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United And US Airways In Merger Talks  
User currently offlinebioyuki From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 156 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 35626 times:

As reported by the New York Times:

http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/20...d-us-airways-hold-merger-talks/?hp

Let the consolidation begin...


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User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 35532 times:

Just saw that on Fast Money....

Two questions came immediately to mind:
1) Will the DOJ step in?
2) Any hubs in danger? IAD and PHL seem potentially redundant, while PHX/LAX I would argue won't be effected due to LAX's traffic being predominantly O&D.

Thoughts?



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31446 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 35539 times:
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Interesting. I wonder with CO now in Star Alliance, UA's financial position strengthening and the DL/NW deal complete, perhaps the three feel that the DoT/DoJ will now allow UA and US to merge without a messy anti-trust requirement?

UA and US tend to compliment one another, so together they'd cover most of the US. UA could then maybe shed PHL/PIT as an international gateway, since EWR and IAD have that covered, but keep CLT around to combat DL at ATL.

[Edited 2010-04-07 14:22:57]

User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 35411 times:

Interesting. I do understand the objective but why any airline would find US attractive is puzzling. US is still a mess from the previous merger. And what would US really have to offer UA? Stronger east coast hold I guess but that's about it.

[Edited 2010-04-07 14:28:24]

User currently offlineelbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 35315 times:

While nothing is mentioned of it in the article, the nytimes twitter say it's US buying UA which I find rather hard to believe, but stranger things have happened. http://twitter.com/nytimes/status/11786724015

This could get interesting


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31446 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 35314 times:
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Quoting toobz (Reply 3):
I do understand the objective but why any airline would find US attractive is puzzling.

The initial headline from the NYT was that US was in talks to buy UA, but it is now a merger. So not sure whether US or UA is leading this deal.


User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 35230 times:

Like we didnt know this was coming.. just got an email moments ago http://www.cnbc.com

now which hubs are to go, youve still got a little America West in Us Air



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User currently offlinebioyuki From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 35227 times:

Quoting elbandgeek (Reply 4):
While nothing is mentioned of it in the article, the nytimes twitter say it's US buying UA which I find rather hard to believe, but stranger things have happened. http://twitter.com/nytimes/status/11786724015

This could get interesting

The initial breaking news blurb on the NYT homepage also said that US was acquiring UA but that has since been changed.



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User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 35153 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):

Ah thx for clarifying that Stitch! even more puzzling then...  


User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4287 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 35049 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
perhaps the three feel that the DoT/DoJ will now allow UA and US to merge without a messy anti-trust requirement?

I don't know why they would feel that way, though. Christine Varney, the DOJ's antitrust chief, is an outspoken opponent of mega-mergers. I also don't fully understand United's attraction to US, other than the CLT hub. I also question whether something in the article can truly be achieved: "The talks are being driven in large part by cost savings. Both sides have sought to lower costs, but believe they can achieve greater efficiencies together, these people said." These two sentences suggest that both airlines have sought to rein in costs but failed to do so adequately. So since they couldn't get the lower costs as two carriers, if they merged into one carrier they would be able to rein in the costs. It just doesn't sound right. But maybe it is just me.

Texan

edit: If US is doing the buying it makes a little more sense. It also makes sense that US would be the buyer in this scenario. Parker seems quite able to convince lenders that his ideas will end up making them money. He could be one of the best in the biz at that.

[Edited 2010-04-07 14:39:24]


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User currently offlineJFKMan From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 34859 times:

I just saw this on BBC World News...

and I was shocked! I thought it would have been US and AA.

But I think its good!



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 34778 times:

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 1):
Interesting. I do understand the objective but why any airline would find US attractive is puzzling. US is still a mess from the previous merger. And what would US really have to offer UA? Stronger east coast hold I guess but that's about it.

I agree... the HP/US merger never really was truly finalized. Until all the work groups are integrated USAirways will be a mess. Any of the potential synergy that there is to be gained cannot happen till everyone gets along and plays nice.


A few major USAirways assets are valuable:

1: The CLT hub. Now with 3 parallel runways and a fairly nice facility with well-laid out plans for expansion. CLT is a larger operation than IAD but lacks the international O&D to make it a true trans-atlantic gateway.
2: DCA slots... even moreso if the DL/US slot swap goes ahead -- but this could be problematic from the DOJ's perspective. This would seem like a major wrench in the works -- I am not sure a larger operation at DCA plus the IAD hub would be allowed.



If the merger goes through:

PHX hub is drawn down in 5 years time. Phoenix in general is such a boom/bust market that until its economic base matures I see it not being a great place for two airlines to have a hub. I am sure Southwest would be more than happy to be the largest carrier at Sky Harbor though.

East coast hubs. Honestly I could see CLT staying, probably the best thing USAirways has going. It comes down to IAD vs. PHL for me. Each place has its advantages. Operationally Dulles is the better airport, but the current C/D terminal leaves much to be desired. But traffic in the DC area is split among 3 airports. PHL is for all intents and purposes the airport for Philadelphia. Some of the facility (international and commuter) is pretty nice, some of it (B and C) is ok. But operationally PHL leaves much to be desired. PHL is also further from IAD and captures different markets for connecting traffic, whereas IAD and CLT have more overlap.

Seems really messy to me -- if the labor issues could get settled to everyone's satisfaction then I could see it being a good marriage, but if that can't get done it'll be ugly.



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User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 34782 times:

What??! Why! Now that US has made a concerted effort to consolidate its entire route network around PHL, DCA, and CLT (PHX has only seen cuts, can't remember the last time we saw anything added there) this merger makes even less sense than before. Obviously the DCA "hub" would have to go, since the combined carrier would not be allowed to totally dominate the D.C. market - the int'l stuff from IAD would of course be far more important in the big picture than a relatively small regional hub. PHX would probably go too, seeing as how US has lost a lot of ground there and it would be very redundant with DEN, SFO, and LAX. PHL would probably stay, but with most transatlantic flying moved down to IAD, making it a secondary hub a la LAX to SFO. What would really be gained from all this? A more or less intact UA with a new Southern hub at CLT, a secondary LAX-type hub at PHL, and a few bucks from the sale of DCA slots?


