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LX 340 In Hong Kong "3 Tires Burst"  
User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Switzerland, joined Dec 2009, 543 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 32170 times:

According to this morning's NewsPaper 20min.ch last Thursday a A340 with 226 Passangers that was taxing for TakeOff 3 Tires burst. The a/c is still in HongKong right now and is been investigated. Passengers made with a delay of 24h there way back to ZRH.


I did not find any Link yet... but will be posted a.s.a.p


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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3613 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 31494 times:

According to the rumors the debris from the explosion also caused damage to the wing structure and at least one of the engines...


Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 31473 times:

So the A430 blew 3 tires on taxi? I assume the only way that could happen is by running over debris?

User currently offlineka From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 655 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 31352 times:

a/c involved is HB-JMM (msn 154).

KA.



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User currently offlinesandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3415 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 31326 times:

Unfortunately I'm not allowed to release any factual information, however it should be pretty obvious that three simple tire bursts won't cause a 24 hours delay and the need to fly in a replacement aircraft.

The aircraft involved is still in HKG as we speak.


User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Switzerland, joined Dec 2009, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 31085 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 2):
So the A430 blew 3 tires on taxi? I assume the only way that could happen is by running over debris?

I guess just a spelling mistake with the A430  
Quoting francoflier (Reply 1):
According to the rumors the debris from the explosion.....

Remember the EDW A332 in Miami when the Eng blew up!!! Quite terrible how the fusellage took the damage... Was a few weeks in MIA!!

Quoting sandroZRH (Reply 4):
...simple tire bursts won't cause a 24 hours delay and the need to fly in a replacement aircraft.

Agree... that was only about the Passengers written in the NewsPaper... It was not mentioned that the A340 is still in Hong Kong...

Did try to find some information on the Net... but there is nothing yet....!



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User currently offlinemusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 29992 times:

I can only hope that the plane will be fixed asap, and flew back to ZRH (hopefully not empty but with some freight on) and return to regular service. What is happening with them now with one A340 short? Hope their schedule wont be affected much.

Appreciated Sandro who can't tell us the facts but hope things are not serious.

regards
musapapaya



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2117 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 25940 times:

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 6):
I can only hope that the plane will be fixed asap, and flew back to ZRH (hopefully not empty but with some freight on) and return to regular service. What is happening with them now with one A340 short? Hope their schedule wont be affected much.

I had to fly with an A321 from TLV to ZRH on LX 255 last saturday and the crew didn't give any details but just mentioned that due to an A340 that went tech in HKG the flight was downgraded. In addition some ZRH-JNB sectors and ZRH-GRU sectors were operated in the morning instead of the night before and ZRH-NRT left ZRH with aproximate 4 hours delay the last 2 days as incoming aircraft first was scheduled to arrive in the afternoon from PVG and LAX. There is definetly some interuption in the LX long haul operations and it obviusly doesn't help that the 6th A333 is already over due for delivery since a couple of weeks.

As the plane soon sits in HKG for one week it might well take a bit longer as the problem is more serious. I am sure that LH is not using it's long haul fleet currently to the maximum therefore wouldn't it be possible for them to make available an A340 to be used by SWISS until HB-JMM is fixed?


User currently offlineLX138 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 25423 times:

The hub of the right main gear failed on the aircraft during taxi on taxiway J towards takeoff.

Manufactured in 1996, and one of the ex AC examples, it's also one of the oldest aircraft in the fleet. Repairs are being sought.

Let's hope the schedule is kept up on my favourite route  



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User currently offlinemusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24610 times:

Quoting LX138 (Reply 8):
The hub of the right main gear failed on the aircraft during taxi on taxiway J towards takeoff.

Pardon my ignorance, but what does the 'hub' of the landing gear means? If it fails during take off or landing, what would be the consequences?

