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TG Will Lease 3 X 77Ws From 9W  
User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1506 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10958 times:

I haven't seen this reported here yet ... but it's now confirmed that TG will dry lease these B777-300ERs from 9W.

The newer planes will enable TG to offer passengers a more competive product, on two key routes at least:

http://www.jetairways.com/EN/GB/PressReleases/DryLease.aspx

http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/thai-upgrade-premium-seating

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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31098 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10747 times:
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There was a blurb about it in this thread - Thai Goes Shopping (Part 2) (by PM Mar 14 2010 in Civil Aviation) - but it's four days old and didn't mention where the planes would be utilized.

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6596 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10490 times:

Nice to get confirmation on this!

Thanks for the links!

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10211 times:

Good for NRT- and CDG-bound (or originating) pax! Will the IFE be personalized?


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10162 times:

Will be a beautiful aircraft. I wonder how these planes compare to their A346s on a per seat cost basis. Kudos to TG   


We often judge others by their actions, but ourselves by our intentions.
User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9381 times:

The never ending saga/rumors of the Jet Airways 77Ws.

User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9311 times:

BKK-NRT is showing as 2889 miles on Great Circle Mapper - TG does not need 77Ws for range - their existing 773s could do these flights, though it will be nice for them to offer long range product. Has TG managed to get access to Haneda Airport as Singapore Airlines has done?

Is there time to install the interiors that TG would want, or will they take them with 9W cabins?




tg


User currently offlineinitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1066 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9234 times:

It'd be great to see a 77W in TG's colours! However, even TG is implementing the herringbone layout on their J class? It doesn't really appeal to me, it seems like I cannot get a good view out of the window and makes you feel claustrophobic.


One way I will fly around the world!
User currently offlineConti764 From Belgium, joined Dec 2007, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7993 times:

In a few years those 77W's will have had every carriers livery  

User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7587 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 6):
Is there time to install the interiors that TG would want, or will they take them with 9W cabins?

I would imagine they will retain 9W's cabins. I would have thought that installing modern seating (especially F and J class) is a complex process with wiring etc So it would be easier to retain the existing seats which, in any case, are better than TG's F and J seating on its B747s.

Quoting initious (Reply 7):
However, even TG is implementing the herringbone layout on their J class? It doesn't really appeal to me, it seems like I cannot get a good view out of the window and makes you feel claustrophobic.

Pax all have their likes and dislikes as far as J class is concerned. Some may not like the herringbone layout but others do. It's "horses for courses."


User currently offlineAerosol From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7370 times:

They just need to order the 343/2 and the 77L to make their collection of Boeing & Airbus widebodies developed beyond 1990 complete.

User currently offlinebojangles From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7370 times:

Quoting initious (Reply 7):
It'd be great to see a 77W in TG's colours! However, even TG is implementing the herringbone layout on their J class? It doesn't really appeal to me, it seems like I cannot get a good view out of the window and makes you feel claustrophobic.

Take it you haven't travelled in TG's crap latest J seat then! Frankly the 9W J seat will be on a par with TG's F seat, comfort wise.


User currently offlinethaia345 From Indonesia, joined Oct 2006, 877 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5599 times:

Quoting bojangles (Reply 11):
9W J seat will be on a par with TG's F seat, comfort wise.

9X's J seat in herringbone layout is actually a similar version of Virgin Atlantic and Air New Zealand. Amongst all J herringbone seats I have tried, this is the most spacious and comfortable one. Just my 2 cents worth.


User currently offlinepink77W From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5445 times:

will they be going to LAX anytime soon?

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6596 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5230 times:

Quoting pink77W (Reply 13):

will they be going to LAX anytime soon?

No; they will be going to CDG and NRT. But it's been mentioned that TG is looking to lease more 77Ws, possibly from AI and then they may use them to LAX although they would need to sell the A340-500s as well.

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5841 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5097 times:

Arent TG business seats same an JAL?

Quoting bojangles (Reply 11):


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4614 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 15):
Arent TG business seats same an JAL?

Which J class seat ? Which plane type ?

I ask, because TG has a varied fleet and J class too can vary depending on the plane type. For example, TG's B747s have three different types of J class seating.

When you book one of TG's A340-500s or A340-600s you are sure to get TG's latest angled lie-flat seat. This is not the case with TG's B747s.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5841 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4476 times:

Around 2005 when they introduced A340.

User currently offlinepink77W From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

The777man, Thanks very much

User currently offlinethaia345 From Indonesia, joined Oct 2006, 877 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 14):
LAX although they would need to sell the A340-500s as well.

If you do some searching on TG's website in the corporate news area, on an articel about Tg's fleet plan from 2010-2014, the 4 A345 are slated to be sold off.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 16):
Which J class seat ? Which plane type ?

