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If It All Went Wrong...Who Would You Want?  
User currently offlineTWA717_200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

First of all, I'm not looking to start a flight crew versus A&P war here...I've seen them before.

But consider this scenario: Your at cruise altitude and it ALL goes wrong (IE UAL 232).

Who would you rather have on the flight deck with you? Your F.O. or an A&P? Who knows their plane better?

PS...Note the circumstance that I put forward before jumping to your answer.

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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5092 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

My F.O. of course!


Work Hard But Play Harder
User currently offlineTWA717_200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1622 times:

JAL, I wish you could provide an explanation of your answer. Considering that you are in the 21-25 year old age bracket, I find it hard for you to have a F.O. in the first place.

I really want some professional answers here.


User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

I to would want an F.O. An A&P knows everything about the aircraft on the ground. The F.O. knows everything about the aircraft in the air. Pilots are trained to handle these scenarios, which the crew of 232 did. If I recall correctly, and don't take this as a statment that pilots are superior, but the mechanics had knoiw idea what to do because it never happened before.

User currently offlineBuff From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1601 times:

Given the choice, as there is one of each on board, I'll use 'em both!

Best Regards,

Buff


User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5092 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1592 times:

I would prefer to have a FO on the flight deck in case of an emergency coz as pilots they're train for any emergencies that might happen during the flight.


I sure do hope this satisfy you, TWA717_200.



Work Hard But Play Harder
User currently offlineNWA CRJ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

Definitely the F.O. He knows the plane much better.

User currently offlineTwotterwrench From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

The F.O. knows the plane much better? God help me my sides are splitting from the peals of laughter bellowing out of me. The FO is often the source of the worst advice... going to ground school does not teach you how the airplane REALLY works, it teaches you how it is supposed to work. Nothing teaches you like pulling your hair out all night trying to figure out why the Low Pressure warning light won't go out or troubleshooting a bypass system down to its nuts and bolts. The FO can recite the rhetoric, the AMT can tell you what is really going on. Given a choice, I would take both. The more the merrier, but don't ever discount what the AMT knows about your airplane. I GUARANTEE he knows it better than the flight crew does. Saying otherwise NWA, just shows you are too young and inexperienced to answer this question.

User currently offlineBen88 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1093 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

If I were an experienced captain, I would take the A&P. My experience plus his knowledge of systems would be the best combination.

User currently offline737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1555 times:

Bravo, Twotterwrench!!!

That post just put you on my Respected Users list...



Patrick Bateman is my hero.
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1553 times:

Personally, I'd pick a priest.

User currently offlineCOboeing777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 693 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

the FO knows that something is wrong...

the A&P knows WHY it went wrong...


User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

My FO in the cockpit and an A&P, no - the entire maintenance department, if necessary on the flight phone. One guy needs to fly the airplane, the other guy needs to run the checklists - we'll get the airplane on the ground then let the mechanics troubleshoot the dang problem after we've landed. Mechanics are great people, we couldn't fly without them but they do their best work on the ground.

User currently offline242 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

I really didn't want to reply to a loaded question like this one, but here goes:

>>But consider this scenario: Your at cruise altitude and it ALL goes wrong (IE UAL 232).

Who would you rather have on the flight deck with you? Your F.O. or an A&P? Who knows their plane better? <<

The F/O. He (or she) is trained for in-flight emergency procedures in regards to the operational safety of the aircraft.

The A&P may have a better overall picture of the entire aircraft and its systems, but the pilots are going to know the best way to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece.

>>Definitely the F.O. He knows the plane much better.<<

I had to chuckle at this one. Reminds me of a situation a few years ago where a newby F/O was doing his preflight and found a clear fluid leaking out of the belly at two locations. Thinking it was fuel, and wanting to play hero of the day, he wrote it up in the book and called it in to MTC control. As the call from MTC control came in to one of my co-workers, it interested me to go out and take a look, as well as one of the MTC supervisors.

To make a long story short, the fluid was condensation from the AC packs, normal operation. The captain showed up right after we did, sized up the situation and took his Flap Operator aside and proceded chew some serious ass.