Quoting LX138 (Reply 8):
Let's hope the schedule is kept up on my favourite route

for my favourite airline!

regards
musapapaya



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User currently offlinej0rdan From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 24140 times:

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Thread starter):
I did not find any Link yet... but will be posted a.s.a.p
http://avherald.com/h?article=429bde90&opt=0

jordan


User currently offlineAerosol From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 552 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 20471 times:

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 9):
Pardon my ignorance, but what does the 'hub' of the landing gear means? If it fails during take off or landing, what would be the consequences?

Whatever it means they were very lucky it happened during taxi... Tires burst and damaged engine does not sound like a scenario you want to experience after v1.


User currently offlineBuckFifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1316 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 20240 times:

If a hub fails:

a) The wheel will probably seize.
b) The tire(s) will be dragged along the ground, creating considerable heat.
c) Tire(s) may explode with the sudden increase in heat, causing them to blow out without the fuse plugs entering the equation.
d) A seized hub may cause additional damage to the landing gear assembly. Dependent on the failure.
e) Spare parts will probably be available in HKG at HAECO.


User currently offlinetsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19695 times:

Saw a Swiss A340 with no. 4 engine removed (engine was sitting on an engine stand infront of a/c) at HAECO when we taxied past on Monday. Presumably this is the aircraft in question.


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User currently offlineetarsa From Netherlands, joined Feb 2010, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19481 times:

HB-JMM damage pics....nice tire faillure.













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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18704 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19249 times:

Quoting etarsa (Reply 14):
HB-JMM damage pics....nice tire faillure.

Ugh. Looks messy, especially the fuselage damage. What's all the fluid? Did the firefighters spray it?

With an A343 being worth what it is, I start to wonder if this could even be a W/O...


User currently offlinemusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19203 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
With an A343 being worth what it is, I start to wonder if this could even be a W/O...

From a layman's point of view, I dont think it will be a write-off.

regards
musapapaya



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User currently offlineetarsa From Netherlands, joined Feb 2010, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19182 times:

It is absolutely NO write-off, there is a deep footprint of a failed rim number 4 in the lh reverser of engine 3. That can be replaced. And maybe a new boogie beam, couple of axles, 4 new tires with brakes and a couple of hundred feet new runway.
Not cheap but definitely not a comercial w/o.
I am more worried of the quality of the rims from the A340, probably time for a new AD note for chapter ATA 32.

[Edited 2010-04-07 10:07:29]


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User currently offlineshizzlmizzl From Switzerland, joined Apr 2009, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 18952 times:

Uh pics dont look very nice. Did the rim just blow off the wheel? Im sure that could be dangerous if somebody was around the plane...

User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Switzerland, joined Dec 2009, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 18907 times:

Quoting etarsa (Reply 14):
HB-JMM damage pics....nice tire faillure.

OHG !!!!!!!! Thanks for sharing... looks really shocking... So it seams that will stay a good deal longer in HGK!!

Quoting tsentsan (Reply 13):
Saw a Swiss A340 with no. 4 engine removed (engine was sitting on an engine stand infront of a/c) at HAECO when we taxied past on Monday. Presumably this is the aircraft in question.

And what about Engine No. 3? Could there be any damage to it also? Maybe depends how the debirs was heading under the wing? Fuselage/Main landing gear damage could be more serious then it looks like!?

Correct me, but the A345 that had the tail strike in Australia was flown back by Airbus "Test" Pilots for a complete Check-Up on the Aircraft, so this could be in the case of HB-JMM the same?



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User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 18903 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
What's all the fluid?

Hydraulic fluid


User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1097 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 18834 times:

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 19):
looks really shocking.

Does it? I don't think so at all. Looks actually pretty average.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):

With an A343 being worth what it is, I start to wonder if this could even be a W/O...

What are you talking about? Whats the need for the sensationalism??
Take a million EUR and the thing is fixed.
Btw., its not the fuselage being damaged, but the reverser cowl.

Totally overrated the whole incident.
The biggest issue is lack of the aircraft for the flight schedule.


User currently offlineetarsa From Netherlands, joined Feb 2010, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 18784 times:

Quoting NicoEDDF (Reply 21):

Totally overrated the whole incident.



Now we are talking. Just an other day @ the office.

