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AC Reminder Of Increased YYZ-Calif Service  
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5340 posts, RR: 15
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

I don't know if any of the service additions mentioned in today's AC press release
http://micro.newswire.ca/release.cgi...4088620&view=13213-0&Start=0&htm=0
are new announcements or just a summary of news that they've already released, but there's little doubt that it was done for the benefit of Virgin America, expected to announce SFO/LAX-YYZ service very soon.

Highlights of AC's pr are:
>the launch, today, of daily (year-round) YYZ-SNA service;
>the addition of a 5th YYZ-SFO flight on 6/1;
>the u/g of one r/t YYZ-LAX to a 763 starting 6/1;
>new (resumed) daily and year-round service between YYZ and SAN on 6/17.

(They are also going to start YYZ-PDX but today's pr was only about California's 51% capacity increase this summer.)

Certainly not unexpected but it looks like the Maple Leaf is not taking any chances as they prepare for new competition on some key trans-border routes...

bb

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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

Its good to see AC beef up their transborder routes especially to CA. Ive always love California, been there 10 times mostly in the greater LA area. I was hoping for more new destinations for AC, like to see them open up new destinations and routes to USA.

User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

It would be good to see more competition on these YYZ-Calif.

Perhaps AC is beefing up its presence to thwart Virgin America's expected entry in YYZ-LAX/SFO.

I wish AA would go back to 2x daily YYZ-LAX.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2844 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3990 times:

Amazing to think that AC is such a big player in the Canada-California market, yet it has only consistently served SFO and LAX over the years! Nice to see both SAN and SNA getting flights - hopefully they are here to stay. Once California's economic recovery is in full swing, maybe we'll see AC return to SMF and/or SJC. I also think PSP and maybe even OAK (serve those wealthy East Bay fliers!) would do well. It's just too bad that BUR can't take int'l flights - the studios would love to be able to fly right up to YVR from their own backyard!


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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3867 times:
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Thanks for the hightlights, SanFan.
It's been a long time since AC had a regularly scheduled 767 out of LAX-many years with the exception of the holidays or an a/c sub.. I remember the days of flying on the 762s on both LAX/SFO-YYZ and back.


User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

Although not in California, it's worth mentioning that AC will also be starting service between Toronto and Portland, OR this summer. Looks like they have the YYZ-West coast market pretty much covered.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5340 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 5):
Although not in California, it's worth mentioning that AC will also be starting service between Toronto and Portland, OR this summer. Looks like they have the YYZ-West coast market pretty much covered

Ummm, I too thought it worth mentioning (in my OP...)

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
(They are also going to start YYZ-PDX but today's pr was only about California's 51% capacity increase this summer.)

They are also starting new YYZ-service from a few other cities not in the western US.

bb


User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

D'OH!!!!!

That's what happens when I skim over the post, and don't read it in detail.   

Those other cities you mention are PWM (the OTHER Portland, in Maine), CVG, MEM, and SYR.


User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2844 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 7):
CVG, MEM, and SYR.

Not quite as newsworthy and glamorous as California though, I'm afraid!



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User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 8):
Not quite as newsworthy and glamorous as California though, I'm afraid!

Perhaps not, but quite interesting nonetheless. CVG and MEM were pretty much fortress hubs for DL and NW respectively.. I guess AC is counting on much less hub-like behavior there, and is attemping a go at it. Time will tell.


User currently offlinepgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 794 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 8):
Not quite as newsworthy and glamorous as California though, I'm afraid!

Wow   


User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 8):
Not quite as newsworthy and glamorous as California though, I'm afraid!

Don't complain!!! They (MEM and CVG) have a Bob Evans and a Shoney's within walking distance, no matter where you are. Not sure about "Fatty Fat's Sandwich Ranch", however. (fans of 30 Rock will understand that one).


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 2):
Perhaps AC is beefing up its presence to thwart Virgin America's expected entry in YYZ-LAX/SFO.

To the cynic it probably is doing that but I think AC announced this before Virgin America announced that they would be serving YYZ. Also YYZ-SAN service has been on and off for the better part if a decade.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 2):
I wish AA would go back to 2x daily YYZ-LAX.

