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AA/JL Announcement At LAX Today?  
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11387 posts, RR: 62
Posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13086 times:

According to this otherwise-only-loosely-related article on the official BA-Iberia merger agreement, was this:

The Oneworld alliance will hold a news conference in Los Angeles later on Thursday to announce a joint venture between American and Japan Airlines (Tokyo:9205.T - News) on Pacific routes, an industry source said. BA's Chief Executive Willie Walsh and Iberia boss Antonio Vazquez will both be present.

Did the journalist get this partially wrong or completely wrong? Is this press conference going to happen? And if so, what are they going to announce? The AA-JL joint venture has already been "announced" at the press conference over a month ago in Tokyo, and if government approval was attained, I suspect we would have heard about it.

So - speculation - are they going to announce specifics about networks, integration, etc.? An announcement on more AA/oneworld growth at LAX (following on last week's announcement of growth in New York)?

It is interesting that - if this report is true - both the BA and Iberia leaders will be present at this meeting supposedly about AA and JAL.

Hmmm...

[Edited 2010-04-08 09:40:17]

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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9255 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 12663 times:

I don't get why it would be LA.

Quoting commavia (Thread starter):
So - speculation - are they going to announce specifics about networks, integration, etc.? An announcement on more AA/oneworld growth at LAX (following on last week's announcement of growth in New York)?

Maybe IB is starting LAX flights and BA/IAB/JL are moving into T4? I don't know if T4 has any gates the 77W will fit in though and they only have 2 gates with FIS(41 and 43).

Quoting commavia (Thread starter):
Did the journalist get this partially wrong or completely wrong? Is this press conference going to happen? And if so, what are they going to announce? The AA-JL joint venture has already been "announced" at the press conference over a month ago in Tokyo, and if government approval was attained, I suspect we would have heard about it.

and why would thye do this in LAX and not TYO?(or DFW)



yep.
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11387 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12571 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 1):
Maybe IB is starting LAX flights

Maybe - that has been suggested many times before.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 1):
and BA/IAB/JL are moving into T4?

JL maybe - since they only have a single daily LAX flight. BA - I doubt, since they have multiple daily flights out of LAX and since they have invested hugely in joint lounges with QF at TBIT. BA won't leave TBIT without QF.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 1):
I don't know if T4 has any gates the 77W will fit in though and they only have 2 gates with FIS(41 and 43).

Several T4 gates could handle a 77W in terms of size, albeit potentially with blocking out gates on either side of it - sort of like what happens now with the QF 747s at LAX.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 1):
and why would thye do this in LAX and not TYO?(or DFW)

Well, exactly - that is what I'm curious about. The original article said it was the alliance that would be holding a press conference in LAX. I agree that if this was purely an AA/JL thing, I would think that Fort Worth or Tokyo would be more appropriate venues. The selection of LAX would tend to imply some sort of broader news item involving not just AA/JL, but the alliance - which would seem to be corroborated by the wording in the article.

Then again, I could just be reading into this too much and this whole thing could be a journalistic error. I guess we'll find out this afternoon ...


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4975 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12489 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 1):


I don't get why it would be LA.

If reps from BA and IB will be there as well, LAX is a good "central" location for them to go to.



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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9255 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12378 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 3):
If reps from BA and IB will be there as well, LAX is a good "central" location for them to go to.

I don't really see that, and i still don't see why they would be in LA.
LHR? sure, MAD? sure, TYO? sure DFW? sure LAX.....ehh don't get it.

Quoting commavia (Reply 2):
Well, exactly - that is what I'm curious about. The original article said it was the alliance that would be holding a press conference in LAX. I agree that if this was purely an AA/JL thing, I would think that Fort Worth or Tokyo would be more appropriate venues. The selection of LAX would tend to imply some sort of broader news item involving not just AA/JL, but the alliance - which would seem to be corroborated by the wording in the article.

Right, thats why i said they could be moving into T4 but i don't get why they would.(or like you pointed out, if they would)

Quoting commavia (Reply 2):
Several T4 gates could handle a 77W in terms of size, albeit potentially with blocking out gates on either side of it - sort of like what happens now with the QF 747s at LAX.

I wasn't sure if the 77W would be to long for AA's FIS gates (because they are on the TBIT side)

Quoting commavia (Reply 2):
Maybe - that has been suggested many times before.

I could see it like IB starting MAD, BA adding back the 3rd daily LHR flight, AA/JL talking about the JV, maybe adding flights(maybe JL will start LAX-HND and AA will take over LAX-NRT?)



yep.
User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32573 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12281 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 4):
BA adding back the 3rd daily LHR flight,

That was added back a long time ago.