 

[Edited 2010-04-07 11:49:08]


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User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Switzerland, joined Dec 2009, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 18688 times:

Quoting NicoEDDF (Reply 21):
Totally overrated the whole incident.

Slightly before V1 you wouldn't feel that well I guess... But Etarsa wrote all....!!!! Only better that better to be at home then at office  



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2117 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 18577 times:

Does someone know how long this will take until the plane will be back in scheduled service and also how LX will make up for the missing aircraft, rent a LH A340 for the time being etc?

25 Post contains images LX138 : Tell me your joking, the A340-300 have strong residual values as used types and there are (despite what you may read on this site) a very limited sup
26 Post contains links poh2 : Using this website: http://data.flight24.com/airplanes/hb-jmi/ I was trying to account for all of LX's A343s...and just ran down each reg from HB-JMA
27 DocLightning : Oh, I thought it was the fuselage. That would be more than $1M. Never mind. I guess the A343 has a stronger value than I thought.
28 teme82 : I think that they will fix that in HKG ... I know that AY has outsourced some heavy (A340) checks to firm in there so they should be able to fix that
29 seabosdca : This is an early non-X example, which have been somewhat less in demand than the later and more capable ones, but this is not nearly enough damage to
30 Post contains images NicoEDDF : Slightly before V1 I wouldn't make a comment that the incident is totally overrated! But as it was taxiing, yes, comments like "shocking" are way off
31 B738FlyUIA : Yes, I see this so to, as when HB-JMM get's back to ZRH it will in store in stead JMI?
32 CX flyboy : Hong Kong remember is where Cathay are based and Cathay operate a large fleet of A340s. Of course they would be able to fix this. At worst, a new lan
33 francoflier : Well, there is the issue of a tire rim failing catastrophically for no apparent reason as it was under no particular stress at the time... An investi
34 NicoEDDF : I totally understand this and I would talk differently if the failure happened during take-off roll or during deceleration after touchdown. However:
35 CCA : I'm surprised it went so far forward to hit #3.[Edited 2010-04-09 02:00:32 by cca]
36 francoflier : Improper installation of the tire assy is also on the table I suppose.
37 Post contains links B738FlyUIA : http://www.aero.de/news-10066/Platze...edigen-Swiss-Airbus-A340-300-.html According to this link the A340 could fly back to Zurich earliest next Satur
38 NicoEDDF : Do you have any idea on a time frame (Cycles) in which improper installation of the tire assy would lead to the ultimate failure?
39 Post contains images francoflier : None... And in any case I presume it would vary greatly depending on the nature of the error and what the wheel assy went through after installation
40 Post contains images NicoEDDF : Metal crack, thats what I say!
41 francoflier : Either that or someone kicked the tire a bit too hard during the walkaround...
42 NicoEDDF : The well known evil tire kicker?
43 BuckFifty : Just saw the aircraft at HAECO tonight, looks like the landing gear assembly has been repaired. Couldn't see the engines, however.
44 zeke : A lot of people do not realise that wheels normally see their highest temperatures and pressures on the taxi for takeoff rather than after landing. A
45 sandroZRH : a team of SRTechnics engineers were flown to HKG and they replaced the engine and the whole gear assembly, so the aircraft should be returning to ZRH
46 LXA340 : All A343's are deployed and HB-JMI is undergoing heavy maintenance and should be back into service in the next week. HB-JHF and G should've been deli
47 ka : JMI had its testflight around mid-day last friday (04/09/10) and was back in scheduled service that night. KA.
48 Post contains links dairy : HB-JMM on a video standing in HKG at HAECO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqbz9tHKrYk
49 LXA340 : Is this now the first A343 equiped with the new Business Class?
50 musapapaya : Are these seats from UK's Contour that delayed all these deliveries?
51 Post contains links B738FlyUIA : Thanks for posting!! According to the link that is posted http://data.flight24.com/airplanes/hb-jmm/ it had following Flight Info: Latest flights by
52 LXA340 : I think they are from them
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