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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24631 posts, RR: 86
Posted (4 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 23526 times:
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The announcement has been made - Frontier/Midwest is to become Frontier, the zoo with cookies.

Looking back on it all, it is standard BB obvious - from dropping the Midwest AOC to putting all the staff on the Frontier payroll, there's a long list of clues.

What is remarkable is the amount of free publicity this name issue has generated. A Milwaukee TV reporter referred to it yesterday as "a closely guided secret" and then corrected himself to "a closely guarded secret."

I think he got it right first time = a guided secret.

There are a number of unanswered questions, but I have no doubt they will be answered in due course.



Make room for a mengerie of new critters, starting with the badger.  

mariner


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User currently offlineSeatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 23505 times:

I'm assuming they are sticking with the Republic holding company name.

Also, when will they begin seniority list integration, or will the Midwest routes be flown by Republic pilots/FA's similar to American Eagle?

I'm also curious to know when they'll completely close the Denver and MKE admin offices.

I'm very happy Frontier is the remaining brand. Milwaukeans will love the animals.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3171 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 23405 times:

Those are some interesting questions . . . that have no answers.

How do Republic regional pilots get integrated with F9 pilots? Do they? Where do Midwest pilots fit in? Republic is flying old Midwest routes with RJs and 190s. Is there a mainline/regional split? Where does the 190 fit?

Lot's of interesting stuff ahead in terms of pilot integration.


User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1850 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 23409 times:

here's the link to the press release:

http://frontierair.tekgroupweb.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5185

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little disappointed, I'll miss the Midwest brand.


User currently offlineboydatageek From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 23322 times:

Moved comments to this thread. Didn't see it was open.

" Quoting boydatageek (Reply 212):
Overall, I think BB got to about 85% of where he needed it go"

After looking at the TV ads and Coverage, I take this back. I think its only 65% if that!

This has the feel of a "takeover" instead of a "brand marriage" The "1" graphics on the Coors Field was what was needed. The narative of the Midwest story ad does not convey that this is 50% of the DNA of the new carrier, etc. All in all - Execution - Poor.


" Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 235):
Well, the Journal Sentinel is running a poll asking what people think of the Midwest brand being retired, and with
over two-thousand replies its awfully close.

48% - The name doesn't really matter; service and low fares count more

52% - It's a big blow to Milwaukee's identity

Total Responses: 2366 "

Notice the strong wording 52% say it is a big blow to MILWAUKEE's identity, not Midwest AIrlines identity. Either BB didn't understand the magnitude, or his execution people, ad agency didn't know how to deal with it.

Some comments that more that 50% of the combined brand management is YX'ers or something like that might have helped.

Humor that would have been useful, "With a Badger on the tail, we hope to expand our base in Madison, we wanted to do something similar for Milwaukee, but we haven't yet found how a Warrior would fit the tail theme."


User currently onlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2715 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 23219 times:

It's pretty much what I expected. Frontier was clearly the stronger brand, and throwing it away didn't make sense. As a gesture to Wisconsin though, I'd hoped that a badger would find its way onto a tail soon. I'm pleasantly surprised to see it happen.

Can we put a cheesehead on the next one?  



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3635 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 23186 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 3):
here's the link to the press release:

http://frontierair.tekgroupweb.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5185

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little disappointed, I'll miss the Midwest brand.

I'll miss the Midwest brand, too, especially since I never got to fly them in their heyday. But they should have chosen Frontier anyway... less regional. Anyway, the press release has the breakdown of new destinations this year: 10 from DEN, 5 from MKE. Just like on the F9 and YX websites.

Still, I wonder, if DL cancels their RAH contract due to violation of a non-compete clause, could we see even more cities? Just wondering...



I don't work for FWA, their tenants, or their ad agency. But I still love FWA.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5884 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 22851 times:

when do you think we will see a Nutria on the tail 


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User currently offlinelrdc9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 22790 times:

I am super-excited about the decision - though I will miss the YX brand dearly. I am most looking forward to seeing the F9 colors on the E135. In the YX colors it looks like a bizjet.


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User currently offlineMCI10 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 22623 times:

First it is AWESOME that Frontier will live on. Its a great day!
But I do feel sad for all the new F9 employees who put their heart and soul into Midwest and now the name will not live on. But I hope they realize they are part of something special that is happening. They have the chance to make the new Frontier bigger and better. Hope you enjoy the ride! I know I will.


User currently onlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1753 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 22621 times:
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I wonder what Animals are left. There's no way with the amount of E-Jets Midwest has that they can come up with critters for all of em. Unless they come up with some really ridiculous ones like:

Squirrels
Chipmunks (AAAAAAALVIN!!!)
Goldfish
Swordfish
Mice
Great Danes
Lions
Tigers
and the list goes on and on.


User currently offlineMCI10 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 22582 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 10):
I wonder what Animals are left. There's no way with the amount of E-Jets Midwest has that they can come up with critters for all of em. Unless they come up with some really ridiculous ones like:

Squirrels
Chipmunks (AAAAAAALVIN!!!)
Goldfish
Swordfish
Mice
Great Danes
Lions
Tigers
and the list goes on and on.

Also remember that for the 170s, we could use the baby animals. Like on the Lynx aircraft.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 22434 times:

It was obviously going to be Frontier or Republic, and I always leaned toward Frontier because it sounds lofty and isn't region specific. Space is the "final Frontier" but the sky was always seen as the last frontier. Republic sounds important and stately, but also somewhat political as well.

