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HK Airlines Firms A330 Order  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8971 times:

Only very brief info:

- HK Airlines has firmed its order for 6 A330-200
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http://www.iii.co.uk/news/?type=afxn...s&articleid=7828729&action=article


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User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3381 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8823 times:

Wow, it's turning into a good month for the A330 with this and the MH order firmed in the last few days

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8802 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 1):
Wow, it's turning into a good month for the A330 with this and the MH order firmed in the last few days

Not so fast!

This isn't a 'new' order. HK are taking six planes previously ordered (and built!) for Air Comet. So Airbus can announce the order but they'll also need to cancel an order for six elsewhere.

[Edited 2010-04-07 02:12:21]

User currently offlineMYT332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8630 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
. So Airbus can announce the order but they'll also need to cancel an order for six elsewhere.

Nice choice of engines though, right?   



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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8132 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
This isn't a 'new' order. HK are taking six planes previously ordered (and built!) for Air Comet. So Airbus can announce the order but they'll also need to cancel an order for six elsewhere.

Airbus still lists 6 undelivered A330 for Grupo Marsans, which probably are the frames to be cancelled.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8012 times:

Quoting MYT332 (Reply 3):
Nice choice of engines though, right?

LOL! They chose the Trent 700...  


User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7909 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
LOL! They chose the Trent 700...
Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
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   Did I miss something?



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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7517 times:

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 6):
Quoting PM (Reply 5):
LOL! They chose the Trent 700...
Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
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Did I miss something?

They've already ordered RR powered A332s direct from Airbus, while the Pratt's on these 6 are inherited

The only consolation for PM, is that they aren't GE powered 



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12903 posts, RR: 100
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6113 times:
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Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
- Powered by PW4000s

  

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 7):
The only consolation for PM, is that they aren't GE powered

  

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 7):
They've already ordered RR powered A332s direct from Airbus, while the Pratt's on these 6 are inherited

Serious question, is there a chance they will switch to all Pratt?

Lightsaber



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User currently offlinePresRDC From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5581 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8):
Serious question, is there a chance they will switch to all Pratt?

Lightsaber

Extremely unlikely, assuming that they have already executed a contract with RR.


User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3381 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4981 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 2):

This isn't a 'new' order. HK are taking six planes previously ordered (and built!) for Air Comet. So Airbus can announce the order but they'll also need to cancel an order for six elsewhere.

Ooops should pay more attention! 


User currently offlinePresRDC From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4871 times:

In cases such as this, both the airframer and the engine manufacturer likely have a cause of action against the original purchaser for breach of contract and that actual contracts very likely provide a mechanism to determine the correct damages owed.* Nonetheless, there is a general duty to mitigate your losses in a breach of contract situation and the airframer and engine manufacturer have a shared interest in placing (or attempting to place) the aircraft with another operator. Doing so does not necessarily mean that the original purchaser is off the hook for the damages set forth in the contracts.

* Assuming the original purchaser was not excused from his performance obligation by the "bad" conduct of the airframer or engine manufacturer (or as otherwise provided for in the contracts).


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8):
Serious question, is there a chance they will switch to all Pratt?

Slightly less than the possibility that Malaysia Airlines will switch to RR for their new A330s...   


User currently offlineAZA330 From Italy, joined Feb 2004, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
Not so fast!


I was wondering if, in general, it still makes sense to order A330s when the A350 is coming out in a couple of years. Except that these specific A330s were already built, so they are ready for entering into service right away...


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3940 times:

Quoting AZA330 (Reply 13):
was wondering if, in general, it still makes sense to order A330s when the A350 is coming out in a couple of years.

Not to mention 787s which are closer in size and will be flying sooner.

However, one factor is the very success of the 787 and A350. When Malaysia Airlines recently placed an oder for 15 A330s + 10 options they actually said that they simply couldn't wait for 787s or A350s.

Quoting AZA330 (Reply 13):
Except that these specific A330s were already built, so they are ready for entering into service right away...

Indeed. And HKA were already a customer for the A330 having ordered 20 (later reduced to 17 with three being transferred to a leasing arm) in September 2007.

The only difference is that the original order specified RR wheareas these six frames have PW. But I'm sure HKA got a good deal on them so I doubt if they're worrying.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12411 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3514 times:

Two questions:

1) Where are HK Airlines going to fly these acft? Do they intend opening new L/H routes ex-HKG?
2) I had thought RJ was going to take the ex-Air Comet 332s; where will it now get its 332s?


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3255 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 15):
Where are HK Airlines going to fly these acft? Do they intend opening new L/H routes ex-HKG?
http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre..._07_a330200_hongkong_airlines.html

"Hong Kong Airlines now has a total of 23 A330s on order. The first of these will arrive in Hong Kong in the second quarter of this year and will initially be used on existing routes and later to launch the airline's first services to Europe.

"Low operating costs and high levels of cabin comfort make the A330-200 the perfect choice to expand into the long haul market," said Yang Jian Hong, President, Hong Kong Airlines. "We are looking forward to offering passengers a premium service on these routes."

IIRC, Moscow has already been mentioned as one of the first destinations.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 15):
I had thought RJ was going to take the ex-Air Comet 332s; where will it now get its 332s?

Air Comet took delivery of and operated operated four A330s. These were MSNs 943, 962, 970 and 979. It is from this pool that the RJ planes will come.

The six for Hong Kong were built (wholly or very substantially) but never delivered. These are MSNs 1031, 1034, 1039, 1042, 1054 and 1059.

MSNs 1002 and 1019 were acquired by HSH Nordbank before delivery.

As late as May of last year Airbus listed Grupo Marsans as having 12 A330s on order.
In June they recorded 11 orders from Grupo Marsans + 1 from HSH Nordbank.
In July this became 10 from Grupo Marsans + 2 from HSH.
That is how it remains.

So, the 12 A330s originally ordered by Grupo Marsans (MSNs 943, 962, 970, 979, 1002, 1019, 1031, 1034, 1039, 1042, 1054 and 1059) are all now accounted for.


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

They even seem to have trouble filling their 737s, I really wonder if 23 A-330s will work for them. Cathay and Dragonair have a strong hold on HKG. A long haul LCC (Oasis) didn't succeed. We might see the same thing as what happened with Kingfisher, Air Comet ; loads of widebody orders but by the time they have to take delivery they find out they don't have routes with profit potential to fly them on.


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 15):
Do they intend opening new L/H routes ex-HKG?
Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 18):
I really wonder if 23 A-330s will work for them.

I agree that their plans are ambitious.

It may be worth noting that they are 45% owned by Hainan Airlines. That may help.


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 17):
The six for Hong Kong were built (wholly or very substantially) but never delivered. These are MSNs 1031, 1034, 1039, 1042, 1054 and 1059.

According to Skyliner, 1031 has left storage and has been flown back to TLS, presumably for repaint for HK Airlines.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 20):
1031 has left storage and has been flown back to TLS, presumably for repaint for HK Airlines

Well...

"Hong Kong Airlines now has a total of 23 A330s on order. The first of these will arrive in Hong Kong in the second quarter of this year."

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre..._07_a330200_hongkong_airlines.html

If the first is going to be delivered some time within the next 11 weeks then they are probably getting on with painting and fittings and stuff right now.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 17):
Air Comet took delivery of and operated operated four A330s. These were MSNs 943, 962, 970 and 979. It is from this pool that the RJ planes will come.

CH Aviation are now reporting that 970 and 979 are going to Royal Jordanian while 943 and 962 are going to Vietnam Airlines.


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