c5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7016 times:
Not Ryanair of Europe, but Ryan International Airlines, it looks like a DC-10 is headed from VCV to ATL under "Ryan Aviation Corp" on flightaware. Anyone have any insight on this? Is this a former NW DC-10?
TZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1420 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6985 times:
Quoting c5load (Thread starter): Not Ryanair of Europe, but Ryan International Airlines, it looks like a DC-10 is headed from VCV to ATL under "Ryan Aviation Corp" on flightaware. Anyone have any insight on this? Is this a former NW DC-10?
Very doubtful. Its most likely a sub-service for Ryan operated by Omni. By the way, all of the stored ex-NW DC-10s are gone except three that were last operated by ATA that are in MZJ. No ex-NWA DC-10s were ever stored in VCV either.
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c5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6930 times:
Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 1): Its most likely a sub-service for Ryan operated by Omni.
But wouldn't it state that it's being operated by Omni Corp. if it was being flown by Omni? On a side note, when you say that all of the NW DC-10s are gone, do you mean scrapped or with new operators? IIRC, weren't some of them sold to FX?
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BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14348 posts, RR: 26 Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6839 times:
FX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6414 times:
Quoting c5load (Reply 2): IIRC, weren't some of them sold to FX?
I very much highly doubt that NW sold any DC10's to FX since FX has retired ALL DC10's and just kept the MD10's.
A charter would be under Omni's callsign, but probably wouldn't if it were a wet lease.
If I had to guess it could be an error by Flight Aware or it could be a World DC10 on wet lease to Ryan since it is going to ATL. I will have to check the Flight Strip when I get to work in the morning to see if it is truly a Ryan flight or just an error.
TZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1420 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6243 times:
Quoting c5load (Reply 2): On a side note, when you say that all of the NW DC-10s are gone, do you mean scrapped or with new operators? IIRC, weren't some of them sold to FX?
Quoting FX1816 (Reply 4): I very much highly doubt that NW sold any DC10's to FX since FX has retired ALL DC10's and just kept the MD10's.
I mean both scrapped and new operators and no ex-NW DC-10s went to FX. The dissemination of the NWA -30 fleet was a combination of scrapped at MZJ and the remaining portions sold to ATA and Omni. Omni subsequently scrapped some of those they purchased in TUL and still operate the remaining. ATA transferred three of their nine to World which still operates them (N136, 137, 138WA). ATA operated 4 (N701, 702, 705, 706TZ). N701TZ went to World as N139WA and was DBR in BWI last year. N702, 705 and 706TZ are stored in MZJ and the last two N223 and 224NW were scrapped last year I believe.
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3): A charter would be under Omni's callsign, but probably wouldn't if it were a wet lease.
A short term dry lease or sub-service could be under Ryan's call sign.
Quoting FX1816 (Reply 4): If I had to guess it could be an error by Flight Aware or it could be a World DC10 on wet lease to Ryan since it is going to ATL. I will have to check the Flight Strip when I get to work in the morning to see if it is truly a Ryan flight or just an error.
Its either an error also yes, but if not its Omni as they have the ATL gateway part of the AMC flights even though World is based there.
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rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6150 posts, RR: 25 Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5584 times:
Quoting c5load (Reply 2): Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 1):
Its most likely a sub-service for Ryan operated by Omni.
But wouldn't it state that it's being operated by Omni Corp.
If it is going to ATL for upgrade, refresh, repaint - then Ryan is the parent company it would be normal to be operated under the parent company until the aircraft is actually transferred to Omni's operational fleet.
wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4557 posts, RR: 16 Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5532 times:
Here's the skinny:
There were a bunch of movements from Hunter AFB to VCV over the past few days. They were accomplished with 3 widebodies flying under the Ryan callsign and 2 narrowbodies from Sun Country.
On Sunday, after dropping their pax, the Sun Country birds went home to MSP, the Ryan 767s went home to RFD, and the DC10 went back to ATL. This morning, the Ryan 767 came back to Hunter to take another load of troops to VCV. A World DC10 also came in from ATL, to take troops up to Hampton, VA.