What may have tipped it was the branding. The animals are fun, the commercials with them are fun, and so Republic would need to keep the animals no matter what. So why not just keep the name Frontier as well?



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User currently offlineatomsareenough From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 566 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 22362 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 10):
I wonder what Animals are left. There's no way with the amount of E-Jets Midwest has that they can come up with critters for all of em. Unless they come up with some really ridiculous ones

I don't think they need to worry about running out of animals. Though, when you start seeing Petey The Platypus, Amy the Amoeba, Squishy the Squid, or Archie the Urchin, you'll know they're scraping the bottom of the barrel.


User currently onlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2715 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 22353 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 10):
I wonder what Animals are left. There's no way with the amount of E-Jets Midwest has that they can come up with critters for all of em.

First, they will have the Lynx tails to recycle. After that I'm sure there are still plenty of animals that could be added. Here's a few I'd like to see:

Roadrunner
Manatee
Alligator
Humpback Whale
Porcupine
Beaver

unlikely but I'd love to see it..........Rattlesnake (snakes on a plane!!!)



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User currently offlineMidway DC9-10 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 22116 times:

Does anyone know if any of the EMB-145s were ever painted in Midwest Colors?

User currently offlineMUWarriors From United States of America, joined May 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 22127 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 2):

How do Republic regional pilots get integrated with F9 pilots? Do they? Where do Midwest pilots fit in? Republic is flying old Midwest routes with RJs and 190s. Is there a mainline/regional split? Where does the 190 fit?

According to WISN (the ABC station here in Milwaukee:
"Because of fleet and union issues, Republic will continue to run what amounts to two different airlines under the Frontier name - the crews and planes that originally came from Frontier, and the Republic-operated jets that will now fly under the Frontier name."
http://www.wisn.com/news/23133893/detail.html
So it appears that, for the time being, the split is still F9 and Republic, it's just all flights will now be "Frontier flight XXX operated by Republic," instead of having some that are "Midwest flight XXX, operated by Republic." Operationally, for right now at least, it doesn't seem like all that much is changing, they are just dropping the Midwest brand.

Quoting boydatageek (Reply 4):
Humor that would have been useful, "With a Badger on the tail, we hope to expand our base in Madison, we wanted to do something similar for Milwaukee, but we haven't yet found how a Warrior would fit the tail theme."

Although they could do a Golden Eagle (mutters to self about stupid name)  . I doubt they do anything Marquette related, since AirTran is a huge sponsor of Marquette athletics, and the university as a whole. Maybe they'll throw a Panther on one.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 22052 times:

Quoting Midway DC9-10 (Reply 15):
Does anyone know if any of the EMB-145s were ever painted in Midwest Colors?

None that I know of. All the 145s were painted in generic white fuselage and blue tails so they could be easily switched between Republic contracts, like US or UA flying, then to YX flying.



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User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2401 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 21975 times:

Quoting boydatageek (Reply 4):
Notice the strong wording 52% say it is a big blow to MILWAUKEE's identity, not Midwest AIrlines identity. Either BB didn't understand the magnitude, or his execution people, ad agency didn't know how to deal with it.

Just for an update (and to move my post over from the old thread) its almost up to four-thousand replies now with the results relatively the same.

47% - The name doesn't really matter; service and low fares count more

53% - It's a big blow to Milwaukee's identity

Total Responses: 3807

http://www.jsonline.com/polls/907525...id=2&mr=1&cid=8500544&pid=90752594



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24631 posts, RR: 86
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 21924 times:
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Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 18):
Total Responses: 3807

It would be interesting to know how many are unique, individual votes. I've voted twice, just to find out the results.

I'm sure some others, negative and positive, have done the same.

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8867 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 21924 times:

Any idea as to what is happening to the Best Care Club at MKE? With CO having given up it's President's Club at DEN now, is it possible we might see F9 take it over, or just shutter the MKE lounge instead?

User currently offlineyx302 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 21810 times:

There were some announcements made off air that some of you guys are wondering about. Best care club will be extended to DEN. Iam guessing the old continental club? WIFI will be put on all ejets and possibly extened to all airbus. One thing iam wondering is about the fleet. Will there be more mixing of airbus in mke or will they still concentrate them to DEN and keep the Ejets mostly in MKE?

User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2817 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 21768 times:

Milwaukee's Best Care Club is being retained, and a Best Care Club is being added in Denver.

Also, the E145's all remained in the plan white and blue ex-United untitled colors. Only the E135's were painted as Midwest. I'm REALLY looking forward to getting new colors on those ugly E145's, and hopefully on some of the E170's in generic colors, too.


User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 21751 times:

Quoting atomsareenough (Reply 13):
I don't think they need to worry about running out of animals. Though, when you start seeing Petey The Platypus, Amy the Amoeba, Squishy the Squid, or Archie the Urchin, you'll know they're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I wouldn't mind seeing Amy the Amoeba, or perhaps Barney the Beer Drinking Animal.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24631 posts, RR: 86
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 21698 times:
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Quoting knope2001 (Reply 22):
Milwaukee's Best Care Club is being retained, and a Best Care Club is being added in Denver.

I think that despite all the hoopla what we got today was really the bare bones of it, if the most important bones.

There are a number of unanswered questions - AirFairs, eg - that I assume will come in the near future.

