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AA 738 At SFO  
User currently offlinerobert1979 From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6086 times:

I was at SFO today and noticed an AA 738 at the gate. I checked FlightAware and it advised it was AA Flight 1954 from LAX. I was just curious if this was going to be a permanent change from the MD83 or it is a temporary equipment change. It looked very odd parked at the gates reserved for the 757's and 767's.

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User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6061 times:

Yes. SFO-LAX is going to all 738 eventually, I believe by June.

User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6051 times:

It seems that 3 of 6 flights LAX - SFO are now on 738, the other 3 remaining M80.

From July 2, it shows all 6 flights operated by 738, although I don't know if this will be permanent or just a temporary schedule.


User currently offlineaa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5998 times:

I'm flying on AA on 4/15 (SFO-ORD) on the redeye that leaves around 11:50pm. It was orginally scheduled to be a MD83. Now it's a 738.


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 1):
Yes. SFO-LAX is going to all 738 eventually, I believe by June.

Wow, is AA making LAX a 738 crew base? I thought that that (crew base considerations) was the reason that 738's are rarely seen unless the flight originates or terminates in DFW  

Is SFO-LAX being operated as a tag-on to a DFW flight?



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User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5900 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
Wow, is AA making LAX a 738 crew base?

LAX is already a 738 base, and has been for some time now, along with DCA, DFW, MIA and ORD. Co-terminals for LAX are ONT and SNA.


User currently offlinerobert1979 From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5529 times:

Thanks for the info.

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5514 times:

S80s will become a lot less common at LAX. The 738s will not only go to LAX-SFO, but also LAX-SJD/LAS/AUS.


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User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2897 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5157 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 7):
S80s will become a lot less common at LAX.

I wonder if in a year or so all MD-80 flights will originate or terminate in either ORD or DFW. Looks like LAX, MIA, and JFK won't see any of them anymore.



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User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4921 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 8):
I wonder if in a year or so all MD-80 flights will originate or terminate in either ORD or DFW. Looks like LAX, MIA, and JFK won't see any of them anymore.

MIA hasn't had any S80s is a long time.


User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5700 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4834 times:

Will we see LAX-STL switch to 738 or is that S80 a STL "base" operation and not LAX?

I was checking flights from SFO-STL and it did have me re route through LAX on a 738 so thought that was interesting.

Alex



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3949 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4772 times:
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Quoting robert1979 (Thread starter):
I was at SFO today and noticed an AA 738 at the gate.

Already back in 2002, I remember seeing an American 737-800 in SFO.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 8):
I wonder if in a year or so all MD-80 flights will originate or terminate in either ORD or DFW.

And LGA. Except MIA, all AA flights out of LGA see S80's. Besides ORD and DFW which you mention, there will still be a few other flights such as BNA-LGA and STL-LGA seeing the S80, and RDU-LGA unless that one goes all Eagle.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlineatomsareenough From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 566 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4719 times:

I don't think there are going to be any AA MD-80s scheduled to SFO by this time next year.

BTW, does anyone know whether the 738s based out of LAX are the 148-seat or the 160-seat version?


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6844 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

LAX-EWR is also operated by a 738


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4680 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 11):
Quoting robert1979 (Thread starter):
I was at SFO today and noticed an AA 738 at the gate.

Already back in 2002, I remember seeing an American 737-800 in SFO.

I used to fly SFO-ORD-SFO on B738's quite a bit back in the early/mid 2000's....



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User currently offlineCPelka From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4559 times:

Quoting robert1979 (Thread starter):

According to American's employee site ORD-SFO from today on will be operated by new 738's and 1 763, however tomorrow (Friday 4/10) it is showing a mix of 738's, 1 763, and one MD80.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 13):
LAX-EWR is also operated by a 738

One would hope, the MD-80 doesn't have the range  



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6844 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 16):
One would hope, the MD-80 doesn't have the range  

God help us if they tried that.