TZTriStar has it right: Ryan doubtless had the SVN-VCV mission for 3 widebodies, and for some reason couldn't make that third one available, and so hired an approved contractor to provide a crewed aircraft. Such subservice would be flown under the Ryan callsign. (If the mission had been pitched back to the AMC to find someone else to handle it, then it would have been flown under the callsign of whomever AMC hired as a replacement; but there are consequences for making the customer take care of finding someone else, so it is better for YOU to arrange for someone else to do the job; in this case, the Customer in any event has to approve the substituted carrier, but it doesn't count against you the way dumping the mission back on the customer would.)
There are exactly two options with respect to the identity of the carrier furnishing the DC10, because there are only two DoD-certified contractor airlines that fly the passenger DC10: World or Omni. It was one or the other.
wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4557 posts, RR: 16 Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5462 times:
This kind of thread pops up from time-to-time. It shows that a.nutters are...er...detail-oriented viewers of Flightaware.
We used to see this all the time when North American would help out jetBlue during irregular ops. Someone would see a "JetBlue" 757 on Flightaware and freak out, starting some wild speculative thread. Then there would be all sorts of similarly...er..."curious" posts from folks. For example, folks that were convinced that if NAO operated the flight, it HAD to be flown as NAOXXX rather than JBUXXX.
Which is totally and completely wrong.
Anyway, case closed as far as this one goes. Flip a coin as to whose a/c it was. Or go look on ACARS.
wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4557 posts, RR: 16 Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5291 times:
Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 9): Amazing, I deal with it daily, and it was better explained by you than anyone else I've heard it from on the job.
Ohhhhhhhh! You're so nice. I'm blushing. Thanks for the nice thought! Made my day.
One other thing that may be worth adding:
Sometimes, aircraft that will be used for subservice will fly to the point of origin (deadheading) using their own carrier's callsign, then out on the subservice using the callsign of the carrier for whom they are operating. However, here the military is going to pay Ryan for three legs: the deadhead into SVN, the leg from SVN to VCV, and the (presumably) deadhead from VCV to home or the next mission. For that reason, the flight will likely operate as a RYNxxxx for all 3 of those legs.
So to continue my jetBlue example from earlier, if North American is going to furnish a 757 to jetBlue for a run from Fort Lauderdale to JFK, you could see it go into FLL as NAOxxx and out at JBUxxx. (Of couse, the reason that JBU used NAO for a while was that NAO is based at JFK and the a/c doesn't have to fly in from anywhere for a flight starting at JFK, so my example is sort of a made-up one, but you can follow the point.) But here, its RYNxxxx for all three legs.
wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4557 posts, RR: 16 Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2977 times:
Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 5): Its either an error also yes, but if not its Omni as they have the ATL gateway part of the AMC flights even though World is based there.
DING! DING! DING! TZTriStar wins the challenge!
Since this was actually sticking in my head today, in an act of unimaginable and unconfessable geek-dom, I pulled up the ACARS records of all DC10 movements on the 11th and looked for Ryan flights.
I know. Get a life.
In any event, Ryan 7309 (the one mentioned) and Ryan 2033 (the active flight to VCV from Hunter) were flown by N108AX.
jetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1198 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2607 times:
Does anyone know if Omni has certain DC10s that are used for AMC runs? I only see a select number of airplanes on BWI-RMS, for example N810AX seems to show up here quite a bit.
Quoting jetblast (Reply 12): Does anyone know if Omni has certain DC10s that are used for AMC runs? I only see a select number of airplanes on BWI-RMS, for example N810AX seems to show up here quite a bit.
Everything in their fleet. BWI-RMS is a scheduled service and likely stays on one tail to minimize problems, and reduce ferry movements.
wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4557 posts, RR: 16 Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2314 times:
Quoting jetblast (Reply 12): Does anyone know if Omni has certain DC10s that are used for AMC runs? I only see a select number of airplanes on BWI-RMS, for example N810AX seems to show up here quite a bit.
108, 531, 522 and 621 have all been doing Reach flights (AMC) in April, as have the 767s.
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