I see they now have the full interactive route map - including south of the border - on the Frontiermidwest site, but not yet on the actual airline websites.

http://www.frontiermidwest.com/weare1/mediakit/

There's a couple of anomalies in that, too. MCI-PVR is listed as returning this winter but isn't on the map. OKC-MCO/TPA, which aren't listed as returning yet, are on the map.

mariner



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25 mke717spotter : Yeah, you know it makes me laugh thinking back to Bedford's comments today at the news conference when he said "It's been a tough call" when he obvio
26 atomsareenough : Or at least Barney the Barnacle. I actually think it would be AWESOME if they started picking some outside-the-box kinds of animals.
27 sunking737 : Side note DEN has 30 min delays tonight due to high winds. The is per FlightAware.
28 Post contains links and images mariner : I'm not sure if it was necessarily carved in granite from the git-go, but I think possibility - or probability - of it was. I would guess one the tou
29 MKENut : The Wisconsin State Bird is the Robin... Maybe we'll see that on one of the tails. I vote we call it Rocky... I know, I am dating myself here. LOL
30 MCI10 : From what I heard AirFairs will stay around but I'm not 100% sure on that.
31 Post contains images norcal : Some were asking if the E-190s would be shifted to the F9 certificate in the last thread. For now the answer is No and here is why: 1. There is a lot
32 Post contains links and images elbandgeek : What's wrong with a platypus? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUfdpxMiB-4 That's good to know. Hopefully TV will end up on the EJets as well. If they
33 FL787 : AA is taking over the old Continental PC as part of their move to concourse A. However, at the same time, BA is closing their Terraces Lounge so they
34 Post contains links mrlineguy : Wisconsin Badger is the next tail! See www.frontiermidwest.com under the "fun stuff" tab. Also, the first Frontier E-190 is scheduled to arrive later
35 Post contains images Byrdluvs747 : Am I the only one who thinks the F9 tails look like billboards? The photos look like they were found during a Google image search and slapped onto an
36 Post contains links KLASM83 : Now every time I see that E-190, I'll think of this song. Good luck to the new entity, I'm glad the cookie is staying.
37 kiwiandrew : To you maybe , not necessarily to everyone else . I have to say that I like the F9 'look' ( but then I was always a fan of the BA worldtails which a
38 Post contains images Alias1024 : I thought I remembered there being one of those, but when I couldn't find it on Frontier's website I thought my mind was playing tricks on me. I real
39 OzarkD9S : I once posted a thread wondering if F9 was "prejudiced" against the un-cute of the animal world. Do a search if interested. Some un-cute possibilities
40 Post contains images kiwiandrew : Isn't there a risk it would spend half its time being chased along the runway by the Coyote ?
41 nws2002 : I actually prefer the photographs, but I guess that's a personal taste issue. The F9 tails look unique, and they stand out in among all the other air
42 Jetmatt777 : I imagine they will keep OKC-MCO/TPA on until they are finished flying it.s (5 days)
43 ERJ170 : I noticed one thing, RDU has the least amount of connections of almost all the stations. That ain't right!
44 Post contains links FRNT787 : http://denver.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2010/04/12/daily26.html You are indeed quite right. From the Article (A question/answer session with Bedf
45 mariner63 : I'll approve of this name change under one condition: 1. A cheeshead is on a tail. 2. A bottle of Miller is on a tail. 3. A Harley logo is on a tail.
46 F9Animal : I would really like to see a cow on the tail. Better yet, a bunch of cows in a gate area waiting to board a WN flight. How about this for an ad campai
47 Post contains images Alias1024 : I'd like to nominate this picture
48 batboy : What does that mean for MidWest service at DCA? Will there be more Frontier flights now every day at DCA?
49 n7371f : HIlarious!!!!
50 n7371f : WISN-TV is reporting that Frontier will be building a $2 million dollar maintenance hangar for the Airbus fleet at Mitchell. Is this the first we're h
51 sunking737 : I thought it was all in upgrades to the building with equipment and such. If they are adding on they may have gotten a better deal with MKE then DEN.
52 mariner : At $2 million, it sounds more like improvements. The hangar at COS was going to cost $25 million. mariner
53 NASCARAirforce : I remember hearing stuff that Frontier likes to use "cuddly" animals so kids don't get scared so its doubtful we will see snakes, gators etc. I have
54 yx302 : Theres no new facility being built. The 2 million is updating and modifications to the existing hangars. Most of which are complete, just waiting for
55 pilotfox : I think they got confused. As I understand it they are remodeling all the office space in the hanger and moving all the staff from the Midwest Headqua
56 NASCARAirforce : Some other animals they could add: Frontier as I said had a policy I heard about non scary animals, but I think some frogs and insects could be added:
57 Post contains images Alias1024 : It wouldn't surprise me. Scaring your customers would be a fairly poor business practice. Maybe they could get away with something like a baby alliga
58 web500sjc : There is already too many animals on frontier planes, some how manatee didn't say frontier to me. So I kinda wish there weren't so many of them unless
59 airfrnt : It's not 50%. It is about 30% of the combined new carrier. And yes, it is crucial to build the new identity as quickly as possible to minimize the "u
60 Post contains images rampart : Scaping the bottom of the food chain, you mean. All creatures great and small, and all that, it's only fair. I guess squid and platypus are more mid-
61 sideflare75 : Sorry but that is not true at all. I am and will remain a Republic employee who used to work for Midwest. We are not becoming Frontier.