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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 34695 times:

i STILL don't understand what US offers UA

Europe? duplicate
southwest hubs? close to SFO/LAX and the ground zero of the housing busts
Asia? what asia...they can't even procure the plane
South America? like one route CLT-GIG ?
PHL - next door to IAD already
Northeast Corridor Shuttle? train is so fast that the only route worthwhile is BOS-DCA
LGA? US already gave up most of that via the slot-swap
PIT ? can you spell dead-beat ?

so that leaves....Charlotte and Boston....which is painfully close to IAD, but can partially act as a southeastern hub, while converting PHL into a focus city.

They can't even figure out how to merge US Airways with AmericaWest, and now another one with UA?

Besides, now with the new slot-swap of US/DL at DCA, a combined UA/US would control TOO much WashingtonDC, and the forced divestures will probably make the deal not worthwhile.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8777 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 34694 times:

Quoting bioyuki (Reply 7):
The initial breaking news blurb on the NYT homepage also said that US was acquiring UA but that has since been changed.

That probably makes the most sense, though. UA is still saddled with too much overhead. US has the virtue of getting rid of that. This is why the US/HP merger was successful and the entity is still around. A reputation for shrewd finance (for the industry) does not hurt.

UA solves a lot of US's problems such as network, scale and such. And, US has the ability to solve UA's main problem (that of bloat). The #1 weakness here is I don't see how US can run UA's better product.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16909 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 34697 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 11):
2: DCA slots... even moreso if the DL/US slot swap goes ahead -- but this could be problematic from the DOJ's perspective. This would seem like a major wrench in the works -- I am not sure a larger operation at DCA plus the IAD hub would be allowed.

The DCA/LGA slot swap now makes no sense, if anything they would need to divest DCA.



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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4287 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 34603 times:

As an update to my previous post about Christine Varney (Department of Justice, Assistant Attorney General in charge of Antitrust), she proposed changing the D.O.J.'s merger guidelines earlier this year. You can bet that if this merger is approved by management and shareholders of the two airlines, Varney will try to implement some of her new ideas -- what they are we currently do not know -- into the merger review. I'll try to work something up on the legality and a proposed D.O.J. finding over the next few days.

Texan



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User currently offlineJFKMan From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 34601 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 11):
2: DCA slots... even moreso if the DL/US slot swap goes ahead -- but this could be problematic from the DOJ's perspective. This would seem like a major wrench in the works -- I am not sure a larger operation at DCA plus the IAD hub would be allowed.

I disagree. I think that after the DL/US plan was denied...US decided to scrap expansion at DCA so that when they merge with UA they would not be too big in the DC area.

I also think that if this merger went ahead US would keep the US Airways Terminal at LGA and UA/US and even CO would use it...a *A terminal. That terminal is valuble.



US / AA - JFK / TPA
User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4528 posts, RR: 33
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 34530 times:

That UA is talking with US shows how badly Tilton wants to merge UA rather than run it. Otherwise, he must be on crack to want to take on US whole. The only things of value it has for UA are CLT, DCA, and LGA. But:

--US's big DCA operation would have to go, just as it would have had to in 2001. If anything, Obama's DOJ will be *stricter* than Clinton's was in 2000-2001, despite the growth of low-fare carriers.
--US is trying to get rid of LGA, so why would UA think they could succeed there, when US with its decades of experience there isn't?
--CLT is close to IAD, but has a distinct enough hub region and has a good business O & D base, so it no doubt would be kept.
--PHL and PHX are useless to UA and would go.

If I were a UA shareholder, I would demand that Tilton put down the crack pipe, turn around, and walk away. Merge with another carrier with labor troubles just to get *one* hub? Sounds like a bad deal to me.

US has a few pieces that would be useful to others. But like a zombie, it just keeps going, despite all the reasons they should have gone Ch. 7 by now. Other carriers should resist the temptation to grab it.

Jim



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8777 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 34454 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 9):
Parker seems quite able to convince lenders that his ideas will end up making them money. He could be one of the best in the biz at that.

Precisely. Parker did it for a (pretty large) DL bid. UA I think does not have a management that Wall St is eager to invest in. They have been custodians waiting for CO to take over, basically. Not that they aren't talented! But the nature of UA is that it burns a lot of cash, which these mergers usually aim to decrease, not to magnify. UA running US would just make a better (and more costly) US. That wouldn't make sense.

Such a merged carrier would be called United but it might be a clean sheet company, using pieces of both carriers. UA needs a clean sheet while US needs goodies and size.


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1322 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 34373 times:

If this in fact true, the slot swap makes a lot of sense then. It proves what I have said since the attempted 2000 merger. IAD becomes pointless with CLT, DCA, and PHL (Since all 4 hubs are profitable, it makes sense to only shed one, that being IAD) Not sure how everything else would work out though. A merger does make sense as the two do compliment each other in many areas.

User currently onlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1551 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 34381 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 15):
The DCA/LGA slot swap now makes no sense, if anything they would need to divest DCA.

That's one reason why I don't believe any of this for a second.

Quoting JFKMan (Reply 17):
I think that after the DL/US plan was denied...US decided to scrap expansion at DCA so that when they merge with UA they would not be too big in the DC area.

DL/US have recently proposed a new version of the deal so I don't think they have scrapped DCA expansion.

Quoting DCA-ROCguy" class="quote" target="_blank">DCA-ROCguy (Reply 18):
If I were a UA shareholder, I would demand that Tilton put down the crack pipe, turn around, and walk away.

If I were a UA shareholder, I would be pleased with how he has managed to get the stock price near $20.



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User currently offlineORD2PHL From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 34381 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 13):
i STILL don't understand what US offers UA

Europe? duplicate

I disagree somewhat on the European comment here, I don't have the exact destinations in front of me, but I think US serves a bunch of secondary markets in Europe from PHL that UA does not from IAD or ORD for that matter.

It's ironic that after 7 years of living in Philadelphia and moving here from Chicago and staying mostly loyal to UA (flying on my UA number all the time) that this is happening when I'm moving back to Chicago on 7/1, personal rant complete.

Obviously the thought that immediately comes to mind is what to do about DC given the DOJ's opposition to when these two carriers tried this in the past. US has only been seeking to grow at DCA through the swap slot deal and not draw it down so I would bet there will be a considerable draw down of DCA proposed if this thing moves along.

Anyway, can't wait to see more information on this - particularly all of the speculation on fleet makeup that this thread will produce.

ORD2PHL


User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1344 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 34312 times:

Everyone here is talking about what US offers to UA. But think of it this way - what does UA offer to US? A whole lot.....If indeed it is US pursuing UA, surely that makes a whole lot of sense - US is in danger of being left behind by the other legacies.

