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CO To Stop EWR-BRS November 7  
User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14610 times:
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As reported on the BRS website.

Think this was the weakest of the UK regional routes they had. Frees up a 757 unless it's earmarked for LHR?

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User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3613 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14227 times:

Maybe they can put it to use on a second daily LIS route like they used to have!

wishful thinking, I know  



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User currently offlineAwyrCymru From UK - Wales, joined Jul 2005, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14208 times:

This is a shame, but the news hasn't come as a major surprise, in this economic climate.

Its a shame that the UK 10th (Bristol) and 12th (Cardiff) biggest cities can't sustain a trans-Atlantic service.

With Heathrow just down the M4 motorway (I can normally do the drive from J19 to 4B of the M4 1h 40min) the CO76/77 service was going to struggle to compete with the range of services on offer from Heathrow and also, since the Bristol service started, Continental having opened and grown it's operations from Heathrow following open skies.

I always have a fondness for the service - there was something special in taking off from Bristol on a direct service to EWR, seeing the Severn Bridge on climb out and some 7 hours later seeing the New York skyline on landing in Newark.



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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2027 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14140 times:

Too bad... Micro-novelty routes are interesting, but can't be always sustained.

This route started when CO only went to LGW correct?


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14101 times:
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Quoting klwright69 (Reply 3):
This route started when CO only went to LGW correct?

The route started May 2005.


User currently offlinecle757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14079 times:

Ok, now bring back CLE-LHR.


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User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 783 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14078 times:

It was reported that COA are starting a fifth daily EGLL-KEWR flight for the winter season, maybe it is this aircraft that will be used

User currently offlineexFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13902 times:

This is a shame, really - I flew this route several times to visit friends in Devon, and always appreciated the ease and speed of arriving in BRS instead of having to deal with the pain in the posterior that is Heathrow.

Guess I'll have to try KLM's connecting service through AMS, or build my own connection with a day or two somewhere else on either end, then go into BRS on EasyJet. Or Exeter on Flybe. Or...well. something that isn't Heathrow.

Hopefully I'll get to take this one last time before it ends...


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19205 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13848 times:

Purely in terms of passenger numbers, CO flew 83,284 on EWR-BRS-EWR in 2009, down -8% on 2008. For comparative purposes, CO flew 99,794 on EWR-BFS-EWR in 2009, virtually identical to 2008.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13753 times:
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Quoting exFATboy (Reply 7):
Or Exeter on Flybe

would be tight connection if using MAN:

CO020 New York-Ewr T2 Scheduled 07:40
BE372 Exeter T3 Scheduled 08:35


User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12999 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 9):
Quoting exFATboy (Reply 7):
Or Exeter on Flybe

would be tight connection if using MAN:

CO020 New York-Ewr T2 Scheduled 07:40
BE372 Exeter T3 Scheduled 08:35

The BE372 could be retimed to improve connections in MAN, as the 371/372 has one of the lowest average LFs of BE's Domestics out of EXT. By retiming it to a slightly later time you could really capitalise on North America flights or even carribean charter flights connections. Against this, the evening EXT - MAN - EXT (375/376) is one of the strongest performers.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12863 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
CO flew 83,284 on EWR-BRS-EWR in 2009, down -8% on 2008.

Well that is about 228 pax a day. A CO 757 holds 175 pax according to seatguru,



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12782 times:
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 11):
Well that is about 228 pax a day. A CO 757 holds 175 pax according to seatguru,

You've forgotten to divide by 2 as the total pax = EWR-BRS and BRS-EWR ! Loads were around the 66% mark if on a daily basis, but obviously skewered more to the Y class and not the J class! But the back of my mind says it was 5 weekly in winter time? So take 43 days away and loads "shoot up" to 129 a flight and around 75% loads.

[Edited 2010-04-06 09:59:11]

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19205 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12719 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 11):
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
CO flew 83,284 on EWR-BRS-EWR in 2009, down -8% on 2008.