62 Post contains links adamblang : Comparing the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources guide to animals that might wander into my back yard, children's edition with the list of Fron
63 YXwatcherMKE : Why do you say this?
64 Post contains links and images mke717spotter : Maybe they should also keep one of the E190s in YX colors kinda like US did with HP? I wish, but I don't think its going to happen. If you ask me, I t
65 boydatageek : The more I reflect on the anouncement, the more it becomes obvious. F9 needs to refocus on MCI, because yesterday BB did what I didn't think possible
66 Post contains images AirframeAS : Spike will be back. Mark my words. We are taking over that, I believe and making that the BCC. It's been blowing out here for two days now. Runway 25
67 Post contains images Airport : The more I think about it, the more it really wouldn't surprise me if N206FR wore a Robin on the tail, representing Wisconsin's State Bird. Even if th
68 mariner : From a marketing perspective, the simple beauty of the animal tails is that they are (a) cute and (b) interactive. Not for everyone, of course, there
69 airfrnt : If this is truly the mindset, then this merger will fail.
70 knope2001 : Sideflare is correct. Frontier is the branding name, and the front line employees who were Midwest prior to 1/1/10 are Frontier. New Midwest employee
71 RWFA : This is factually correct. I am a Flight Attendant employed by Republic Airlines, and while based in DEN I fly the frontier brand. If I were to trans
72 Post contains images MKENut : I like it.... Robins are tough birds, they do not migrate for the winter months. Although, I have never seen a robin in the winter months myself. How
73 congaboy : ...and the seemingly disjointed approach will cause F9 to eventually loose Denver to WN. I can only view this entire process as something confusing t
74 RWFA : The "Disjoineted" approach was when we were flying a Frontier flight on a Midwest painted plane, operated by Republic Airlines. That has now been fix
75 Coronado : Considering RAH presence in Indianapolis, what sort of critter is a Hoosier? Definitely need a tail with the wildest Wisconsin animal of all, the GB P
76 MostlyAir : We're only wearing F9 tags and on their payroll because Republic didn't have the system to handle the set of employees from YX. We all work for Repub
77 Post contains links knope2001 : I've scoured the response in the local media here in Milwaukee, and am pleasantly surprised at how positive the reception is in general. (1) There has
78 AirframeAS : You're still a F9 employee if you are wearing the F9 badge. Accept it. It is what it is. What's done is done. There is nothing you can do about it. Y
79 flyguy89 : I do have a question about the cookies. Do the Frontier aircraft actually have ovens to bake the cookies fresh onboard. I know here in SDF we handle t
80 AirframeAS : Yes, we do. Two of them in the fwd galley. They will be fresh baked.
81 MostlyAir : You misread what I was trying to say and I'm sorry if I did not fully explain my reasoning. I do support and fully embrace the F9 name and brand. I q
82 AirframeAS : I know I am not. I have accepted the fact that we now are owned by Republic. And I am totally fine with that. It does not bother me. Most people woul
83 Post contains links mke717spotter : For FL it must be a dream come true to have the YX name disappear from MKE. "AirTran Airways, Midwest’s main rival at Mitchell, is almost certain t
84 Oshkosh1 : Sad...I worked for Tim Hoeksma back in the early 80's at KC Aviation...Been flying Midex since it's inception. Still remember the "good ole' days" whe
85 airportguy1971 : Who do we work for? Alaska and Horizon are owned by Alaska Air Group. Do people work for Alaska or Horizon? Do they say I work the ticket counter for
86 F9Animal : I am not sure if you are sour about the chosen name, but I sure hope that you change your perspective! With behaviors like this, you will make your c
87 Post contains images AirframeAS : Well said, airportguy, well said! You also hit that on the nail! Better than I could ever say it, F9Animal!
88 Post contains links FL787 : No it really was FL: http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/03/29...outhwest.vs.airtran.ads/index.html See below:
89 airportguy1971 : Sideflare is not being sour. He works for the Rublic subsidary. He was former Midwest, now Republic. We're all part of the family, just different div
90 MostlyAir : It's great that you feel that way and have the same type of compassion that I will have supporting Frontier's marketing efforts. My goal is to get pe
91 Post contains links and images AirframeAS : Oh, really?? Wanna bet? Okay.... AirTran's Response To That WN Commercial (by ItalianFlyer Mar 26 2010 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4756798&search
92 AirframeAS : I'll believe it when I see it. Unless you have a valid, reliable source that you CAN post here??
93 airportguy1971 : FL787 is correct. I have also been told that the club we're getting in Denver will be the former BA club. The Persidents club is going to BA/AA.
94 Post contains links FL787 : How much? Besides the fact I know it was made by FL, your "source" only helps confirm it was made by FL: Never did I say it was airing anywhere but y
95 mariner : I think I hope it pans out that way. From memory, the BA Terraces lounge is in a better position than the old Continental lounge. Isn't it closer to
96 MQTmxguy : AMR is the same way (AA and Eagle both being subsidiaries). You would not believe how many stupid confused looks I have gotten from people when I say
97 Post contains images sunking737 : I know the cookie secret as far as baked on board. Even though I never worked for YX, ( I worked for SY Commissary) at one time SY catered YX 717 in M
98 USPIT10L : Same here. I went to MKE for training back in early November and filled out F9 paperwork from the beginning. So I've been F9 from the start, even whe
99 MostlyAir : No, there is no need to go on with this argument, just let me know when you get a different badge, and your employee number and pay check changes.
100 PlaneAdmirer : I think they are right next to each on the A concourse... If coming over the bridge from the main terminal, go straight rather than down the ramps. P