Once the tongue lashing was complete, the very embarrassed captain thanked us for coming out. We signed the log the best we could without making anyone look stupid, and left.

We laughed about that one for months.








User currently offlineBA FOREVER From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1512 times:

I think I would want my mummy!

User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

there used to be a guy like an A&P on=board he was an aircraft systems specialist, he was called a professional flight engineer and the airlines in their great wisdom and greed eliminated that safety feature.


"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineFeret From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

Galaxy5,

Two words in reply - I agree!

Cheers.


User currently offlineLGB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

a professional flight engineer and the airlines in their great wisdom and greed eliminated that safety feature

What percentage of crashes would likely never have occured had a flight engineer been present in the cockpit? Can you give some specific examples?

Lars


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1488 times:

Two words....


Joe Patroni!



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

well, i once saved an aircraft as a flight engineer. it was a IMC flight to do an AR we where passing through a freezing lvl at about 110 when the pilots and copilots VSFI and FD went haywire the airspeeds dropped to zero and the autopilot aggressively pitched up and down. the pilots where at a loss and aircraft control was comprimised. i then reached up above the copilots head and turn on the pitot and AOA heaters ( which the pilots forgot to turn on even though it was called for in the checklist and the responed to it saying they where on ) they had no idea what was wrong and where starting to panic for about 30 seconds. now you tell me did i save the crew from iminent death, i dont know but i did help turn a situation around that could have had dire consequences.


"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

I would say that they owe you more then a couple of drinks!


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineGolfhaus From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

I have to wonder... if there's a problem in the wing, the A&P can fix it... but how the heck is he going to do that at 32,000 feet? It's a bit windy up there, his tools might blow around a little.  Smile

User currently offlineMiller22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 720 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

I would rather be in a 727 with my FO and FE. If you're flying a 727, you know everything about that airplane. A & P's are much more critical with todays aircraft where something goes wrong and the pilots have no clue. However, a 727 pilot knows everything he needs to know to fly the airplane regardless of what happens. Thats the way they train them.

User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

well, i once saved an aircraft as a flight engineer. it was a IMC flight to do an AR we where passing through a freezing lvl at about 110 when the pilots and copilots VSFI and FD went haywire the airspeeds dropped to zero and the autopilot aggressively pitched up and down. the pilots where at a loss and aircraft control was comprimised. i then reached up above the copilots head and turn on the pitot and AOA heaters ( which the pilots forgot to turn on even though it was called for in the checklist and the responed to it saying they where on ) they had no idea what was wrong and where starting to panic for about 30 seconds. now you tell me did i save the crew from iminent death, i dont know but i did help turn a situation around that could have had dire consequences.

Save it for the bar, ace.



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1438 times:

hey DeltaSFO, whats wrong are you jealous. or do you make mistakes like that youself all the time.


"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
25 B747-437B : Dude - watch what you say about DeltaSFO. He has single handedly saved N866DA from a rather watery problem at MCO once.
26 Twotterwrench : B747 - how does a CSA save an aiplane from anything??? More glory stories for the bar I suppose...
27 JAT : 242, Wouldn't leaking fuel give off a scent? I'm sure fuel and condensation don't smell the same.
28 777kicksass : OK I don't know what an A&P is!! Maybe then I could answer
29 HeavyJet : >>well, i once saved an aircraft as a flight engineer. it was a IMC flight to do an AR we where passing through a freezing lvl at about 110 when the p
30 Galaxy5 : um let me see. it was called out in the checklist. the pilot responded that they where on. so that being said i assumed they where on ( being a flight
31 Galaxy5 : this is exactly why i dont post about my job on here. to many butt wipes who dont know what the hell they are talking about, try to ridicule and make
32 HeavyJet : >>so that being said i assumed they where on..>to many butt wipes who dont know what the hell they are talking about, try to ridicule and make themsel
33 242 : >>>242, Wouldn't leaking fuel give off a scent? I'm sure fuel and condensation don't smell the same.
34 TWA717_200 : Thanks for your answers, all.
35 DC-9CAPT : There's an old saying: (1). Aviate, (2). navigate, (3). communicate. Those three things must be strictly adhered to when an emergency arises, and divi
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