I ask, because TG has a varied fleet and J class too can vary depending on the plane type. For example, TG's B747s have three different types of J class seating.

When you book one of TG's A340-500s or A340-600s you are sure to get TG's latest angled lie-flat seat. This is not the case with TG's B747s.

The 1st generation angled lie flats are available on their B744 (7442 Config), A345, A346, B772A, B773A. 2nd generation angled lie flats are avail on B772ER and A333 (2nd batch which are delivered from 2009 onwards, will have 8 of them by end of this year.

For the 1st generation seats, from as far as I know, they are the same as MH and JL. ANd i am sure a few other airlines also use them.

Btw, I am booked to fly on TG's first B773ER flight to NRt on 1st June ...cant wait !

Hope this helps.


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 761 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

9W may aswell put their 77Ws out of their misery and lease/sell the whole fleet out. They hardly seem to be on to a winner with them.

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6596 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

Quoting thaia345 (Reply 19):
the 4 A345 are slated to be sold off

Figured that but they've tried to sell them before and didn't get the price they wanted for them.Will TG lower the price this time around ? Or do they have a buyer already that's willing to pay the price TG wants for them ?

Just because TG says it will sell the 345s, doesn't mean they have someone to pay for them.

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlinethaia345 From Indonesia, joined Oct 2006, 877 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 21):
Figured that but they've tried to sell them before and didn't get the price they wanted for them.Will TG lower the price this time around ? Or do they have a buyer already that's willing to pay the price TG wants for them ?

Just because TG says it will sell the 345s, doesn't mean they have someone to pay for them.

Now thats a while different answer too, sure TG wants to sell them, but like before, no one wants them. What I think they should just reconfigure the aircraft, with its light density now, its definitely not paying dividends. What i suggest is, still use them for their ULH flights, but reduce J seats and maybe upgrade the J seats to a full flat one, and increase the number of Premium Y and Y seats, they can also reduce the legroom on Premium Y and Y, currently they are far to generous on the leg room.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6596 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

Quoting thaia345 (Reply 22):
Now thats a while different answer too, sure TG wants to sell them, but like before, no one wants them. What I think they should just reconfigure the aircraft, with its light density now, its definitely not paying dividends. What i suggest is, still use them for their ULH flights, but reduce J seats and maybe upgrade the J seats to a full flat one, and increase the number of Premium Y and Y seats, they can also reduce the legroom on Premium Y and Y, currently they are far to generous on the leg room.

From what I've read somewhere, is that they will reduce legroom in Y but they it looks like they are still to be sold off. I'm just curious who they can sell them too ?

Looking forward to see 777-300/ER in TG colors. Perhaps TG will puchase some directly from Boeing later ?

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlinethaia345 From Indonesia, joined Oct 2006, 877 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 23):
Looking forward to see 777-300/ER in TG colors. Perhaps TG will puchase some directly from Boeing later ?

I sure hope so, i really love the B773ER and they are really great on ULH. But it may seem unlikely. I know for the short term (next 3-5) years, TG will bridge the gap to the B787 by leasing ready to go B773ER, as you know, they have already got 3 from Jet Airways, and they are now in the last stages of negotiating with Air India for another 3 B773ER. The Air India planes are actually in the final assembly line at Everett, so it will be factory fresh when delivered to TG.

The main issue with TG as we have heard too many times is that they have a much too complex fleet of aircraft currently flying. A300-600, A300-600R (although a lot of these airframes are being phased out), A333 (they have old aircraft, and also 8 new build ones that were being delivered since 2009, but more than half of these have been completed, but stuck in Toulouse due to the Y seat manufacturer defaulting on their delivery, these airframes were meant to be a one on one replacement for their older A300's) And to add, they still got B772A, B773A, B772ER, A345, and A346, and of course B744's!!! Great for an aviation enthusiast wanting to fly different wide bodies with one airline, but definitely a nightmare on the maintainance front. The main issue with TG if you have a closer look is that, once they decided to purchase a new a/c, they always order it in quite low number. They should actually decide on which aircraft is the best fit for their routes and order them in bulk! LEts hope they get it right with their new aircraft orders within the next decade!.

Just my 2 cents worth  


25 The777Man : I didn't know TG had commited to the 787, either thru direct order or lease ? The777-300/ER is a very good replacement for the 744 so perhaps they wi
26 LondonCity : The A345s are used on various routes and not just the once daily BKK-LAX ultra long-haul service. I read a TG flight check on this site where an A345
27 thaia345 : They have officially mentioned thru their corporate news release (some time early last year) that the aircraft will be leased. They will also be gett
28 Jacobin777 : IIRC, they still have 3 which are used for "trunk routes" and if the economy picks up, they can start using them again once the dry leases are over.
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