101 Post contains images mariner : Yes, that was the way to the old Continental lounge, but when BA moved they made a big to-do about being closer to the gates. mariner
102 Post contains images AirframeAS : I gave you a source, read reply #26 in that thread and the link that was provided. I shouldn't be doing your homework for you. You can do better than
103 Post contains links mariner : Then I guess they've moved. It always used to be that the Continental President's Lounge was directly facing as you came over the bridge. I walked in
104 AirframeAS : I agree. And we are quite overdue for a lounge! I have a few questions........ 1) 206 does not have its tail yet, as we know. However, the latest F9
105 Post contains links mariner : According to the prodruction list, yes. MSN4307: http://www.planespotters.net/Product...us/A320/index.php?sort=cn&dir=desc mariner
106 airportguy1971 : The British lounge has not been on the concourse level for quite a while. That area is now the F9 inflight crew area. BA relocated to a portion of the
107 mariner : That's exactly as I remember it. mariner
108 knope2001 : AirframeAS, with all due respect there is no attidude problem at Midwest about becoming Frontier, and that includes MostlyAir and Sideflare.[Edited 20
109 Post contains images AirframeAS : I thought the F9 inflight crew area was across from the BA gate, A37 or A39...whatever gate they leave out of. I have not heard anything about the re
110 knope2001 : If I understand correctly, the Embraers will stay on the separate certificate from Frontier for crew and contract issues, meaning: F9 Airbus 318 / 31
111 Post contains links kingcavalier : But F9 had a commercial talking about cows on the tails when they introduced the new leather seats. Griz or someone said "That's why we don't have co
112 AirframeAS : For now, yes. Later, I see the E-jets being transferred onto the F9 certificate. If the E-jets are going to be flying in F9 colors with animals on th
113 Post contains links MostlyAir : You can be your own judge, here's the BCC in Milwaukee. Maybe the one in Denver will be designed in the same light? http://www.midwestairlines.com/vi
114 UltimateDelta : (I know this isn't what you're referring to, but... ) That was the BEST commercial EVER!! Yes, it's sad to see a respected and much-loved brand go aw
115 MostlyAir : I agree with Knope, these planes flew for Midwest as Republic I see no reason why Republic would want to switch them to the F9 certificate. Republic
116 atomsareenough : "Charismatic megafauna", I believe they're called.
117 GSPSPOT : I think the branding shouldn't have been one or the other of the component carriers - they both, to an extent had regional-sounding names. Even Fronti
118 norcal : I seriously doubt it because if they are put on the F9 certificate then the FAPA pilot's contract governs them and that means a new pay scale, which
119 Post contains images mariner : I think it looks great. I'm all in favor of lounges. For me, they aren't the reason I will choose an airline, but they matter a tad. When I first sta
120 AirframeAS : Why not call it Lynx when the last Q400 leaves? That is a much better fence. If they call that Lynx then it makes much more sense. I am curious to se
121 knope2001 : I really do think you're interpreting the inflection differently than was originally intended. Sideflare has exaclty one posting in this entire threa
122 AirframeAS : He should have stated that, in which case I never got.... or he may have said that and I never saw it. I had no idea he was laid off from YX. My apol
123 knope2001 : Thanks...it's all good. I can see where you're coming from.
124 MCI10 : I don't think there is any room or a good spot to have a lounge in MCI. Since the second you walk out of the gate area you are pretty much at the doo
125 MostlyAir : To get back to a somewhat related topic to what these previous two thread have been about, the name. What will they brand the E35s and E45s as? Will t
126 F9Animal : It was a sad day when Skyway dissapeared. YX is and always will be something special. YX still lives, and it lives especially at 35k feet.
127 airportguy1971 : Yes. In the former BA lounge. The current BA lounge (soon to be F9 Best Care Club as far as all indications show) is in one wing of the CO President
128 MKENut : I agree... MostlyAir and Sideflare's posts never showed any attitude problems. I don't get why AirframeAS is getting bent out of shape over their pos
129 AirframeAS : Well, I do agree with you.... they gotta call it something. What, is something I do not know. Could they retain the L3 certificate, just phase out th
130 Post contains images FL787 : Since apparently you are incapable of reading my post, here is your source from that thread in reply #26: "It's legit, but it's my understanding that
131 Post contains links MostlyAir : Keeping the additional certificate would be more expensive when they already have the aircraft on the RP certificate. But its definitely a good idea
132 Post contains images AirframeAS : I will not argue with an unarmed man. Sorry. Go read the other thread and click on the link that was provided in that thread (reply # 26 had a Dallas
133 mariner : No need at all, right now. However, at some point in the future - two, three or four years, say - it is probable that the branded ops will need to be
134 Post contains images AirframeAS : That was precisely my point. Thank you, Mariner.
135 n7371f : Delta closed their lounge at MCI in late '98, along with several others. AA is the only club left at MCI.
136 mariner : So it must be possible to have a lounge there. mariner
137 n7371f : For those still interested in the whole Delta Air Lines element, a couple of things... First off Richard Anderson (Delta CEO) had a meeting with pilot
138 mariner : Which is pretty much what BB said - it's all or nothing. mariner
139 F9Fan : OK, back to friendlier topics. The Robin makes perfect sense. It is the state bird of Wisconsin and Michigan. I would not be surprised to see the Card
140 MCI10 : I am sure it is possible but there is not much space around our gate area. On one side is the ticket counter and the other is the baggage claim. And