User currently offlineJFKMan From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 34306 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 21):
DL/US have recently proposed a new version of the deal so I don't think they have scrapped DCA expansion.

Yes I know...but I would guess its a fall back. Keeping options open? I don't think the new version will pass....and either way they can just forget it and go with UA.

[Edited 2010-04-07 14:54:27]


US / AA - JFK / TPA
25 PSA727 : I would suspect that CLT would be kept intact due to it's competitive location to ATL. And although people love to take shots at PHL, it is a huge O&a
26 texan : And since US would be the acquiring corporation, UA's stock price should continue to rise. Investors vote in the interests of their pocketbooks. Texa
27 AAdvantageous : How will this affect AA?
28 TXJim : Is it ever REALLY a merger?
29 tjwgrr : CO-AA next? Fleet commonality certainly wouldn't be an issue....
30 thomasphoto60 : Interesting thread, no doubt a long and speculative one. So, with all the hub-bub over the past 4 years or so over a possible CO-UA marriage, I wonder
31 DesertJets : And a bunch of Airbus narrowbodies that might be useful for building up at DEN or ORD. But if UA was interested in, or financially capable of, rebuil
32 nwaesc : PIT's down to 11 M/L flights a day for US... Me either...Maybe whatever brought 'em together last time around? I dunno. Ramp is IAM for both sides, s
33 thomasphoto60 : God, I hope not! As much as loathed the ideal of a UA-CO merger, an AA-CO would be, well........Hypothetically, if a CO-AA hook were to happen, which
34 Tommy767 : US is a sad joke and would destroy UA. Dumbest idea for a merger. This is almost as ridiculous as US trying to buy DL back in 2006! UA/CO is a much mu
35 SESGDL : Never gonna happen without tons of divested assets. IAH/DFW, ORD/CLE, EWR/JFK/LGA are all redundant. Hubs are definitely going to have to be divested
36 commavia : A few quick takes: - On the face of it, not all that surprising since Tilton and Parker have probably been the most outspoken over the last 18 months
37 MaverickM11 : This sounds like merging just for the sake of merging. There is no value other than winding US down, and that would benefit the entire industry rather
38 DesertJets : At the end of the day fleet commonality probably matters far far less than we here would like to admit. Granted they are major capital investments, b
39 Post contains images flyby519 : Since we are all passing around the kool-aid how about CO-AS with a defection back to oneworld for the combined entity? Ohh yea, drinkin the good stu
40 Flighty : Who says UA has an alternative...
41 Lumberton : Have US' pilot unions come to a seniority list merger agreement yet? AFAIK, they haven't. Now Parker wants to "merge" with UA? I'm sure the unions wil
42 flightopsguy : Very important capital to capital UA international service at IAD that's not gonna move to PHL. PHL O&D probably large enough to stand on it's own
43 jetfuel : Maybe UA is going along with this just to promte CO into action. US is a nightmare. A UA/CO merger makes so much more sense
44 texan : Does anybody know where I can get the market share info for all airlines at a particular airport? I used BTS to see the top carriers at airports, but
45 kiwiandrew : I dont think this needs to change anything for CO , they have made it abundantly clear that they would rather work with UA than go for a merger ( and
46 Macsog6 : That would only make the issues much worse, compounded rather than linear. Integration with one other carrier is very difficult, with two it would be
47 chepos : I personally think we should finish the previous merger (AWA and US) before we attempt merging with anyone else. In my opinion this is just the bi-ann
48 Post contains images AirframeAS : Why is US going after another merger when they have not completed the HP/US one? I see history repeating itself, again...... Not good. Now, if UA and
49 HouStrategies : If I remember correctly, the old deal from a decade ago gave most of the DCA flying to AA. Could they propose the same thing this time, but to CO inst
50 Post contains images AndrewUber : I took this photo and modified it for a friend at Shuttle America back when they were switching over from US Airways to UAL. The birds were flying aro
51 9252fly : Maybe that's the whole point of the exercise. US I suspect will ultimately get squeezed out of the market long term. An orderly winding down of US wo
52 HouStrategies : Another thought: people keep mentioning that the HP-US merger is still not complete, but also that the PHX hub has shrunk and is redundant (and the LA
53 wn676 : I think USAPA would love nothing more than to see the demise of the entire West pilot group.
54 alexinwa : Well, here we go again....... PHL is odd city out, on the east coast if they merge. CLT I think is safe only due to location and the connections north
55 FWAERJ : I guess that the old merger integration plans can be dusted off... UA still has those from the last UA/US merger attempt, believe it or not. Anyway, I
56 AirCalSNA : Seems like consolidation of the legacies is inevitable and a good thing ultimately--let the strongest survive.
57 peanuts : Agree. Which makes me think there is more to this than meets the eye... This may be it...Just put this old dog to sleep, in a respectful manner... Th
58 Post contains images B6A322 : They are going to take two bad airlines. And then they are going to combine those two bad airlines into something worse. Ladies and gentlemen, say hel
59 MSPNWA : Hopefully for both sides' sake they don't merge. There's always a loser in airline mergers.
60 Post contains images PVDCMHOZ : Maybe this isn't such a bad idea after all. UA could essentially purchase US at a reasonable price, then sell off slots at DCA, and unload the US term
61 jfk777 : For anyone to suggest Dulles( which serves Washungton DC and Virginia) will be closed to save PHL has to wonder what facts they have to support their
62 WESTERN737800 : I think UA shouldn't merge with US til US gets their merger with AWA hashed out and everyone happy. While we are talking merger mabye Jetblue, AirTran
63 peanuts : Not only that...Dulles (despite a "crappy" terminal) and the clientele it attracts is probably higher yielding as well (compared to PHL). Just a gues
64 klkla : IMHO the current US is not viable long term. Merging with United (or another airline with better international reach) is their only hope for survival.
65 Flighty : Probably not. Anyway, PHL is a big city that needs a lot of service. This is not only why there is a hub there, it's what has made US last into the 2
66 sunking737 : WOW, I couldn't believe this one when I heard it tonight. I was working at HP/US for 3 months back in 2006. What a mess then. I won't even go into it.
67 mah4546 : Not at all. Dulles is a much better hub for South America. It is not much more north, and the O&D market is 8,000% larger. This would spell an en
68 DL WIDGET HEAD : I agree but we've seen this from Parker twice before. If it's true, can the pins "Keep United, My United" be far behind. While I don't think this pai
