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Video - Takeoff In A Storm.  
User currently offlinebtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 578 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 27310 times:

Browsing youtube and came accross this video - thought I would share.

Would you consider this to be safe? Check out the wing flex.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9IhQxmt08U


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12436 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 27217 times:

It's impossible to tell without actually knowing the windspeed and direction and what was in front of them (i.e. what could the crew see on their weather radar and what forecasts they had); at the end of the video, they seem to be coming into blue skies. Obviously there has to be weather limitations, but if everyone stopped flying because of the odd drop of rain, aviation would grind to a halt. I've flown safely in weather as bad as that, if not worse.

I did think the t/o roll was quite long!


User currently offlinewilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 27082 times:

Why is the outboard spoiler up during the takeoff roll ? I know they are used for roll control but on take off?

[Edited 2010-04-08 07:03:26]

User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1527 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 26921 times:

Quoting william (Reply 2):
Why is the outboard spoiler up during the takeoff roll ? I know they are used for roll control but on take off?

They're used for roll control full time. Looks like there was a stiff crosswind.


User currently offlinetheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 26313 times:

The wings are supposed to flex, they are designed that way. See the below Lufthansa 747-400 take off in windy conditions, look how much the wings and the engines are moving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlLma_BLaM0


User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4996 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 25990 times:

That turbulence so close to the ground would have worried me a bit. Not much room for recovery there if they encountered a micro burst. Those passengers were not happy with this takeoff, that's for sure?

What airline?



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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2821 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 25919 times:

Quoting btblue (Thread starter):
Would you consider this to be safe?

Irrelevant speculation: none of us were there, nor do any of us have the information the crew had available to them. Obviously the flight was uneventful, which while no guarantee of safety, does make me give the crew the benefit of the doubt. We earn our salaries not so much on a sunny day with light winds, but fully on days when weather is at the margins of safety (and with other complications.)

Quoting william (Reply 2):
Why is the outboard spoiler up during the takeoff roll ?

Big crosswind from the left.

Quoting william (Reply 2):
I know they are used for roll control but on take off?

Yes.

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 3):
They're used for roll control full time. Looks like there was a stiff crosswind.

Big time.


User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 25897 times:

Looks like a barf fest.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9781 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 25662 times:

Quoting btblue (Thread starter):
Check out the wing flex.

Wingflex seems okay to me, not that extreme at all.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
I did think the t/o roll was quite long!

Yes, that was my impression too.

A388


User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 673 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 25493 times:
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I read on a previous thread this was an Aeroflot 767-300 from an Asian airport.....maybe HKG or NRT during a Typhoon....or just before it hit the area. A "sit up straight" kind of ride with the white bag discreetly handy. Not quite as graphic, but my ride on the last WN flight into TPA before Hurricane Charley hit landfall in 2004 was a "we will be unable to offer any cabin service" scenario. After that landing, you had a high regard for the integrity of Boeing products!


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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4489 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 25389 times:

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 6):
Irrelevant speculation: none of us were there, nor do any of us have the information the crew had available to them. Obviously the flight was uneventful, which while no guarantee of safety, does make me give the crew the benefit of the doubt. We earn our salaries not so much on a sunny day with light winds, but fully on days when weather is at the margins of safety (and with other complications.)

   I will also add that the video poster's title of "severe storm" is incredibly subjective. I've had takeoffs in clear weather after frontal passage that required flight control usage like that.



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User currently offlineAirCalSNA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 25385 times:

Exhibit A of why not to fly on Russian airlines. I contrast this to pilots I hear at JFK telling the tower they will NOT take-off during rough weather.

User currently offlineflylot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 24080 times:

eh. The contrails are pretty awesome. The only thing that disturbs me is how long that takeoff roll was.

Quoting AirCalSNA (Reply 11):
Exhibit A of why not to fly on Russian airlines. I contrast this to pilots I hear at JFK telling the tower they will NOT take-off during rough weather.

You shouldn't have said that. I'm not gonna do it. But someones about to rip you a new one.



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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 23403 times:

Quoting AirCalSNA (Reply 11):
Exhibit A of why not to fly on Russian airlines. I contrast this to pilots I hear at JFK telling the tower they will NOT take-off during rough weather.

For the faint hearted perhaps. To me it looks like a pretty good reason to fly a Russian airline.


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 23406 times:

Quoting AirCalSNA (Reply 11):
Exhibit A of why not to fly on Russian airlines. I contrast this to pilots I hear at JFK telling the tower they will NOT take-off during rough weather.

Been living under a rock much?  

I saw nothing wrong in that video. It may seem extreme and unusual to the untrained eye, but it was certainly just another day in the office for the pilots.


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9041 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 23077 times:

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 10):
I will also add that the video poster's title of "severe storm" is incredibly subjective. I've had takeoffs in clear weather after frontal passage that required flight control usage like that.