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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1286 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12144 times:

LAX-KIX? Maybe a joint venture is what is needed for this route to be successful?

User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12108 times:

My (very optimistic!) guess is that they will announce a new member of oneworld from mainland China, with AA and JL as their joint sponsors.


Ryan / HKG
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11387 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12036 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 7):
My (very optimistic!) guess is that they will announce a new member of oneworld from mainland China, with AA and JL as their joint sponsors.

I do remember hearing rumblings a few months ago that an announcement along those lines could possibly be forthcoming.

But I would still be surprised if they chose LAX to announce that - why not go to China?


User currently offlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 1032 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11825 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 8):
I do remember hearing rumblings a few months ago that an announcement along those lines could possibly be forthcoming.

But I would still be surprised if they chose LAX to announce that - why not go to China?

Because LA is the center of the world. I thought you knew that. Didn't you learn anything from the discussions on Delta's plans to turn LAX into their next megahub? ; )


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9255 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11485 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 5):
That was added back a long time ago.

ok let me try that again, AA/BA adding a 5th daily LAX-LHR

I wouldn't think BA/AA would want to try LGW/MAN/STN-LAX.



yep.
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24727 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11210 times:

Here is the announcement.

Not much of anything.
Just a ra-ra-ra PR piece. Guess CEO's wanted an excuse to come out and enjoy the nice weather in LA.   

oneworld CEOs Mark Alliance's Breakthrough Year

From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8250 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11112 times:
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Sounds like these guys just wanted to go to Los Angeles for a photo opp. Given the March Willie Walsh has had who can blame him.

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11387 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10447 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Here is the announcement.

Not much of anything.
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):
Sounds like these guys just wanted to go to Los Angeles for a photo opp. Given the March Willie Walsh has had who can blame him.
Lame.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9255 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9609 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 13):

Booooooooooooo
I mean other than the WX i still dont get LAX....Plus IMO MCO is very nice this time of the year



yep.
User currently offlinecentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8504 times:

Why LAX?

The only thing I can think is that they are going to focus on LAX to connect JL and AA flights. Maybe they are going to start launching JV flights to Japanese destinations that used to be served by JL from the location.

Maybe AA will start these routes with JL?

Look forward to it.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32573 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8434 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 14):
I mean other than the WX i still dont get LAX.

What is there not to get? LAX is an important oneWorld hub.



a.
User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7973 times:

Maybe they wanted to make an official announcement of all the jobs JL looks to eliminate in the next year or so.  


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5231 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7941 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Here is the announcement.

Not much of anything.
Just a ra-ra-ra PR piece. Guess CEO's wanted an excuse to come out and enjoy the nice weather in LA.   

oneworld CEOs Mark Alliance's Breakthrough Year

Wow, that's really lame.  



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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3630 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7678 times:
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If there should be any disappointment, it should be with the authors of the original news article. They either didn't bother to check the information or just plain speculated on the reason for the news conference. This was a normal scheduled Governing Board meeting and they always seem to have some kind of press release after these meetings. These meetings tend to happen in an oneworld airline headquarters city, but not always. Sometimes, it just so happens that some other meeting is occurring that brings everyone to the same place. The previous Governing Board meeting was in Montreal during an IATA meeting and they had a press release after that meeting as well.

User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5231 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7563 times:

Quoting ha763 (Reply 19):
If there should be any disappointment, it should be with the authors of the original news article. They either didn't bother to check the information or just plain speculated on the reason for the news conference.

Well and I'm pretty sure that this is why most people are disappointed. The announcement itself is fine, but most of us were expecting something bigger given the tone of the original release.

Although, I must take exception with AA's characterization of IT and S7 as India's and Russia's leading airlines. I'm pretty sure that AI and SU would have something to say about that.  



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32573 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7536 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 20):

Although, I must take exception with AA's characterization of IT and S7 as India's and Russia's leading airlines. I'm pretty sure that AI and SU would have something to say about that.


Kingfisher Airlines is the largest domestic airline in India and S7 is the largest domestic airline in Russia. In 2008, for example, S7 carried 43% more domestic Russian passengers than second largest Aeroflot.

And from a quality of product standpoint Kingfisher and S7 undoubtedly outshine Air India and Aeroflot, respectively.

With oneWorld, the two will undoubtedly want to take advantage of their far superior on-board product and domestic market strength and exploit oneWorld's resources to grow internationally.

