new color scheme ! They had numerous color scheme versions , before getting the definitive one as wore by the DC10s.
Welcome back LA !


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11127 times:
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Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 18):
The big news here I think are not the new CDG flights, but the extra frequencies to MAD. The tag on to CDG comes as a bonus.

With mention of this, is there a possiblility they are adding this extra service via MAD to pick up more capacity when Air Comet went stopped operations?


User currently offlinetalaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11104 times:

Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 18):
Why create a "mini hub" at MAD when partner IB already has a mega hub there?

For a pax bound for CDG, after stopping in MAD, there isn´t a major difference between flying the last sector to France on LAN or on an IB short haul service.

The big news here I think are not the new CDG flights, but the extra frequencies to MAD. The tag on to CDG comes as a bonus.

I don´t know the schedules of the LIM/ GYE - MAD flights... I wonder if they also allow connections to/ from FRA and CDG.

Regards,

It's true but I think there are two important factors, the first being that if you are going to have the 340 sitting on the tarmac in Barajas for a full day, you might as well move it around Europe and with 5th freedom rights you can actually profit from those extra seats being sold and the second implying that for premium customers it's always better to keep the long haul product rather than sticking them into the intra-European "business class" which it's only real bonus- the lounges- aren't going to be used that much anyways since they would be on a connecting flight shortly afterwards.

As to your last point, IB has several (around the 4/5x tag) daily flights- with recently increased frequencies- into FRA, MUC, ORY (IB doesn't serve CDG) , FCO, MXP/LIN as well as other European destinations.

Air Comet's default has a lot to do with this new flight, I agree, but Lan's presence in Europe from SCL is rather limited and bound to increase as global demand picks up.

It will be interesting to see how the 787 changes LAN's presence in Europe, although bear in mind the mini-hub is an extremely cost-effective way for LAN to funnel passengers in Europe.


User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11009 times:

It is wonderful to see LAN expanding firmly and profitably...

... What a great airline !!!

Best regards



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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4002 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10922 times:

Quoting talaier (Reply 16):
it just works out much better in terms of costs to operate a mini-hub at MAD,

I just cringe at the idea of calling LA's operation at MAD a "mini-hub". Hubs are either large scale operations or operations with lots of connecting opportunities. The addition of SCL-MAD-CDG creates zero LA-to-LA connecting opportunities at MAD.

Quoting talaier (Reply 16):
where they already have personnel, plenty of space and slots and IB to help them out should they need to re-book passengers

You are omitting the potential of LA offering SCL-CDG nonstop. With AF doing it daily or close to daily, LA's nonstop presence in the market would attract a lot more passengers than a MAD stop.


25 IrishAyes : LA operates a one-stop flight in JFK on its services to Toronto (SCL-JFK-YYZ) even though AC offers a nonstop between SCL and YYZ, at high season on
26 Arcano : Actually, lan.com offers just 10 minutes difference between LA704 and LA714 when departing Santiago, and also 10 minutes later LA715 vs LA705 when de
27 SCL767 : LA operated SCL-MAD 9x weekly last Christmas season when Air Comet entered BK. That is correct. The A343s will operate SCL-AKL-SYD daily, SCL-MAD-FRA
28 talaier : LA has its code on a sizeable number of IB flights to European destinations (when you walk from the gates LAN uses in Terminal 4S there's actually- o
29 LipeGIG : Me too. May be the concept returns with another market. Now that JJ will cover the FRA gap, still missing Italy for example. In my view, considering
30 EddieDude : I guess they rely on AA and QF for Asian connections at the moment. Is this correct?
31 SCL767 : LAN's pax have many choices to Asia via JFK and LAX with other oneworld carriers. LAN uses AA, CX JAL etc. Also, LAN code-shares on KE's daily LAX-IC
32 IAD380 : Why did LA choose CDG over LHR as its third destination in Europe? LA will face stiff competition from AF on flights to CDG, whereas it would have fac
33 talaier : Plus the daily flight to SYD and all the connections Qantas can offer from there to pretty much anywhere in South East Asia. LHR could well provide c
34 incitatus : None of this justifies flying both SCL-MAD-CDG and SCL-MAD-FRA almost at the same time. The only reasonable justification is that LA feels they need
35 SCL767 : IMO, LA will fly into LHR in due course. BA does not operate LHR-BEY, LHR-DAM, LHR-THR, LHR-TUN, etc. and doesn't even operate into Morocco. LH dropp
36 talaier : I agree with you, SCL-MAD needs more capacity. But I think that even if they could send an 343 to CDG they wouldn't do so directly and funnel it thro
37 OP3000 : No - they dropped it, but now LX flies to SCL operating a tag from GRU.
38 kiwiandrew : No , it went a while back , it was replaced for a while by an LX-operated tag to SCL ( although , IIRC , it was from GRU rather than EZE but still co
39 SCL767 : LX dropped ZRH-GIG-SCL last year and doesn't operate into SCL.
40 Viscount724 : LH operates nonstop EZE-FRA with 744 (6 per week).
41 OP3000 : You're right - its gone. Although it was through GRU not GIG.
42 SCL767 : Yes, it was via GRU, not GIG. LX097 operated its last flight out of SCL on 3/29/09.
43 LipeGIG : As mentioned more on AA, QF and KE. Not so good considering it demand 3 stops to reach Asia (LIM, LAX and ICN). Agree, that's why i believe LHR would
44 eastern023 : LAN is the best and the worst thing for SCL these days. A great airline so why would Chileans fly something else but LAN (specially when the alternati
45 OP3000 : Very doubtful about the AA 777s, since they have ATI with LA and most of the premium traffic on the route prefers flying them. IAD I believe is still
46 SCL767 : LAN is by far the BEST thing at SCL, period! LAN will continue to expand at SCL and AA will most likely not use the B772 on the MIA-SCL route in the
47 Arcano : Exactly my toughts, and although I LOVE LAN, I think after flying QF and BA, LA is not that better, although it has by far the best IFE I've flown wi
48 IrishAyes : I don't really see much of your logic here. Sure, SCL doesn't have the variety that other South American airports like EZE, GRU, CCS, and to a lesser
49 Post contains images IAD380 : I hope that LA will inaugurate SCL-LIM-IAD soon after it takes delivery of the 787s. If LA starts this route, IAD will have direct flights to most ma
50 incitatus : Yes, for sure! Just look next door to Argentina. No strong carrier, a bad airport setup (EZE+AEP), and to top it off, a horrible government.
51 OP3000 : LA has been good for the aviation sector in SCL and Chile generally, not to mention the job market there. However, its dominance at SCL overall and i
52 IAD380 : Has LA considered making some or all of its flights to FRA nonstop? Presumably, there is suffiecient O&D traffic between SCL and FRA. Do its 343s
53 OP3000 : The A340-300 can't make it fully loaded, by about 100-200 miles. But even if the aircraft could make it, FRA is not high-density enough for a 250-300
54 IAD380 : Thank you, OP3000
55 OP3000 : LX/LH and LA probably would have nonstop SCL-Europe flights by now (other than MAD) had they had B772ERs like AF does. The triple 7's have roughly th
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