Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Allegiant Announces Eugene (EUG) To LAX  
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4863 times:

Allegiant announced new service from Eugene to Los Angeles this morning.

Flights start June 3 and will operate Thurs/Sun.

Schedule:
dep LAX 3:40 pm arr Eugene 5:50 pm
dep Eugene 6:30 pm arr LAX 8:40 pm
http://www.allegiantair.com/aaNews/aaNews20100406a.php


"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
19 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

And to add to the gossip mill,   I just saw this in an article about the new EUG-LAX flights.

"Allegiant plans to start offering flights to Hawaii later this year, possibly, LoPiccolo hints, from Eugene."
http://news.opb.org/article/7061-low...t-airline-offer-flights-eugene-la/



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6383 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 1):
And to add to the gossip mill, I just saw this in an article about the new EUG-LAX flights.

"Allegiant plans to start offering flights to Hawaii later this year, possibly, LoPiccolo hints, from Eugene."
http://news.opb.org/article/7061-low...e-la/

Is that even possible? Is 8,000 Ft. enough room to get a 757 with a full pax load and enough fuel for Hawaii airborne (within acceptable Part 121 safety margins?). Seems a little too close to call just by eyeballing the situation to me  



Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineMrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
Is that even possible? Is 8,000 Ft. enough room to get a 757 with a full pax load and enough fuel for Hawaii airborne (within acceptable Part 121 safety margins?). Seems a little too close to call just by eyeballing the situation to me

I'll leave it to the pilots to confirm, but I've seen a number of Hawaiian-bound 757s departing LAX's south side in less than 6500'. The P2W ratio of the 757 is simply unbelievable.



"The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee." -- Gunter's 2nd Law of Air
User currently offlineSuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4649 times:

LIhue's runway is only 6,500'. Maui's is only 6,995'. So I would think the answer is yes, Eugene's runway is plenty long.

User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4607 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 1):
Is that even possible? Is 8,000 Ft. enough room to get a 757 with a full pax load and enough fuel for Hawaii airborne

Yeah, 757s do TATL from LTN which is only 7,048



"I want to know the voice of God the rest is just details" --A. Einstein
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4562 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 5):
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 1):
Is that even possible? Is 8,000 Ft. enough room to get a 757 with a full pax load and enough fuel for Hawaii airborne

Yeah, 757s do TATL from LTN which is only 7,048

And CO operates 757s BRS-EWR, over 700 nm further than EUG-HNL. BRS runway is 6,598 ft.


User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

LOL, in the thread ablout QX ending EUG-LAX I thought that G4 was already on it, but found out otherwise. So I guess they thought it was a good one to jump on. Good for G4.


"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlineB6WNQX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4437 times:

Looking at Allegiants schedule in June shows LAS at 4x weekly, OAK at 3x weekly LAX at 2x weekly and PHX (can't remember the code for the airport they use) at 3x weekly. EUG is getting a lot of flights for the summer from Allegiant. It's good to see them expanding at EUG.

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5050 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4053 times:

This route will do very well for them! I would like to see LAS to EUG too!


I Am A Different Animal!!
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4025 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 9):
This route will do very well for them! I would like to see LAS to EUG too!

Allegiant already flies LAS-EUG. As B6WNQX posted it is going to be 4X/week in June.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3913 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting B6WNQX (Reply 8):
Looking at Allegiants schedule in June shows LAS at 4x weekly, OAK at 3x weekly LAX at 2x weekly and PHX (can't remember the code for the airport they use) at 3x weekly. EUG is getting a lot of flights for the summer from Allegiant. It's good to see them expanding at EUG.

EUG is turning out to be the BLI of Oregon. I'm sure G4 is grabbing some customers from the Salem and Portland areas.


User currently offlineUpstateDave From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3907 times:

It's really a pitty what G4 has down to small communities out west... It's great to have low-fare, nonstop service to major destinations, these are the same destinations that allow feeder services to operate to major hubs. As G4 continues to expand and siphon passengers off legacy feeder operations, these operations will become less viable and ultimately bad for the communities. Do airports really want to sacrifice service from EUG-XXX (Hub) to a world of connections simply to have a non-stop, less than daily service to LAS, AZA, or LAX?


