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2010 1st Quarter Widebody Deliveries  
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6938 posts, RR: 63
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

Now that both Airbus and Boeing have confirmed their 1st Quarter widebody deliveries we can see how the year is shaping up.

No great surprises so far.

Widebody deliveries January to March were 44, just one down from 2009 (45) and five down from 2008 (49). Airbus and Boeing each delivered 22.

In terms of families, the deliveries were:

777 19
A330 18
A380 3
767 3
A340 1

In terms of models:

A330-300 12
777-300ER 9
777F 6
A330-200 6
A330-800 3
777-200LR 3
767-300F 2
767-300ER 1
777-200ER 1
A340-600 1

In terms of engines:

23 had GE
17 had RR
2 had PW
2 had EA

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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

Airbus only delivered 3 A380's. That's not alot.

I wonder what the score would be in value. The 9 B777-300ER deliveries might probably give Boeing an edge.

I did some calculation of average list prices and came up with this (in million $US):

Boeing
B763F: 160,5 x 2 = 321
B763ER: 153 x 1 = 153
B777f: 256,5 x 6 = 1.539
B772ER: 218,25 x 1 = 218,25
B772LR: 250,5 x 3 = 751,5
B773ER x 271,75 x 9 = 2.445,75

Total 22 frames = 5.428,5


Airbus
A332: 185,85 x 6 = 1.115,1
A333: 200,8 x 12 = 2.409,6
A346: 254,4 x 1 = 254,4
A380: 327,35 x 3 = 982,05

Total 22 frames = 4.761,15


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2759 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2884 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 1):
Airbus only delivered 3 A380's. That's not alot.

True, but it's still as planned by Airbus. A spokesman stated at the end of last year that Airbus will deliver one per month until middle of 2010 and from then on two per months. Under normal conditions we would have seen another delivery in Q1 of 2010 but MSN 051 for SQ is still waiting for some seats due to the well-known problems of the manufacturer.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6938 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
A330-800 3

Oops.   

For me, one of the most interesting things is how A & B remain so closely neck-and-neck.

First three months of 2010 was 22 vs. 22 / 19 x 777 vs. 18 x A330 (add in the one A340 and it's 19 vs. 19).

Over the past four years Boeing have delivered 51% of widebodies and Airbus 49%. You can't get much closer than that!


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
For me, one of the most interesting things is how A & B remain so closely neck-and-neck.

Reality turns out to be startlingly different from some so-confident predictions, no names no packdrill.   

At least if the 380 is being delayed by seats that seems a more manageable problem - you would hope. They had best get their 2 a month going real soon now, and not the way that MS does this!   


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6938 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 4):
Reality turns out to be startlingly different from some so-confident predictions

Ah, remember those crocodile tears? "The A350XWB is all very well but however will Airbus last that long? There will be no demand for their widebodies by 2010...!"

I'll tell you something else.

Prefaced by the usual "Lies, damned lies, and statistics" caveat, get this:

If you believe that the A330 and A340 are one family and that their mission (which they did choose to accept) was to take on the 777 (which, yes, I know, technically came a little later    ) then over the 48 months of 2006-2009 Boeing delivered 297 777s and Airbus delivered 336 A330/A340s.

And if you are not of that faith and prefer to leave the A340s out of it, then it's 297 777s to 278 A330s - a difference of nine frames over four years.

My point (before I disappear beneath an enraged scrum of partisans from either side) is not that A is better than B is better than A, blah, blah, blah but...

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
For me, one of the most interesting things is how A & B remain so closely neck-and-neck.


User currently offlineCFBFrame From United States of America, joined May 2009, 531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

Did AF get their first A380 at the end of 2009?

I like the A330 and am impressed with its number of lives; first it had to fight against the 2 vs 4 and then end up being the driving force for killing the A340. Then it has had to fight the A350, and from the numbers it looks like it's beaten that program back as well (per the comments from another recent post in another thread). I tried to put it on life support but people were fighting to keep the program alive. Maybe we can get GE to re-engine the A330, right Leahy? I bet GE bites on that option because it's got to have 7 more lives!!!!!

The profitability number is even larger in Boeing's favor when you take in to consideration the exchange rate.

Delivery distribution changes next year when 787 deliveries begin.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6938 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

Quoting CFBFrame (Reply 6):
Did AF get their first A380 at the end of 2009?

Yes, at the end of October.

Quoting CFBFrame (Reply 6):
I tried to put it on life support but people were fighting to keep the program alive.

LOL! You suggested that the A330-200 might be on life support and I, among others, expressed a somewhat different view. But, fair's fair, I don't dispute that the -200 is being eclipsed by the much improved -300 (which was also one of your points). In fact, I suggested a year or so ago that sales of the -300 might eventually exceed sales of the -200. I was the one being shot down on that occasion but I still suggest it's a possibility. Many A330 customers have scaled up; rather few have scaled down.


User currently offlineCFBFrame From United States of America, joined May 2009, 531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 7):
LOL!

I knew great minds can work together for a common good!!!! And!!! It can be done without creating an A vs B flameout!!! Much respect PM!!!! We did something so uncommon on A.Net!!


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