Well that is about 228 pax a day. A CO 757 holds 175 pax according to seatguru,

I did put EWR-BRS-EWR, implying you must divide the number by 2. So, 83,284/2 = 41,642 / 365 days (assuming operated everyday) = 114 seats filled on average each day. Based on a capacity of 175 seats, this means an average load factor of around 65%.

Remember: this does not discuss yields.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12492 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 12):
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 13):

Opps, my bad guys. Then it is more understandable why CO will stop this route.



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User currently offlineairzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10877 times:

Too bad... Micro-novelty routes are interesting, but can't be always sustained

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 13):
I did put EWR-BRS-EWR, implying you must divide the number by 2. So, 83,284/2 = 41,642 / 365 days (assuming operated everyday) = 114 seats filled on average each day. Based on a capacity of 175 seats, this means an average load factor of around 65%.

Not to be pedantic, but this is not how you calculate load factor. LF is RPM/ASM.

The only thing these boarding figures can tell you is generally the occupied seat count on a given segment. Which, quite frankly, without any other additional information is essentially meaningless.


User currently offlineletsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10495 times:

Wouldn't surprise me if this aircraft was used for a second daily EWR-FRA flt.

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19205 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10413 times:

Quoting airzim (Reply 15):
The only thing these boarding figures can tell you is generally the occupied seat count on a given segment. Which, quite frankly, without any other additional information is essentially meaningless.

Hence why I put:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
Purely in terms of passenger numbers
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 13):
Remember: this does not discuss yields.

But you conveniently forgot those things.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineairzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10284 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 13):
this means an average load factor of around 65%.

This is what you wrote. LOAD FACTOR of around 65%. Is is definitionally incorrect.

The correct calculation of LF doesn't explicitly consider passenger counts or yield either. So your 'caveats' are non sequiturs.


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10073 times:

Please update me: The earlier problems with only moderate breaking performance in wet weather on BRS's runway are a thing of the past, or ?
-HT



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19205 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9955 times:

Quoting airzim (Reply 18):
This is what you wrote. LOAD FACTOR of around 65%. Is is definitionally incorrect.

Whatever.

Rather than merely picking holes, why don't you do the calculation yourself?

[Edited 2010-04-06 13:47:41]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9957 times:
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Quoting airzim (Reply 15):
Not to be pedantic, but this is not how you calculate load factor. LF is RPM/ASM

So when a MAN spokesman says EK's services have a 96% load factor, we should take it with a grain of salt because he's not in the right industry for calculating it? Most people i.e the public, would not care HOW it's determined. They will say it's lightly loaded, fully loaded or whatever when discussing their travels. If you were to tell them that that even if the plane is 100% full, the load factor may not be 100%, they will laugh in your face whether you like it or not.


User currently offlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9616 times:

This really sucks! Was this route subsidised at all? I know a lot of people who use the flight, both at work and my own family (self included), but if it isn't profitable then it doesn't make sense keeping it. Perhaps it will return when the US/UK economies have sufficiently rebounded. LHR isn't too far, sure as hell better than LGW, location wise.

Quoting HT (Reply 19):
Please update me: The earlier problems with only moderate breaking performance in wet weather on BRS's runway are a thing of the past, or ?
-HT

From what I recall, yes the issue with the runway was corrected, they shut it down to cut grooves into it to allow for better drainage.

Cheers,

MCO-2-BRS


User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3013 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9474 times:

This must come as a real blow to Bristol Airport they have worked really hard with Continental to get this route to work ever since launch...

I think this has taken the airport by surprise, on their website they released a press release only on the 30th March stating on how they are promoting the EWR-BRS to travel agents of the South West.

http://www.bristolairport.co.uk/news...0/03/continental-travel-guide.aspx

I notice on their website the airport is stating they are seeking another airline to operate the route... The only realistic options are American Airlines or Delta who have a significant presence in the NYC area, but neither of these two have a significant presence on local routes to UK regional cities and think they would be reluctant to pick up this baton.