69 United1 : Agreed...I have a feeling that this deal would be structured along the lines of the AA/TW merger. ie: US enters a prepackaged bankruptcy plan with UA
70 Jamake1 : Personally, I think Mr. Parker is getting desperate. In the end, I think it will be CO and UA, not US and UA.
71 Post contains images AirframeAS : That looks like United is in jail!
72 Tan Flyr : Just saw that on Fast Money.... Two questions came immediately to mind: Consolidation is one thing...stupid mergers another. Or better yet..if managem
73 Tan Flyr : somehow the part I added was made to look like A6322's entry.. Mine started with: Yup, history repeating itself.
74 CWAFlyer : Simply because Glen Tilton is not interested in running United and turning it around. He wants to merge UA with someone else and ride off into the su
75 GlobalCabotage : I just don't see this happening. Sure, they have talked in the past, but today is a much different environment than a few years ago. Granted there are
76 flyby519 : Im sure AA would take DCA off their hands Give PHX/LAS to CO, DEN can still make some money for them. LAX/SFO are key for the asia routes
77 Tommy767 : I WONDER: If this is at all like US being aggressive in the most asinine way towards buying out DL back in late 2006 and if UA doesn't want this (god
78 rockinflyer : I actually wonder the same thing about UA. Neither one of them entice me to fly on them. The service is consistently bad on both. Now we'll just have
79 DualQual : Besides absolutely nothing, what does that offer CO?
80 Post contains images flyby519 : Another weird-random base to add to their collection along with EWR/CLE/GUM
81 Tommy767 : I'll go out on a limb and say that UA is leaps and bounds ahead of US in terms of service. There is just no comparison. Other than the PHL european r
82 United1 : Have you been on UA lately? UA has turned itself around quite a bit...
83 iliribdl : Would UA/US be bigger than the new DL? I say it the merger happens though, with all the cuts US made (employees), then cutting routes, then the slot s
84 VictorKilo : Smart thinking. Perhaps UA really wants to merge with CO and this rumor was planted by UA as an attempt to make CO think that it's now or never and g
85 United1 : Slightly smaller..but not by much. That is assuming that the route networks of both airlines are simply added together.
86 jlbmedia : I agree. I have always wondered why so many people want to dump PHL when it has been the hands down top money maker for USAirways. I mean why would a
87 United1 : Perhaps tweak it a bit then...change it from an international gateway to a more O&D oriented hub.
88 kiwiandrew : I don't think the old merger plans would have any relevance , they are both very different airlines compared to the UA and US of 10 years ago .
89 Tommy767 : Very well could be. Somehow I think this is US forcing talks on UA. I don't think UA wants the hazardous baggage that US carries.
90 FlyWhisperjets : I wonder what Continental thinks about this....I thought they jumped the ST ship because of the DL/NW merger
91 United1 : Thats a good question potentiality they are all for it as they are already part of the ATI/JV group with UA. Any international growth by UA benefits
92 Seatback : I too was wondering what AA's step would be and I strongly believe they would sit back and watch this one explode. They've got to be thinking two comp
93 kiwiandrew : Why would it bother CO ? Whether UA and US are separate or together none of their hubs really competes with CO , I would say that there is more overl
94 Post contains images commavia : Prefacing all of this on the obvious caveat that this is all completely hypothetical at this point ... AA's priority right now should be getting their
95 Seatback : On paper, it could be great for CO. However, I think we all know that any merger would probably be a complete disaster. It may bother CO when its pri
96 Odysseus9001 : I can see how this deal would be in the financial interest of the airlines involved. I don't how this deal would be in the financial interest of the
97 DL WIDGET HEAD : All of the articles I've read so far imply (from sources who know of the discussions), that the two airlines are IN merger talks. Indeed, one article
98 USAirALB : Just saw that on Fast Money.... Two questions came immediately to mind: US serves more destinations in Caribbean and Europe than UA. UA just serves th
99 CIDflyer : just a question, perhaps maybe AA would gain the IAD hub in this merger? Or DCA if UA/US are required to divest something there? CO has stated they do
100 IADCA : The Guidelines update project pre-dates Varney. It's been something that's been a long time coming, and was especially spurred by the new ECMR in 200
101 rjpieces : The only good thing about this merger is that US Airways would disappear! It would be nice to see United have a domestic fleet again though...
102 okie : I think implode. just sit back and wait for the for the implossion and pick up the good pieces, no need to merge with anyone just keep growing on you
103 Post contains images gdg9 : Did anyone else by US Airways shares at $2? Also, if these two merged and it was US Airways that vanished, can we expect United to finish repainting t
104 mah4546 : But UA is still much, much larger than US Airways to Europe; and I believe they are pretty near even to the Caribbean islands, where US just has a bu
105 United1 : UA started repainting their fleet in 2004 hardly 10 years ago. Also in the case of a merger typically you rush through repainting the other airlines
106 smoot4208 : Why would they want to hurt CLT, and get rid of PHL and DCA when you would obviously get rid of just one profitable hub? Lets see...getting rid of th
107 flyingcat : This is Parker's last gasp US can no longer raise money to survive next winter. Fuel is once again inching up and this is why there is a rush to do so
108 IADLHR : In my opinion, if all this happened, I strongly believe that AA would be screaming loud and hard to raise the 25% limit that foreign cariers can own
109 LDVAviation : Pass the popcorn. This should be quite a show. Has anyone mentioned the fact that the UA pilot's contract is open for negotiation? Can anyone say "Su
110 FlyWhisperjets : The new company probably will be the United brand. They would be able to pick and choose what parts of the US network to keep. Just like AA did with
111 United1 : Possibly it depends how its done. If the resulting carrier stapled the US pilots to the bottom of the UA seniority list I don't think the pilots woul
112 F9Animal : Wow, now what is the word on the name of the airline? Would they retain the United name? Seems like a stronger brand, and much better known. What worr
113 Post contains images commavia : Yeah, and I'm sure the US pilots - who are still fighting among themselves about their own seniority list integration, which still has yet to take pl
114 klkla : This merger would be great news for Delta. Delta's worse nightmare would be a UA/CO merger which would have an incredible hub structure that no U.S. c
115 United1 : Like I said I think it all depends on how its done...and the original question was regarding UAs pilots not US.