"Once you fly, you will walk with your eyes skyward. For there you will go again." Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3871 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting UpstateDave (Reply 12):
It's really a pitty what G4 has down to small communities out west... It's great to have low-fare, nonstop service to major destinations, these are the same destinations that allow feeder services to operate to major hubs. As G4 continues to expand and siphon passengers off legacy feeder operations, these operations will become less viable and ultimately bad for the communities. Do airports really want to sacrifice service from EUG-XXX (Hub) to a world of connections simply to have a non-stop, less than daily service to LAS, AZA, or LAX?

Wouldn't this apply to all G4 cities and a lot of the pt-to-pt service along the Eastern Seaboard? I don't think you can make that generalization for just the west. Keep in mind that back in the days of PSA, Air Cal and more recently Morris Air and Southwest, there were tons of pt-to-pt service. Your only hubs along the west were mainly SFO and LAX, and to a lesser extent...SEA and PDX. And most of that service was multi-daily on mainline jets.

Don't get me wrong...you are entitled to your opinions. But in my opinion, I think G4 is giving these communities a large favor. The big let-down would be is when G4 discontinues service or worse-yet, G4 folds.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Allegiant actually stimulates the market in most cities.

There are many leisure passengers who do not book trips because of connections or higher fares on other airlines. They just don't travel by air for a vacation instead chosing a closer driving trip. Or they may only do a single vacation trip by air each year instead of multiple trips.

In some cities, like SCK or FNL G4 is the only carrier. No other carriers were there when it showed up.

At other airports, passenger boardings have seen increases since G4 showed up.

Allegiant may pull some leisure passengers from connecting flights but benefits most airports by stimulating the overall market.

Ultimately for an airport an increase in passengers means more passenger facility fee revenue, more parking or concession revenues, etc.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3798 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 14):
Allegiant actually stimulates the market in most cities.

I agree G4 does stimulate the small markets...probably comparable to the Southwest effect at larger destinations.


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 33
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

The math simply doesn't suggest that the 2X weekly G4 EUG-LAX flights would drive away United Express, Delta Connection or Horizon. Two G4 flights a week is 300 seats at an airport with thousands of seats per week. As others have noted, much of that traffic will probably be stimulation. G4 may also draw some leakage to PDX back to EUG. Allegiant's service spread over the week averages 43 seats a day, less than one CRJ worth, and again much of that won't come from existing flights. Also, many people, including many business people, will presumably need to fly on days that G4 won't land at EUG.

Upstate Dave, can you provide numbers or any specific canceled legacy hub route to a small city out west with a link indicating that Allegiant's presence was the cause?

Allegiant Air is a great thing for small cities. They fly low-fare pax the legacy carriers don't want, and the G4 markets who do have legacy service continue to have hub links for pax who need them.

Jim



Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1924 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3671 times:

Does G4 operate any routes daily?

User currently offlinebrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3013 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 16):
G4 may also draw some leakage to PDX back to EUG

Exactly. I would fly into EUG every time I visit Oregon if it was a more viable option. But it always seems like it's $150-$200 more than PDX.  



Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

EUG has lost a lot of service in the recession. But the area has seen unemployment rise from about 5% in January 2008 to over 10% now.

Allegiant will help mitigate the cuts in service by other airlines the last 2 years.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 17):
Does G4 operate any routes daily?

There are a few daily routes, along with some that are only daily during the high seasons.

For example, BLI-LAS is daily.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Allegiant Announces Pasco (PSC) To Phoenix/Mesa posted Tue Sep 1 2009 14:22:15 by FATFlyer
Allegiant Announces Bismarck, ND To Phoenix/Mesa posted Wed Aug 13 2008 12:07:42 by FATFlyer
Allegiant Announces Redmond/Bend To AZA posted Fri Aug 8 2008 10:47:11 by FATFlyer
Allegiant Announces Great Falls To Phoenix/Mesa posted Wed Aug 6 2008 09:31:24 by FATFlyer
Allegiant Announces Casper WY To LAS posted Wed Jul 2 2008 08:43:37 by FATFlyer
Allegiant Announces Huntington, WV To PIE posted Wed Oct 24 2007 07:54:48 by FATFlyer
Allegiant Announces Plattsburgh NY To FLL posted Wed Sep 5 2007 18:59:16 by FATFlyer
Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB posted Thu Aug 25 2005 16:11:16 by FATFlyer
Allegiant Announces South Bend To LAS posted Thu Jun 2 2005 19:48:42 by FATFlyer
Allegiant Announces McAllen, TX To Las Vegas posted Tue Apr 26 2005 16:57:11 by FATFlyer