The business traffic for this route is pretty one sided from YYZ-LAX which is one of the reasons AC dominates the route as well as now having the superior in flight product.

Also the AA flight exists mainly to serve QF's needs of taking people back and forth from Australia and the times of the flight reflect that.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 2):
It would be good to see more competition on these YYZ-Calif.

It would and hopefully Virgin America can sustain the route and will have a following, also I'm surprised WS hasn't entered this market from YYZ yet.

Things possibly making the route stick is an an code share agreement with WS on these routes giving pax out east an alternative besides AC (not likely though because WS is in talks with DL and skyteam). Or VX can team up with VA to increase competition on the YYZ-Australia market and steal some of QF and UA's stranglehold on it because VA has a following.

That being said there are some choices for people that can go to BUF or DTW that can be seen as legitimate competition.

However competition from US legacies is kind of hard because at both LAX and SFO UA has a large presence and they simply can code share with AC on all of these flights.



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 12):

Also the AA flight exists mainly to serve QF's needs of taking people back and forth from Australia and the times of the flight reflect that.

It - like LAX-BNA - mainly exists because of entertainment industry contracts.

Want to meet a celeb or Hollywood big shot? Get an F seat on AA 1586, it's a guarantee.

[Edited 2010-04-10 14:09:25]


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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 13):
It - like LAX-BNA - mainly exists because of entertainment industry contracts.

Want to meet a celeb or Hollywood big shot? Get an F seat on AA 1586, it's a guarantee.

I did forget about that but I also figured that AC gobbles up a lot of that too especially through UA and other *A code shares.

Duely noted on meeting a celebrity on the AA flight. Next time I am down in socal way or am headed/returing from down under I'll keep that in mind  



Engineers Rule The World!!!!!
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24785 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 12):
also I'm surprised WS hasn't entered this market from YYZ yet.

They did, then dropped it.

We also had Jetsgo, and Canada 3000 in the past and way back Wardair with A310s.



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 14):
I did forget about that but I also figured that AC gobbles up a lot of that too especially through UA and other *A code shares.

Most major studios and agencies have contracts with American Airlines (make no mistake, United has plenty, but nowhere near what AA has). In order to capture traffic that would otherwise flow to other airlines due to a "non-stop clause," (a studio can take a non-AA flight if another carrier operates a non-stop) AA keeps a token presence in LAX-BNA.

Although there is certainly no denying Qantas helps fill that flight. I bet Qantas and the entertainment contracts are what keep that flight healthy.

[Edited 2010-04-10 14:24:13]


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5340 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 12):
To the cynic it probably is doing that but I think AC announced this before Virgin America announced that they would be serving YYZ.

   The original AC announcement of all the new U.S. flights from YYZ was released on Jan 27:
http://micro.newswire.ca/release.cgi...1274168&view=13213-0&Start=0&htm=0
In my OP, I was suggesting that this latest press release (on April 8) was a shot across VX's bow since Virgin is expected to announce their YYZ-service any day now. (It is also possible that back in January AC might have strongly suspected that VX would announce YYZ this year.)

Also, as the title of this thread implies, the latest PR by AC was a "reminder" to everyone about how much service they have between California and Toronto, including n/s service to OTHER Calif cities that will NOT see n/s service from Virgin -- SAN and SNA!

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 12):
Also YYZ-SAN service has been on and off for the better part if a decade.

The major difference, this time, being the timing of the flights -- 7:20am departure from Lindbergh Field and a 5:25pm w/b departure from Pearson. This timing was not possible for the last few attempts at the service.

bb


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 12):
also I'm surprised WS hasn't entered this market from YYZ yet.

They did, then dropped it.

We also had Jetsgo, and Canada 3000 in the past and way back Wardair with A310s.

AS also operated LAX-YYZ with MD-80s for a while in the 1990s. Didn't last long, a few months or so before they gave up.

I believe Wardair's service on that route was charter only.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24785 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):
I believe Wardair's service on that route was charter only.

No its was schedules similar to some WD routes to Europe.

For charters, we've had others over the years such as Skyservice for instance.

Then El Al also operated between YYZ-LAX for a few years, with local traffic rights.



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