116 Flighty : Yeah but AA was fully capable of leading a merged AA/TWA. I don't really think UA is in any condition to permanently manage itself, let alone UA/US.
117 klkla : A 'much better' hub is quite an exagerration. There is a little more O&D traffic for sure but CLT is a little further south and in a slightly bet
118 joeljack : I too was wondering what AA's step would be and I strongly believe they would s Smaller elite cabins? Currently the A320's are the same on UA and US,
119 joeljack : I'll agree with that.
120 IADLHR : Exactly, we saw the chaos that ensuded in the banking industry with some banks that were just so large that they became difficult to manage. Who is t
121 Post contains images commavia : It would be great news for all their competitors - not just Delta, but AA, Continental, Southwest, Frontier, and on and on. The combined company woul
122 ual777 : USAirways group is 2,000 pilots smaller.
123 rafaelyyz : I hope they keep US Air's livery. Best livery out there.
124 Cactus105 : FInally......!!!!
125 commavia : Okay, so 2,000 difference. When you're talking about a merged seniority list of about 13,000, 5,000 USAirways pilots is plenty to make life horrifica
126 silentbob : Actually, the Nicolau award would be the official US list going into the negotiations for the new combined carrier. US should have gone for NW instea
127 steeler83 : Wow... It seems like the way some are putting it, this looks to not be a merger, but more or less a mid-air collision of sorts. Two airlines merge, se
128 FlyIGuy : Minus the 737's the fleets are as follows with seat configurations and how many in the fleet total: USAIRWAYS 319 - 12/112 - 98 320 - 12/138 - 71 321
129 IADCA : That would do precisely zero to placate the regulators, considering the Star Alliance antitrust immunity, of which UA is a part. Replacing service by
130 silentbob : I don't believe a staple job is legal, it's likely to be similar in construction to the Nicolau list or the final DL/NW merged seniority list.
131 FL787 : Why LAX? They don't really serve the same flows. UA is a fair amount larger in SFO than LAX.
132 AirframeAS : This is my take: It is just Parker just getting all jiggy on all of this merger mania. He does not care who he merges with, he just wants to merge wi
133 United1 : I'm not entirely sure it would be structured as a merger.... supposedly the US pilots have some clause in their contracts that require their wages to
134 silentbob : I think there would be a significant reduction beyond the replacements. I don't think IAD would be abandoned, but would be drawn down very significan
135 Ltbewr : I do hope our Anti-trust laws are finally used and this not go thourgh. We don't need more mega-airlines based in the USA. Too many of them don't work
136 silentbob : The change of control clause reinstates wages from (I believe) 2002 in the event of a change of control. I believe that puts Parker and company in th
137 Post contains images commavia : That could get really, really messy, though - and if they go Chapter 7 that could also open up the possibility of other bidders coming into the court
138 IADCA : And what I'm saying is that that's not entirely UA's choice. By entering the A++ joint venture, they lost the right to solely control their own inter
139 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : So if the merger goes through and the United name is kept, does this mean we will have United 737-300s flying around again?
140 United1 : I agree...its UA in control or its going to be a disaster. UA has been part of a JV with LH for two merger discussions already it shouldn't be that m
141 silentbob : You're missing the point. Draw down the domestic service are IAD and it doesn't matter if LH wants to continue to operate that flight. Either their w
142 kgaiflyer : As passive-aggressive as this might sound, you hear a lot of it on the east coast. It might have something to do with the way USAir has devalued its
143 IADCA : Right, but how many of those mergers actually went through? Also, remember that A++ is a lot larger than A+ was; it's a lot more than just LH, so the
144 silentbob : US had hubs in PIT, BWI and PHL. You can't run an operation with three hubs in that kind of proximity. They picked the one city with the best O&D
145 Post contains links commavia : Actually, other airlines did try and get in on the action with the TWA-AA deal.
146 United1 : Interesting I didn't know that but however it still didn't change the outcome... Realistically that is probably what will happen with these talks as
147 Post contains links commavia : It actually did. Expressed interest and maneuvers by other airlines and Icahn ultimately forced AMR to increase their bid by nearly 50%. When you inv
148 United1 : Interesting...it still may be worth it just to undo some of the cluster that are US contracts right now.
149 LDVAviation : And, what kind of tribute do you suppose the UA pilots will extract from management just for their support of the merger? Isn't this how UA got in tr
150 MSYPI7185 : PHX I agree would shrink, but not as much as many think. PHL is not going anywhere. Tons of O/D and is the top money maker in the US system. Without
151 FutureUScapt : First off, I don't like getting to wrapped up too much in things that haven't even been announced yet. But let's remember that the reason US would be
152 EASTERN : I wouldn't mind seeing this happen, as long as United management is the one in charge. I'd like to see US improve in terms of service, while expanding
153 United1 : Could US even acquire UA? UA stock is valued about 3 times more then US is...US shareholders would end up with less then 25% of the new companies sto
154 Jacobin777 : But according to rumours, its Tilton who would be running the show.. UA's stock has basically outperformed every other carrier the past 52 weeks, inc
155 DL WIDGET HEAD : Indeed. That "tribute" on both sides of the fence in this instance (not only by the pilot groups but the other unioins as well) will be what ultimate
156 BOStonsox : It seems to have been forgotten that BOS and LGA are no longer focus cities for US. If this happens, I think IAD will be their main east coast hub wit
157 ca2ohHP : What I can't understand is given how UA has essentially used every piece of ground equipment as collateral in it's latest effort to raise capital and
158 silentbob : I don't think there's any way to spin a new CEO, new name, new HQ, etc... and have anyone believe that US is the acquiring entity. Legally or logical
159 EnviroTO : US needs a partner. They have some Europe but no Asia. UA from US gets more LGA and DCA and more north-south traffic on the east cost, US from UA gets
160 Post contains images ca2ohHP : Put the merged Headquarters in CLT, give Spirit PHX and call it a day!
161 texan : It would be based largely on assumption of debt and financed by private and institutional lenders. US would put up very little, if any, of it's own m
162 LDVAviation : If I remember correctly, United was in merger talks with USAirways prior to the "Summer from Hell." United offered the pilots industry leading wages