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User currently offlineCPelka From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4510 times:

Quoting CPelka (Reply 15):

editing my own info............I believe beginning from this Saturday on through the summer I see ORD-SFO being operated by 3 738's, 1 763, and 1 MD-80 daily until august or so (according to employee intranet). Either way good to see AA placing the new 738's on the ORD-SFO route as well as adding an extra frequency.

[Edited 2010-04-08 11:35:20]

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17126 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 13):
LAX-EWR is also operated by a 738

So it has been downgraded from the 757?



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6844 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4464 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 19):
So it has been downgraded from the 757?

Since January. It was a 762 from May-Mid November '09 and then a 757 in December and finally to a 738 in Jan of this year.



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User currently offlinestealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4450 times:

Actually from a noise perspective its a very good thing that AA is dropping the MD-80's out from KSFO. This will help the neighbors stop complaining about the noise those planes makes. I believe the MD-80's is the loudest plane operating into SFO so all i can say good riddence. Trust me I'm not one of those complaining, I just have to deal with them (the people not the jets that is)

-Stealth


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17126 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 20):
Since January. It was a 762 from May-Mid November '09 and then a 757 in December and finally to a 738 in Jan of this year.

How do they really perform on this route?



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User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4172 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 22):
How do they really perform on this route?

I can't speak about yields, but the LF for the year 2009 was 80,68%. For the months when it was operated by a 752 the average LF was 76,95% and for the ones were it was flown by a 762 the LF was 85,22%. As the 762 is a 3-class aircraft, and even though I don't know the yields, I suppose they are performing quite well...


User currently offlineUALORD From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4102 times:

Quoting CPelka (Reply 18):

ORD-SFO being operated by 3 738's, 1 763, and 1 MD-80 daily until august or so (according to employee intranet). Either way good to see AA placing the new 738's on the ORD-SFO route as well as adding an extra frequency.

It seems that AA can't keep up with UA capacity on the SFO-ORD. And those flight run full.


25 commavia : As much is to be expected, considering that Chicago and San Francisco are two of United's largest hubs, and thus it is only logical that they will be
26 Tommy767 : 85% for a 762 between EWR-LAX isn't bad. AA tends to bring the 762 back in periods every few or so years (see IAD as well.)
27 Post contains images thebry : Yup... I'm going to be on AA1915 on Monday - SFO-LAX for connection to AA144 non-stop LAX-IAD flight. Both legs are on 738s. What's surprising is that
28 Post contains images aar90 : LAX was the FIRST 738 pilot crew base and has remained active since it began. We have no "co-terminals in SoCal. All are "satellite" crew bases [smal
29 PacificClipper : Considering the current state of the 757 interiors, the 738 is an upgrade from an aesthetic POV. Comfort and amenities are probably about the same th
30 CPelka : according to my employee site the ORD-SFO flights do really well....they've been evenly sold or oversold all week and seem to remain that way for the
31 AABB777 : I was on AA149 IAD-LAX and AA74 LAX-IAD last week and both were the new 738s with new F and Y seating. The F Class seats are much less "bulky" than t
32 Tomassjc : AA SJC-ORD is now a 738 2x daily. Nice to have a change of scene at SJC. .
33 American 767 : Wasn't ORD-SJC the first flight that ever saw the 738 back in 1999 when the type was introduced? IIRC it was. Then it saw the Super 80 for a while wh
34 commavia : Nope. It was March 2 1999 if I remember correctly, and the first flights were 77 IAD-LAX (of 9/11 infamy) and a morning ORD-LAX, timed so they would
35 Post contains images KELPkid : I would imagine you could fly overwater through most of the Gulf of Mexico/Carribean without being more than 60 minutes flying time beyond a suitable
36 AAR90 : Not that I am aware of. AA 738s are NOT ETOPS certified.
37 AABB777 : Correct: AA 738s are not ETOPS certified, but rather over water certified.
38 N62NA : And it (EWR-LAX) will most likely be dropped by AA completely in the next few years.
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