I think 8 out of the 11 aircraft that were going to takeoff around that time decided to go back to the gate, and the two main local airlines in HKG had already stopped operating due to the conditions.



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User currently offlineairproxx From France, joined Jun 2008, 635 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 23046 times:

Quoting btblue (Thread starter):
Would you consider this to be safe? Check out the wing flex.

Safe... Nobody can tell by only seeing the video.
A lot of water and some turbulences (by the way, left cross wind this day apparently..) doesn't mean "unsafe"... So keep it rollin' baby! And just enjoy the wingflex indeed!



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User currently offlinekevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 22960 times:

I am sure this was not the only aircraft that ook off from that airport that day. However this seems to be the only video that made it to youtube. Impressive piloting. People seemed to be happy/shitless scared too  

User currently offlineBOAC911 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 22931 times:

The video was taken during takoff from SVO. The outlines of Terminal 2 (Sheremetyevo II) can be discerned early on.

User currently offlineamexair From Ethiopia, joined Sep 2009, 60 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 22810 times:

I was wondering, wouldn't the aileron roll being raised like that to compensate for the wind cause distraction over the air flow( just like spoilers) slowing the plane and perhaps requiring a longer use of runway or high take-off thrust?

User currently onlineCairnterriAIR From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 22524 times:

I've been experienced much worse as a passenger than shown in that video. Departed BDL aboard an Air Ontario Dash-8 as Tropical Storm Floyd was pulling away back in 1999. Talk about a barf-fest!!! What is interesting in the video is some of the passengers seem to be laughing (probably a little nervous at the same time).

[Edited 2010-04-08 15:57:51]

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 22205 times:

Speedbrakes deployed on take-off... What the!!!

EK413



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19608 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 21728 times:

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 9):
I read on a previous thread this was an Aeroflot 767-300 from an Asian airport.....maybe HKG or NRT during a Typhoon....or just before it hit the area. A "sit up straight" kind of ride with the white bag discreetly handy. Not quite as graphic, but my ride on the last WN flight into TPA before Hurricane Charley hit landfall in 2004 was a "we will be unable to offer any cabin service" scenario. After that landing, you had a high regard for the integrity of Boeing products!

I flew SAN-SFO in a WN 73G during the "Great Storm of January" on the West Coast. We took off at what I'm pretty sure was max allowable N1 and climbed through about 30,000 feet of nothing but storms. When we got out of the storm, it was out of the side of the cloud, not out of the top. Looked like it extended to about FL 450-500. That 737 handled it like the routine SAN-SFO flight it was, with the exception of a rather spectacular takeoff.

Would there be a reason to keep the spoilers up to retard rotation until the speed was high enough to allow greater control surface authority?


User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2821 posts, RR: 45
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 21589 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 21):
Speedbrakes deployed on take-off... What the!!!

They are being used for roll augmentation. Note that both ailerons are up when the roll spoilers are as well.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):
Would there be a reason to keep the spoilers up to retard rotation until the speed was high enough to allow greater control surface authority?

No, but the same surfaces work to augment roll control as well; note that they move in sync with large upward deflections of the ailerons.


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9041 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 21454 times:

Quoting BOAC911 (Reply 18):
The video was taken during takoff from SVO. The outlines of Terminal 2 (Sheremetyevo II) can be discerned early on.

No that is HKG runway 25L, you see them pass the freight apron, a number of CX 744 freighters, then the fire trainer and fire station at around 45 seconds into the clip, then they pass the goverment air wing hanger/apron.

This is the same departure on a better day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCyB5vuJb0g