163 Whappeh : Lets focus on one of the positives: US Airways better force United to paint some United Heritage Jets!
164 DL WIDGET HEAD : IIRC, UA had been "forced" to give their pilots industry leading wages even before the first US merger attempt and certainly before "the summer of he
165 United1 : Yet UA still has assets available to mortgage if necessary and at least according to them will be the best capitalized legacy by the end of the secon
166 thegooddoctor : LOL! Again, I reference the fact that there are police at employee meetings (recently heard that this was the first month that no one was arrested fo
167 Deltaflyertoo : That was 10 years ago and US was a COMPLETELY different airline back then with PIT still in full swing and heavy presence in BOS, LGA, DCA, etc.... I
168 CODC10 : Where do you suggest the merged carrier's substantial East Coast operations will be based? I don't necessarily see IAD/PHL as a 'one or the other' si
169 aa757first : They already have a partner with Star Alliance. Why do they have to fly to Asia on their own metal? All in all, I think this would be a terrible idea
170 airmalejum : UA-US could work but It spells disaster. HOW it could work. HUBS ORD-IAD-CLT-DEN-SFO-PHX FOCUS CITIES PHL-LAX-BOS-LGA-*MIA *United can focus on Florid
171 United1 : Well this should be interesting if nothing else... Here would be my arm chair CEO what I would do... CLT- best asset US has in a combined UA/US merger
172 DL WIDGET HEAD : I concur mostly with your take. I think AA might have more of a desire for DCA than CO but who knows. Also, I could see the new UA selling off the A3
173 United1 : Possibly...I was thinking they would free up the 6 777s that UA used for Hawaii routes for international duties. Who knows...and quite frankly I thin
174 CYatUK : What about taking delivery of the remaining 18 A332 that US have on order and getting rid of the older 767s? Or even, replace completely the combined
175 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : No one airline could operate profitably with large hubs out west of DEN, PHX, LAX, and SFO.....there is just too much redundancy here for the same co
176 surfandsnow : Unfortunately, a merger would probably mean quite a few downgrades from mainline to express (MHT, SYR, ABE, MEM, SAT, etc.) and some routes cut altog
177 commavia : Yes, there is a way. I think it is quite likely that if this merger were to occur, both AA and CO would indeed stand by and watch it happen. AA and C
178 mjzair : Key points. HP/US merger is not complete due to lack of integration of seniority lists. People mention PHX would be redundant. What is the possibility
179 avek00 : I agree 110%. CO has nothing to lose from a UA/US merger. AA and CO could overcome any regulatory hurdles posed by a merger with a modicum of effort
180 IADCA : Ah, we were just talking past each other then; I thought you were talking solely about an international pulldown. Yes, a domestic drawdown would prob
181 Jacobin777 : ...hence why I stated "technically" (i.e.-legally)... ....ORD really doesn't have a slot problem-especially with the new runway, but terminal space i
182 IADLHR : Exactly. Where is the money, even in booming economic times, going to come from? What will the debt load be? How many jobs will be lost.? I cant see
183 rjpieces : Theoretically, couldn't US give up a lot of its small RJ flights from DCA, and give those slots away while keeping enough slots (perhaps 25% of what t
184 USAirALB : How are they near US to the Caribbean? UA only serves AUA, SXM, STT, SJU, and MBJ and PUJ seasonally. US serves BDA, NAS, FPO, AUA, STX, STT, SJU, MB
185 commavia : I do not think regulators or politicians (who finance the regulators) would go for that. The regulators would still see that - even if giving up some
186 iliribdl : How come there is no announcement from both companies yet?
187 FlyIGuy : That would work I would think...Alot of the smaller destinations are used for connection to another destination and if thats the case why not just ro
188 MoltenRock : My first thought is we know that both airlines have been interested in being bought. This is an easy way to force the issue. Just announce you are tal
189 PVDCMHOZ : Doesn't Republic Holdings hold most of the slots and facilities at DCA for US? If I remember correctly, US mortgaged off these facilities to obtain ca
190 TWFirst : I believe this is a ploy on the part of United to force Continental to reopen negotiations... CO is by far the better partner for UA. And I don't beli
191 enilria : Here's my 2 cents... I actually think US works much better with AA from a route structure perspective. Let's compare: DCA/IAD - UA We already know tha
192 PRAirbus : A combined US/UA will be the USA's 2nd largest to EUROPE; AA will be lagging on number of destinations served. Who will AA go to bed with??? AA and CO
193 MoltenRock : Fleet commonality frankly just doesn't matter when talking about B6 - AA merger. B6 has only 2 airframes, it's not like they have 10.
194 IADLHR : I firmly believe that AA will scream loud, long, and hard for the limit of 25%, that foreign airlines can have in US airlines, to be raised. BA, for
195 PRAirbus : AA is not merging w/B6...it would be nice though if AA would takeover B6 and dominate the markets it abandoned some 2yrs ago (SJU, FLL, MCO, etc). If
196 IADLHR : BA DC area ohas the highest percent of the population, of anywhere in the USA, that has passports. The huge diplomatic community in DC, the travel tha
197 Post contains images UAORD2000 : I think this is a way of "jumpstarting" the talks again with CO.
198 Macsog6 : I figure this is far more likely than AA making a move for CO or AS. AA is still smarting from the TW merger, not to mention QQ, and the ATI with BA/
199 Post contains images TSS : That was my exact thought as soon as I saw the thread title. I was wondering about that, too. It seems that the best potential benefits from a US/UA
200 United1 : Actually the older 777s are already being sent abroad the 6 domestic 777s are rather new and remember just because an aircraft looks old on the insid
201 United787 : Dumb Dumb Dumb... this has disaster written all over it... Mr. Tilton, please stay away from US and focus on building the relationship with CO, you ha
202 ckfred : I listened to Ron Allen, former CEO of Delta this morning on CNBC. He thinks the odd peson out is CO. According to Allen, AA is still big enough that
203 Post contains images DCA-ROCguy : That's what I've long thought. But as several have noted, US is not currently at risk of Ch. 7. Someone up above (can't find reply to quote) said US
204 mayor : Sorry if this is redundant, but I just got to this thread and didn't read all of the posts......I just had two questions about this. 1. What would be
205 manfredj : One thing and one thing only...security. Combine two failing airlines and you get one so big, it "can't fail." It ensures AA's existence, longevity a
206 rampart : This hasn't applied to NW at DTW. A large enough city, despite boom and bust, prevails. Throw in DEN and MEM, too. -Rampart
207 DualQual : The only airline that CO overlaps more than AA is pre-merger DL. Were you thinking UA/CO merger would be complimentary routes?