141 Post contains images MKENut : Now all we need is for AA to move to Concourse D at MKE and for Frontier to join OneWorld.
142 ridgid727 : what would that bring to Oneworld that thay don't allready have?
143 Post contains links mariner : Where there is a will there is a way? And I don't know that there is a will in this case - I haven't heard that republic is thinking of having a loun
144 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Bless you. Shoot first, then ask questions later?? Interesting way of putting it. -Dave
145 MCI10 : Just saw a Frontier commercial on Kansas City tv. Started out with the YX logo through out the years and then showing the new airline as Frontier. Las
146 AirframeAS : No, sir. Just a failure to communicate some things, that's all. No harm, no foul.
147 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Well, I'm glad to see you've moderated a bit. It was starting to stress me out. -Dave
148 Post contains images sideflare75 : Wow I never thought me correcting someone's incorrect post would cause such an uproar. It was obviously never meant to be negative in any way, just co
149 sunking737 : OK does anyone have or did I miss somewhere along the multitude of threads, what the number of aircraft now flying or will soon be flying under the Fr
150 FRNT787 : Ian Arthur's presentation quoted 105 by October, but I am a bit puzzled by it. They show currently 99 aircraft: (From the Presentation) Our fleet (as
151 RWFA : I will try to make this as plain as possible so that everyone can understand it. When Republic Holdings bought Midwest and Frontier, it had it's first
152 MostlyAir : Republic could phase out or sell the Lynx certificate and transition any lift using E35-E70s to the RP and YX(RW) certificates. That would mean, what
153 sunking737 : Thanks for the fleet update. How many A/C does RJET have not counting Frontier?
154 FRNT787 : No problem. Contract fleet includes: 59 E170s (70-76 seats) 54 E175s (76/86 seats) 15 ERJ-140s (44 seats) 50 ERJ-145s (50 seats)
155 sunking737 : Thanks again very nice to know. What are the chances that they all could go to Frontier? In theory? I know some will miss read this and it will get bl
156 mariner : Perverse as ever, I think it is a very funny way of putting it. It suggests Mr. Anderson has a better sense of humor than I had previously imagined.
157 NASCARAirforce : Frontier has other "non Frontier" area animals like Killer whales, Carmen the Blue Crowned Conure (that parrot on the tail), polar bears etc. Most of
158 FRNT787 : The contract fleet is quite tied up at the moment. Theoretically, they could go to the branded flying after contract expirations. I think they will g
159 AirframeAS : But you failed to indicate that you were laid off then later hired on as a RW employee. Had you said that, there would have not been a uproar. Well,
160 Airport : I actually really love how Frontier does have quite a few exotic (well, non-native-rocky mountain anyway) animals on the tail (but not too many to di
161 FRNT787 : The whole point of acquiring F9/YX was to limit the reliance on contract flying. RAH will have the ability to leave contract flying behind should the
162 Post contains images AirframeAS : Yup! That's the whole theory I have... in a nutshell. However, I was aiming more of getting rid of contract flying as a whole. Not now, however in a
163 mcg : The parrot is in fact 'Mariner'; that's my story and I'm sticking to it!
164 Post contains links MostlyAir : I'm sure that the F9 code will remain for the Airbus aircraft and will probably also apply to the C-Serires aircraft when they come. Every business l
165 loggat : RAH will NOT give up on guarenteed profit making operations unless they have to. If the codeshare carriers want to get rid of RAH, then they would hav
166 n7371f : I think we're splitting hairs here. I've used the CO President's Club hundreds of times at DEN and it's hardly an inconvenience, either from the conc
167 AirframeAS : Thanks for pounding my suggestion. Appreciate it. Question: So let me ask: Those aircraft that are currently in Midwest colors at the moment, flying
168 Post contains links AirframeAS : I thought maybe you guys would like to see this. This is video from the 4-13 announcement. Source: TheDenverChannel. Channel 7 news. http://www.theden
169 loggat : Sorry if it came off harsh, it's just when you've been working under the BB/WH regime for years like I have, you would know that anything that even r
170 Post contains images AirframeAS : So why would you call my suggestion about E190/170's to me moved over to Lynx ridiculous? Basically what you are suggesting, transferring the Airbuse
171 Post contains links and images mariner : If you like. It may also reflect the fact that I am not now near DEN. Back in 2003, BA announced a move to a whole different area - up the few stairs
172 GentFromAlaska : Although we call them pole cats I think a skunk critter would send the wrong message. I hope to see the Humpback Whale and the Whitetail deer adorn a
173 GentFromAlaska : Perhaps a new advertising slogan which only a few companies could get away with. "This Place Is A Zoo"
174 Post contains images AirframeAS : 201. Yukon. 802. Montana. 918. Jake. 205. Ozzie. 924. Klondike and Snow. 943. Cloe.
175 knope2001 : Relatively pointless bit of trivia regarding critters and Wisconsin. Bison, elk, wolves, cougars, deer, moose and caribou are all native to the state.
176 MKENut : How about a black bear? I know they are all over the US not just Wisconsin... Gentle Ben who was from Wisconsin needs a tail to be displayed on. LOL
177 Post contains links and images kingcavalier : View Large View MediumPhoto © Tim Samples
178 MKENut : I looked again, I don't see the black bear on Frontier's website. Go figure!
179 Post contains links kingcavalier : It's not. This was on an old 737-300. It just shows that F9 has lots and lots of images that can come back. Check out www.lockonaviation.net and clic
180 timf : I find it ironic that all of the E170s shown on the LockOn site got repainted into Midwest colors and now have to be repainted back into Frontier colo