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25 0NEWAIR0 : Seemed fine to me. Good wind correction in... probably very gusty which is why it looked so bumpy. Things always look worse from the cabin.... especia
26 Post contains links HotelDJRomeo : This takeoff was recently discussed here: Take Off In A Typhoon (by Capt.Fantastic Feb 13 2010 in Civil Aviation)
27 Maverick623 : Laughter is the most common reaction to psychological stress. Absolutely not. If it came down to that, it's just best not to attempt flying.
28 LASoctoberB6 : Yeah, that was slightly unsettling, but, I'd still hop on for the ride!
29 AirCalSNA : I've often seen spoilers start to left on take-off. I think the are pulled up a bit by the Venturi effect. Or, perhaps I'm completely wrong!
30 0NEWAIR0 : You are lol. When there is full deflection and the flaps are out to a particular degree speed breaks are used to augment the affect of the ailerons.
31 Aeroflot777 : That's most definitely NOT Sheremetyevo. And the terminal you are referring to, is now called SVO F. Great takeoff. Must have been a thrill for aviat
32 hugoandres1984 : The most dificult part for a plane is Take off because there is a desicion speed Calling V1 V1 is the desicion speed if you reject take off this speed
33 Mikelive : WoW! Seeing the spoilers up like that made me sit up and take notice, never knew that was possible on a take-off roll, so I learned something today an
34 wjcandee : I am amused at all the usual "it was safe because professional pilots decided to go" and "just another day at the office" comments, in light of the fa
35 TrnsWrld : I dont care what any of you guys say I have never seen a commercial airliner takeoff in conditions like that!!! I have flown on hundreds of commercial
36 Post contains images Dizzy777 : Ok, so its raining with a stiff cross wind.. Hardly a "severe storm"
37 Post contains links zeke : Just like this day, at the same airport http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_grAqcO-GY
38 Post contains links and images je89_w : It is really an impressive video! The passengers sure sounded like they were in for a ride! It would have been quite scary especially for non-seasoned
39 Post contains images soon7x7 : If your a pilot at any level then you will remember the cross wind take offs your instructor would give you in your 152, or whatever,...you immedietel
40 huxrules : Looks like the first wing flex is just a response to the spoiler retracting. Must have been a ton of lift at that moment! I would have enjoyed it - bu
41 soon7x7 : It looked like a fun ride...didn't it? And it was a good study of airflow with a deployed spoiler as the rain helped you to visually track the airflo
42 pylon101 : I guess the Russian pilots knew what they were doing. We have severe weather here in Russia pretty often. So pilots are trained to act accordingly. I
43 TrnsWrld : Wow, some people on this site never cease to amaze me. How you can possibly think thats not a severe storm and act like that was a typical everyday t
44 JPuentes : Im pretty sure it was just a cross wind and i know i only have a few hours in a 152 but with like 14 knt crosswind a little turbulence a video on yout
45 Navigator : I saw nothing unusual about this take off. I also do not think it is wise to pass judgements on pilots actions from a passenger seat.
46 Fly2HMO : Every senior pilot has encountered typhoon-like conditions at one point or another. My point is the pilots knew what they were getting into and very
47 Post contains images Aaron747 : That says everything. Overheard several carriers at SFO the last time there was a significant system with wind shear alerts saying they refused to ta
48 ThirtyEcho : On days like this one, I sit back and think, "Glad that I don't have to wrestle this pig." Nothing appeared to be even remotely dangerous. YouTube is
49 AirGabon : it's a SU B763 taking off from HKG. It's writing in russian in the tittle of the video.
50 Dizzy777 : Yes, i am now a machine operator.. but... i was ramp staff for 5 years, and trained and tranferred to become an engineer before leaving the airline i
51 Aerosol : From the book I read: "The lowest possible risk comes on a clear and calm day from an airfield of very generous size. Anything you add to that is a ri
52 faro : This makes the T/O borderline, which can be both safe and unsafe. If the T/O parameters were still within performance and SOP limits, it was (nominal
53 soon7x7 : My cameras are always ready to roll on take off and landing....the rest of the passengers are welcome to turn off their cell phones and laptops...Whe
54 Aaron747 : Not if that's an untowered GA field in Australia or the US - then you're really asking for trouble. The words "pilot stupidity" have not appeared in
55 slz396 : My guess is the take-off what that long because they used a technique in which they increased the VR as much as possible (by staying on the ground lon
56 pylon101 : We should also keep in mind that SU flight from Hong Kong is full most of the time. And cargo load is maximum. Having in mind the distance we can assu
57 borism : Did you just compare "severe weather" in Russia to Tropical Typhoon? because I wanted to object to that comment: but if pilots in russian airlines re
58 theginge : As has been mentioned above if you don't have aileron roll to compensate for a cross wind then the wing in to the wing will start to lift more than t
59 Viscount724 : HKG-SVO is 3859 nm, shorter than dozens of other 763 routes, including several currently or previously operated by SU with the 763, such as: SVO-JFK
60 pylon101 : I didn't see any reference that it was Tropical Typhoon. To figure it out we need to know 1) the exact time of making video and weather conditions an
61 Post contains links zeke : I think in the CX case it has just been some internal management review of previous events. It is very common for HKG to get hit with a Typhoons, and
62 413X3 : I was about to ask, what happens if they lost an engine? It would not have been pretty
63 Post contains images pylon101 : If they lost an engine? I guess next time Aeroflot would send IL-96-300 there
64 RJ111 : What do you think happens? They fly out on one...
65 borism : In normal weather! If they needed maximum roll spoiler on takeoff and climbout and lost an engine on the wrong side, I'm not sure they would still ma
66 Post contains links zeke : The youtube link in the OP is a repost of the original youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWu2LGiACLs This is an English translation what t
67 pylon101 : Thanks for the reference to the original video and comment. What do we have in the end? ATC permission was given. SU flight captain decided to take of
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