208 manfredj : I think CO is rather thin in South America compared to AA. The Miami hub would be a huge help. Additionally, AA would benefit from CO's strong presen
209 elcableguy77 : This coming from a man that nearly drove DL into the ground?? Him speaking on such matters means about as much as a hate group preaching love and tol
210 STT757 : In a word, kaput.
211 United1 : CO is in a virtual tie with DL for being the second largest airline to south america. CO and AA have massive amounts of overlap between them they wou
212 Tommy767 : If they did that HP would have kept DTW and dumped MEM and MSP for dumb reasons like they did with PIT, BOS, BWI, and soon LGA. DL is obviously manag
213 United1 : quote=Tommy767,reply=212]I think if CO chooses to step back and let a UA/US merger happen it would put them in a very bizarre position. CO has already
214 United787 : I think IAD is UA's best asset. A-Netter always say UA's biggest hole in their network is the Northeast and NYC but not having a NYC, PHL or BOS hub
215 avek00 : This is very much the case. The UA-CO cooperation will not diminish, slow down, or end as a result of a UA-US merger -- indeed, there are MORE opport
216 silentbob : It would require further divestitures for US at DCA, depending on how many slots UA has there. There is also the issue of trying to decide if they wa
217 HouStrategies : From a game theory and alliance dominance perspective: UA-CO drives US into AA and out of *A. But if US-UA merge first, and overlaps make CO unattract
218 commavia : Not necessarily. That's debatable. First off, UA can try and merge with either US or CO - not both. I think they would face regulatory hurdles trying
219 United1 : Financially I think UA would have its work cut out to turn US around but I don't think its impossible for that to occur. Operationally UA and US do f
220 United1 : I don't think that BWI has as much influence on IAD as one might think....they kind of serve the same market but not in the way that ORD/MDW or LGA/J
221 milesrich : Did this characterization of Ron Allen come from Fox News, or or what's her name Schaivo? Allen got blamed by Delta employees because of the Pan Am "
222 Post contains images cba : No way IAD would be reduced to keep PHL as the main hub. The DC-Northern Virginia region is booming, while the Philadelphia area is in decline. IAD se
223 mariner : I don't know that. I guess I have a very small brain. mariner
224 mogandoCI : DTW survives because CVG is the weak one here. Although both CVG and MEM continue to be listed as "hubs," routes are quitely cut and frequencies quiet
225 Alias1024 : The problem with a potential AA/CO merger isn't the overlap. They'd love nothing more than to have the pricing power that dominance in Texas, New York
226 Flighty : I'll say. They would need to learn a lot of new skills, skills that nobody believes they have today. So, which profitable routes would be cut, and wh
227 steeler83 : Well, I guess I know very little about UA's western ops. I thought the other was the bigger base, but I guess I'm wrong... You think anybody, let alo
228 cba : Well, in the case of DTW there is no real overlap with a DL hub... sure there is CVG, but DTW is NW's main hub and even before the merger DL had been
229 1337Delta764 : Instead of the United or the US Airways names, how about combining to two names? Two good combinations include United States Airways (US Airways spell
230 LDVAviation : Exactly how have they proved their detractors wrong? United is a mere shadow of the airline they were when they first ventured a merger with USAirway
231 Post contains images AerLingusA330 : Exactly. However, since they'll merge...they'll undoubtedly go under and we'll knock out two birds with one stone! Yeah, the consumer/passenger.
232 Post contains images kiwiandrew : Why not the other way around ? Isn't B6 in better shape than AA and arguably better run ? Why would it be thrown out the window , they could continue
233 ckfred : The fact that Alllen mismanaged DL doesn't disqualify him from making observations about the airline industry. He worked his entire career at DL, wel
234 Flighty : Again.. UA is looking for a regime change. Most likely Doug Parker would be in the CEO (it sure won't be Tilton). UA's headquarters on Wacker Drive i
235 United1 : You know they have a little over 4 billion in the bank and are on a cash on hand vs revenue the best capitalized of all the legacies right. UA mainli
236 kiwiandrew : I dont have a bias one way or the other on this since I dont travel to or through the US but I am curious whether there is any info available on the
237 United1 : More profitable then IAD? Have you considered that Parker approached UA not the other way around...remember it was UA turning US down the last two ro
238 Flighty : There probably is, but it's not an easy endeavor to compare airline hub yields as a whole. IAD is LCC influenced and also subject to DCA's superior y
239 United1 : IAD to PEK and NRT are both non-stop this summer on 777s...UA combines the two during the winter season on a 747.
240 kiwiandrew : Really ? That seems incredible , would you be able to tell me where I can find that data ? ( Not disbelieving you , I just would be fascinated to see
241 Flighty : This was saved from an a.net thread in early 2009. It is for Summer 2009 so it's now slightly out of date. Enjoy KEY: hub..........affiliate-mainline
242 United1 : US@CLT has more flights out of it then UA@ORD and CLT would be the combined airlines largest hub in terms of flights. I have no idea what passenger n
243 United1 : teach me not to hit refresh before posting...keep in mind that UA is growing to 620 or so daily flights out of ORD this summer so they may have US be
244 Post contains images kiwiandrew : Thanks for that . Now that I think about it I suppose that because ORD is a hub for two big carriers so UA has to share the market there and CLT is a
245 COUAFA : This is from UA President, John Tague, today: Dear fellow employee, Bynow there’s little doubt you’ve read or heard a great deal of speculation re
246 Post contains links OP3000 : Don't know if has been posted on here before (couldn't find anything), but word is CO is now weighing its options as to a UA tie-up: http://www.bloomb
247 Alias1024 : That's contrary to the reports yesterday afternoon as this story broke. The reports were that US Airways would be the acquiring carrier for "structur
248 Post contains links Yazoo : FA's dont seem very much in support of the deal : United/US Airways Deal Won’t Fly Without Flight Attendants
249 Post contains links COUAFA : This is just from the Bloomberg news: Pilots at Continental and United have remained in contact since the 2008 merger discussions. Continental’s pil
250 STT757 : From doing a Google news search I've seen various articles including one with a quote from Gordon Bethune which come to the same conclusion many here
251 Post contains links AAEXP : See this interesting article from WSJ's Law Blog: http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/04/08/...uster-this-time/?mod=djemlawblog_h