181 Post contains images mariner : Call it BB's revenge. It was the cancellation of the E170 contract that led to Republic's financial involvement in the DIP financing and was the key
182 loggat : Not quite. As the acquiring company, moving operations onto a certificate that is controlled at the IND FSDO makes a lot more sense for logistical re
183 mariner : I think he has a much smarter brain than that. Eventually, at some point in the future - two, three, four, or five years - Frontier, the branded oper
184 loggat : Assuming the contract flying business dries up for RAH when the last current contract expires (I believe 2017 is the last one for DL), all that will
185 sideflare75 : Why would I need to say that. I was simply pointing out to the poster who claimed that all Midwest and Republic employees are now employees of Fronti
186 mariner : Not necessarily, no. But it depends on BB - what his eventual ambitions are, what his end game is. It may be that he sees Frontier, the branded op, a
187 Post contains images AirframeAS : Woah.... calm down there, bro.... no need to be hostile...... You missed this, I guess.... I think I should withdraw my apology. Not my problem now w
188 Post contains images lrdc9 : Whoa there . Moving E-jets to the L3 cert., would increase costs because of the issues moving planes to a new cert., and the costs to maintain that s
189 lrdc9 : Also is there any kind of preliminary schedule for the repainting of generic and YX colored aircraft yet? If there is, care to share?
190 Post contains links mariner : Trouble with Canada? Southwest has just dumped their planned code share with WestJet: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont.../0417dnbussouthwest.25289
191 MKENut : YX's MKE-YYZ did well when it was an FRJ flying the route and before the financial crisis. But after that it tanked and even Air Canada's MKE-YYZ is
192 mariner : Ignoring potential flights, is there much consciousness of Canada in Milwaukee/Wisconsin? In Maine, for example, there is considerable cross border t
193 MostlyAir : The reason that I heard why YX dropped their YYZ flight was because of how the landing fees are set up at the Toronto airport. It is really expensive
194 USPIT10L : NW flew it as well in 2004 with a CRJ. That didn't last long at all.
195 YXwatcherMKE : This is what I also heard on the last time I was on a YX flight to YYZ. My Grandparents had a business in Hamiton Ont. so did a fair amount of travel
196 YXwatcherMKE : I do find it interesting that WN dump the code-share agreement with Westjet because they did not get Landing slot at LGA or DCA in the latest DL US s
197 Post contains links and images mariner : If you read Southwest's version of it, they are the injured party - that Westjet suddenly wanted unacceptable changes to the agreement. I have no dou
198 sunking737 : Could Frontier code share with another carrier in Canada? Porter? Any others besides AC or WJ?
199 YXwatcherMkE : What is the cost of holding onto the AOC of Lynx and other subsidiaries of RAH? If it is that costly then maybe it would be to RAH's advantage to red
200 LoneStarMike : I do - but it doesn't relate to Canada. It relates to just being able to get slots at LGA/DCA. Remember when DL/US first proposed the slot swap deal?
201 Post contains images lrdc9 : Don't get me twisted , I believe that cert is necessary as well, but as soon as he sees an opportunity to reduce costs in such a way (after some cont
202 mariner : I only know about branded ops, I don't involve myself with things like scope clauses and AOC's, etc, for the contract flying, but yes - as in post #1
203 Post contains links MKENut : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z82j2mHQDUg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJH8ZMhFcpQ There you go... Enjoy!
204 FRNT787 : The Contract ops currently require the three certificates to handle airline scopes clauses. Chautauqua cannot fly for American or Continental with E-
205 LoneStarMike : To be honest, I don't know if that's what puts them over the 5% limit. I knew they owned the slots and initially I had thought that if RAH ever wante
206 Post contains images AirframeAS : Point noted. I need to digest that (the certs thing...).... heh. I am hoping for our return to YVR! Oh, only one can hope.... This is why I don't thi
207 Post contains images YXwatcherMkE : Thanks many times for the links, the second one provided many laughs in our house, which greatly needed them. Thanks for the info. It explains a lot.
208 FRNT787 : I agree completely. It would be an incredibly bad decision (at least from my outside point of view) to get rid of it for a few reasons. You are quite
209 Post contains images mariner : It is my understanding that US Airways sold the slots to RAH with the condition that they be leased back to US Airways, and that RAH cannot end the d
210 Post contains links LoneStarMike : You may be right, but I got a different impression from reading DOT's response to the original DL/US slot swap proposal. To me it sounded like the 5%
211 mariner : When I saw that Frontier/Midwest was not included in the deal, obviously, I asked questions. The answer I have given here is the answer that came to
212 knope2001 : There's decent interaction, but definitely no daily boarder crossings. Because of the great lakes, the closest board with Canada is about 5 hours fro
213 mariner : Thanks, Knope, that's the information I was seeking - the southern Ontario links. So now I wonder about places like Sault Ste. Marie - YAM - which is
214 mke717spotter : I'm booked for MKE-MCI-SFO-MCI-MKE on YX's E190s in mid-June and I'm thinking about upgrading to premium seating on the MCI-SFO leg. The seat map for
215 Post contains links and images mariner : This something I've been waiting to see for a long time, too: http://milwaukee.bizjournals.com/mil...story8.html?b=1271649600%5E3208161 "Frontier to t
216 Antoniemey : Now THAT is good news. I remember downloading all the ones I could find and putting them on CD-ROMs for people a few years back because no one I work