One think BRS does have in its favour unlike other UK regional airports which are only saturated with LCC, is that KLM, Air France and Brussels Airlines all operate from the airport and can offer connections through their relevent hubs to the US through Star Alliance and SkyTeam.


User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8879 times:

If the route wasn't subsidised in some way, I would be dumbfounded. Continental advertise BRS - EWR on EVERY single surface within the city of Bristol and have done for years. The advertisments basically cover the entire southwest of england and I am guessing South Wales too. Even 100 miles away the adverts are a common sight on billboards and busses (which have also commonly got U2 adverts for their BRS routes too).


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25 zonks : I'm actually heading to Minehead in May and then spending two full days in BRS. I considered the BRS-EWR flight on the return but ultimately decided a
26 trintocan : Now this is a shock! Here in South Wales CO have advertised their services from BRS quite widely with billboards, posters, newspaper ads and the like.
27 FutureUScapt : True, but RPM/ASM is the same as revenue pax * miles / seats * miles and miles is constant so you can essentially throw that out. And unless you are
28 HT : Would there be any free slot for another service to LHR ? -HT
29 Daninafryingpan : I felt the same on BFS - EWR but I also felt a bit strange since I was flying out of a relatively small airport for a transatlantic flight. I felt as
30 exFATboy : To be pedantic about your pedantry here, for the purposes of this discussion the distinction is moot, you can ignore the "miles" side of the equation
31 MasseyBrown : I flew it last October in B/F and it was full eastbound, near full westbound, pleasant flights. Maybe it will return in the spring of 2011. As a relat
32 nqyguy : About the same really- but it depends if you mean airport stations or city centre locations. Sounds good, have fun. Unusually, and perhaps you're awa
33 fcogafa : Rather than initially flying eastbound to connect to go westbound would it not be better to connect at Dublin or Shannon with EIN - they must have EGG
34 surfandsnow : Sad to see CGN and now BRS go. I hope we don't see CO start consolidating its impressive transatlantic network into a few major gateways a la UA and A
35 EXTspotter : 3 x Daily to DUB on FR Only EI flight to BRS is RE (Sold as EI Regional) daily to ORK
36 ohthedrama747 : As long as they keep the Edinburgh route going I'll be happy. I'm unfortunately going via Heathrow this year as there prices were a bit high to LAX, b
37 CO787EWR : Hopefully they'll come back... seasonal maybe?
38 HT : & Don't you think, if this were the intention, it would have been hinted in the original message to keep customers a bit happier ? -HT
39 CODC10 : I'm not saying BRS is likely to come back, but in 2008, EWR-ATH service was completely dropped, then resumed on a seasonal basis a few months later.
40 fun2fly : The fact that CO will kill it all together vs. going to a winter 5x week schedule is probably highlighting that is was not that good of a performer. I
41 Post contains images TOLtommy : I heard the final blow was that they couldn't get the drop tanks on the 145 to work properly, or the route would've stayed around..... But seriously,
42 Viscount724 : Without knowing how many passengers are non-revs or FFP redemptions, you really can't know the load factor. And it wouldn't surprise me if a route li
43 airzim : That's precisely the point. Non revs, redemption travel, changes to aircraft gauge, and frequency all factor into this equation. While I will admit t
44 mainMAN : How about EWR - BHX? Trains every half hour to Bristol from Birmingham, one train an hour continuing to Plymouth via Taunton, Tiverton, Exeter, Totne
45 letsgetwet : Like I said before, look for a second daily EWR-FRA.
46 shamrock604 : I would be very surprised if EI / RE didnt use this opportunity to re-launch Aer Lingus service to BRS. An early morning flight ex BRS would connect
47 Caaardiff : Or just fly CWL-DUB-JFK (any other EI transatlantic route) BRS falls into CWL's catchment area as much as CWL falls into BRS. Anyone North of BRS can
48 PlymSpotter : But from the M5/M4 interchange you can add another hour to CWL. Most people would rather spend that hour going down the M4 to LHR and have more choic
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