[Edited 2010-04-08 23:43:04]


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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7401 times:
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Quoting mah4546 (Reply 21):
Kingfisher Airlines is the largest domestic airline in India and S7 is the largest domestic airline in Russia. In 2008, for example, S7 carried 43% more domestic Russian passengers than second largest Aeroflot.

And from a quality of product standpoint Kingfisher and S7 undoubtedly outshine Air India and Aeroflot, respectively.

With oneWorld, the two will undoubtedly want to take advantage of their far superior on-board product and domestic market strength and exploit oneWorld's resources to grow internationally.

Wow! Learned something new tonight. I would never have thought there was a larger carrier in Russia than SU. What are the numbers?

How does S7 outshine SU? S7's fleet is definitely far from being new. SU has a very young, modern Airbus fleet while on the other hand, S7 has a hodge podge fleet with what becomes available on the market? They definitely do not have the same stream lined operating efficency SU has.

At the same time, KIngFisher offers a great product and have heard their inflgiht product is better than AI's. They need to develop their longhaul markets further whent he economy improves to stand and become more recognizable around the world.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5231 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7320 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 21):

Geez. I'm having a little bit of fun with the PR just to lighten up the mood given that most people outside India/Russia and a.net have not heard of Kingfisher or S7. Yet you, once again, take it and turn it into a "ra ra Oneworld rules the world" contest. Not everything in here is about who is bigger/better/whatever. Forgive me for trying to have a little bit of fun.  
Quoting laca773 (Reply 22):
How does S7 outshine SU? S7's fleet is definitely far from being new. SU has a very young, modern Airbus fleet while on the other hand, S7 has a hodge podge fleet with what becomes available on the market? They definitely do not have the same stream lined operating efficency SU has.

Yeah I'm confused over that too. Putting aside that matters of service are generally highly subjective and open to debate, AI vs IT is one thing, but I'm not really sure how S7's service is far superior to SU (I haven't flown either, just going off of what I've heard from those who have used the airlines). Skytrax has SU listed as a 3 star airline and S7 as a 2 star carrier.



[Edited 2010-04-09 00:24:59]


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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7250 times:
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Quoting OA412 (Reply 23):
Yeah I'm confused over that too. Putting aside that matters of service are generally highly subjective and open to debate, AI vs IT is one thing, but I'm not really sure how S7's service is far superior to SU (I haven't flown either, just going off of what I've heard from those who have used the airlines). Skytrax has SU listed as a 3 star airline and S7 as a 2 star carrier.

Thanks, OA412. S7 is barely a 2 star carrier. SU has made many improvments and strides in their customer service and inflight service.


25 Post contains links and images mah4546 : I didn't. I was simply pointing out that they are the largest domestic airlines in their respective countries. The average age is 7.5 years. I'd say
26 Post contains images laca773 : Thanks for the numbers, Mark. I would never have known. I think many assume SU is the largest Russian Airline and by this, they clearly are not. It s
27 Post contains links DFWEagle : In an interview at the conference yesterday, JAL president Onishi did say that JAL was considering moving terminals in LHR, JFK, ORD and LAX to co-lo
28 EnviroTO : There is a serious gate shortage in both T4 and TBIT. A post-security walkway between the two terminals would be a nice improvement. I can't see how t
29 laca773 : I've wondered the same thing for quite sometime now. It's too bad, AA doesn't have a 762ER to use on JFK-BUD which basically would be a change of car
30 Post contains images deltal1011man : Really? nah, I guess that is that good old logic again here we go......
31 david_itl : Why would they even bother with STN...no routes from BA there? LGW is more of a point-to-point operation for BA but would AA want to reopen a closed
32 JAL : Perhaps more cooperation between the OneWorld partners???
33 mah4546 : Correct, logic. You are catching on. Here we go what? Do you want to debate that LAX is not an important oneWorld hub? If there was a SkyTeam press c
34 Bartond : Nothing mentioning that JAL is going to eventually take one of AA's flights NRT-DFW and send a 773 to DFW? I'll continue to be a wishful thinker...
35 mah4546 : Since JAL and AA do not have ATI yet, they cannot talk about any specific plans to coordinate.
36 Jacobin777 : My major concern with IT is their debt and debt servicing. T-3 @ ORD would be interesting as only IB is served out of T-3 @ ORD. Personally, I would
37 EnviroTO : With DL moved out of the L gates at ORD maybe there is more opportunity to consolidate but with customs facilities only at T-5 it must increase turn a
38 jfk777 : Seems to be a problem at certain US airports, Boston's Logan is another example of only one FIS station at Terminal E. Delta could use one in termina
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