217 Post contains images lrdc9 : Eh, I thought the US Airways scope stuff only prevented RAH from operating larger aircraft on behalf of US, but that any size airplane could be on a
218 MKENut : One thing that did change over the years after 9/11 is that you need a passport to cross the border by plane. I could fly in and out of Canada with j
219 YXwatcherMKE : This is very big problem to travel to Canada now. The last time I went to Canada by air the CSA for AC would not even check in a couple in fromt of m
220 AirframeAS : Hopefully, it will be regular runs similar to how WN does theirs. Id love to see an animal marketing campaign on TV in SEA!
221 Post contains links mariner : Because the campaigns have been fairly DEN-centric I guess there are new chums who haven't seen the commercials. Someone made a compilation of some o
222 AirframeAS : Thanks for sharing that. They do have interesting accounts with large companies. F9 seems to be the only airline in their portfolio.
223 Post contains images YXwatcherMKE : When is the the name the Badger contest going to start? I've got a few ideas for names and want to enter them. Has anyone got a clue yet as to when an
224 AirframeAS : I don't know if there will be a contest. I have not received a company email stating anything, yet. I think all of the E190/170's operating for F9 wi
225 Post contains links mariner : Facebook has the most recent update on that: http://www.facebook.com/frontierairlines?ref=ts Mike Smith How does one submit ideas to "Name the badger
226 alphascan : [ I think you meant from Milwaukee. Superior, WS is only 155 miles from the Canadian border near Grand Portage, MN. Biggest obstacle is trying to fit
227 Post contains links YXwatcherMKE : I was just watching some of the F9 commercials and went back to look at the new commercial to be aired in the MKE market and realized that even thoug
228 Post contains links mariner : Good eyes. You should send them an email to media@flyfrontier.com It would be interesting to see how many would pick it up. In show biz it is called
229 knope2001 : My duhh...i always think of Thunder Bay as right over the boarder into Canada but it is over an hour more. The 5 hours was from Superior to Thunder B
230 airfrnt : A couple of interesting thoughts after watching the whole Bedford presentation. I think it's pretty clear that F9 is planning on expanding by targetin
231 Post contains images MKENut : I think there will be opportunity on the horizon especially if there is another legacy mega merger.
232 FRNT787 : Is there any place I can watch Bedford's presentation in MKE, I saw Ian Arthur's but have not seen the MKE presentation.
233 lrdc9 : That is an interesting thought. I can see the advantages of ex-hubs though: -Markets used to large # of N/S flights -Infrastructure already in place
234 Post contains links LoneStarMike : It's still on WISN's website Here's Part 1 Here's Part 2 LoneStarMike
235 airfrnt : In the short term, certainly allthough I have to believe that there are 320s out there for interested parties. The more I think about it, the more I
236 YXwatcherMKE : Do you mean that they are hold onto a large supply of oil that like the US has been not wanting to do anything with them because it might damage a sm
237 YXwatcherMKE : I Did indeed send them a email explaining just why they need to do some editing.
238 Post contains images YXwatcherMKE : I was just looking at pictures of the E-170's that were part of the F9 operations prior to the F9 BK. Everyone of them that were in F9 colors were the
239 Jbo : I think it would be a nice touch to revise the Frontier livery slightly by taking the cowl stripes from the YX livery and adding them to the F9 livery
240 lrdc9 : I have always suggested that this would be a good thing to include in the rebranding. So I would be ok with this. At this point though, now that they
241 ERJ170 : You know, after watching the presentation, I didn't see that at all, really. What I saw him say was that MKE should know that they are not going to b
242 noise : Agreed...I think the point he was trying to make was that residents of Milwaukee need not to be worried about consolidation in this case; that the MKE
243 YXwatcherMKE : I also got the feeling form that statement that the company would be looking at cities like PIT, STL and CVG and other locations that lost a large am
244 Post contains links and images mariner : I got it quite clearly from the Indy Star: http://www.indystar.com/article/2010...ap-Midwest-name-fly-under-Frontier "The latest reminder of that was
245 FRNT787 : Thanks. I have been looking for that.
246 Post contains links and images MostlyAir : I'm currently trying to campaign for this as I also believe that the rings do provide a unique touch. I've already suggested it to BB, and Jim a coup
247 Post contains images AirframeAS : Green engines with Silver stripes on the intakes? I'm not convinced. That would look horrible.
248 YXwatcherMKE : I still Like it the YX way! Blue engines with Gold bands. But then again I've got a bit of a prejudges.
249 Post contains links timf : An E190 is headed to GLH for paint. This will probably be the one getting the badger. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/R...0/history/20100418/2213Z/
250 YXwatcherMKE : Any way to find out its tail number? I did not see it on the flightware info page.
251 Post contains images lrdc9 : Please do. i think it would be just the right touch of nostalgia. Plus it's a really neat touch to the livery. Well guess who's wrong YOU ARE! I thin
252 Post contains images boydatageek :
253 Post contains links and images jbo : Here's my own little rendering of the stripes on the livery, and of course all due credit to the original photographer:
254 Post contains links and images mariner : Tourism works for me, and it seems to work for Delta with MSP-YQT. Lowest fares I can find this summer, for what is a relatively shirt trip, are in e
255 noise : RDU would be an interesting North-South hub if they ever decided to open one there. It would probably be competing directly against CLT and ATL as a
256 Post contains images AirframeAS : Wrong?? About what?? Care to share what I was wrong about? See ya over there.
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