252 ca2ohHP : Yeah we all know mergers take place to benefit only the pilots. Give me a break, US, CO, AA, UA or whomever has a responsibility to all employee grou
253 IADCA : Interesting article, yes - but the key language from the DL/NW decision was under the Bush Justice Department, and the Varney record has been thin sp
254 silentbob : I agree that it has little to no impact, my post was in reference to the growth possibilities at the two airports. With so much LCC presence at BWI i
255 Post contains images Tommy767 : CO is actually pretty weak in the Southwest. Merging with UA would will the empty void on many levels (midwest, west, asia etc.) And UA would gain CO
256 FLYAWA : Going for UA when CO would be better fit for US, is like last time when US went for DL, even though NW was a better fit with US. So DL ended up gettin
257 OP3000 : The conclusion seems to be that the DOJ's approach is to tweak deals where competition would be affected (which in this case are not very many spots)
258 COUAFA : I am sorry, but we at UA shouldn't be the ones that have to "help" another airline deal with their seniority issues. That's something that US Airways
259 osubuckeyes : I really dont understand that some people insist that PHL, DCA, and CLT would have to go or be reduced. Out of the 4 all are currently profitable (bas
260 AJMIA : If you took AA's system and AAdvantage program and added B6 in NY and adopted their service standards that would be some airline! I do think the pote
261 apodino : With both Pilot Union's in contract negotiations, they may not even let this merger see the light of day, except for maybe the West pilots who have b
262 billreid : This merger won't happen. It leaves CO as a fifth largest US airline which is a recipe for disaster. CO Will and must step up to the plate. That will
263 Post contains links stasisLAX : "Barely a month out of bankruptcy, United Airlines is already lavishing stock options on senior executives, including CEO Glenn Tilton, who has seen t
264 kiwiandrew : How old is that quote ? UA exited bankruptcy in February 2006 .
265 elcableguy77 : The same was said about the DL/NW deal. They first tried a merger 20-25 years ago, and it fell through. Changing economic times make for strange bedf
266 F9Animal : I don't care what anyone says, but Parker really has done a neat job.
267 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : This merger would really put Southwest as the enemy. With DEN, PHX, LAX, and PHL as hubs the new UA merged airline would have to compete so much with
268 StarAlliance38 : Going for UA when CO would be better fit for US, is like last time when US went for DL, because NW was a better fit with US. So DL ended up getting th
269 mayor : You know, when I worked there, I though so, too. But, looking back, now, he didn't do nearly as much damage as Leo and 9/11 did.
270 USAirALB : around 700 from CLT this summer on US Yes, but CLT can sustain mutiple flights to Europe year-round, DEN can't. In the winter, they have LHR and FRA.
271 USAirALB : From US Airways "Wings" employee website: New York Times Story Sparks Merger Speculation April 08, 2010 Yesterday, the New York Times ran a story stat
272 airfrnt : I love the usual airliners armchair CEO comments. The question here is why do UA and US want to merge? Delta and Northwest are starting to look like a
273 EMB170 : Many have said that Tilton was brought in to merge UA with another carrier and then leave. Not surprising on his part. Parker has been saying that the
274 nwaesc : I'm gonna assume you meant "liquidate." What routes have been cut out of MEM since the merger? All I see are new ones being added.
275 kgaiflyer : Perhaps you'd like to develop this more. I'm not sure why this would be the case when Republic *already* contracts with *both* UA and US.
276 mayor : ??????? Whatever are you talking about? That would put it about either before the DL/WA merger or 3 years after. Either way, it didn't happen.
277 will777 : Can CLT really "sustain" these flights or are they only being added because of the fact that US has a huge hub there? I don't have any statistics or
278 elcableguy77 : If my dad's memory was correct (he worked at DL for 15 years), there was talk of DL merging with NW right around the same time as the Western deal. I
279 IADCA : I am sorry, but the quote you're quoting isn't from my post. If you're going to get all offended at a poster, perhaps you should try to direct it at
280 LAXdude1023 : CO doesnt have to do anything. They are top dog in two of the highest yielding (per flight) markets in the US at Houston and New York. If they dont d
281 mayor : Well, I worked for them for 33+ years and NEVER heard such a thing. The only other merger proposal at the time was to buy JetAmerica, but that fell t
282 norcal : Actually he is technically right, however there is a solution (see below). Technically speaking Shuttle America flies for UA while Republic flies for
283 elcableguy77 : Hmm. Could be that my dad was passing rumor (at the time) or speculation off as fact. Wouldn't be the first time for him..[Edited 2010-04-09 08:42:42
284 mayor : Possible. I never even heard a rumor of a DL/NW merger at the time, though. BTW, the proposed JetAmerica deal was in response to AA's purchase of Air
285 Post contains links will777 : Another article that says that CO is the better fit for UA... http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...onger-united-partner-update1-.html
286 Jacobin777 : However, according to reports, Tilton would be the one running the show. Why? PHL serves a different catchment area.
287 Brandonfsu05 : as other people have said...if they did merge it would be an interesting situation...PHL would really become strictly O and D as they have some LCC a
288 planefxr : Tilton has put a lot of lipstick on this pig, and still the only airline will to kiss it is US. Maybe just maybe there are still numerous financial g
289 cba : The NRT flight is not marginal... and it's also twice daily if you count the ANA code share. How many Asian flights does PHL sustain again? Another p
290 Post contains images Tommy767 : It an era of industry consolidation it's simply not good enough. CLE is really a focus city, GUM is an isolated small hub that you hardly hear about.
291 will777 : I understand that CLT is a logical place for a hub, however, Atlanta also is a much larger metro area (just below Washington D.C.) with way more peop
292 Flighty : Yeah, it looks like I was majorly out of date, or just wrong on that one. ANA appeared to leave in 2005? because of weak results. Maybe that gave me
293 ca2ohHP : You took my statement completely out of context. I agree the US/HP pilots should have been under one collective bargaining agreement years ago. Trust
294 CV880 : The CSA metro area (which is probably more of an accurate area population basis) of CLT is ranked #20, or about 41% that of ATL, with CLT boardings a
295 LAXdude1023 : How does AS survive?
296 Post contains links LipeGIG : With almost 300 posts, please continue the discussion on Part II United And US Airways In Merger Talks Part II (by LipeGIG Apr 9 2010 in Civil Aviatio
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