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AeroUnion A300 Crashes in Monterrey  
User currently offlinetheredbaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2212 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 37789 times:

news reports a cargo plane has crashed while trying to land in MTY...more news coming


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User currently offlinetomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 37831 times:

Report is that it is an Aerounion A300... no word on the registration or more info, apparently it crashed in the hotel area vicinity to the north...

User currently offlineXAAPB From Mexico, joined Jan 2005, 436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 37790 times:

It is confirmed AeroUnion A300 news report said part of the plane fell into airport land including an engine and a wing is on the street that goes to the airport!
sounds very bad!
RIP

[Edited 2010-04-13 23:10:57]

[Edited 2010-04-13 23:11:41]


Jorge Meneses
User currently offlinear385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6187 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 37696 times:
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Reported as an AeroUnión A300. It was bound for LAX. So far, 5 people are death, all reported by the Federal Police as crew. However the numer is "expected" to rise. Which I don´t see how, as there are no reports of hotels being hit, although one of the plane´s wings is on the main road to the airport, called "Boulevard".

The plane was taking off. Also, some cars are reported destroyed from the adjacent carparks by debris. Would those be the ones close to the ViVaerobús terminal? All roads to the airport are closed by the authorities as of now. Weather was not a factor, according to "experts".

http://www.elnorte.com/seguridad/articulo/554/1107922/

[Edited 2010-04-13 23:04:57]


MGGS
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12436 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 37680 times:

Had a quick check to look up Aerounion's fleet; three A300B4s, all c.1979 vintage:

XA-TUE (CN 78)
XA-TVW (CN 74)
XA-TWQ (CN 45)

[Edited 2010-04-13 23:02:22]

User currently offlineflynlr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 37274 times:

skynews report
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...ane_Crashed_Near_Monterrey_Airport



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User currently offlinetomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 37101 times:

Couple of photos of the A300... this was one HELL of an impact:



R.I.P to the crew and those on the ground.

[Edited 2010-04-14 01:02:42]

User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5497 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 36759 times:

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=42a18e75&opt=0
XA-TUE

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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Juan Carlos Guerra - FlyAPM



[Edited 2010-04-14 00:50:27]

User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 36596 times:

Has anyone ever noticed that whenever there is a major crash two others will follow shortly? This is the third in this recent series - The Polish Airforce Tu154, the Merpati B733 and this A300.

User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1981 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 36573 times:

Sad to read this. My visit to MEX in Feb included a short visit with Aero Union, meeting lots of their staff and taking a photo of this plane with them.

RIP
JSD



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User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 729 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 36414 times:

Quoting LMML 14/32 (Reply 8):
Has anyone ever noticed that whenever there is a major crash two others will follow shortly? This is the third in this recent series - The Polish Airforce Tu154, the Merpati B733 and this A300.

That's highly likely to be just perception. Airline chrashes can be modelled as a Poisson process, which means there will be occationally long times without chrashes, and occationally several chrashes in a short timespan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_process



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User currently offlinetom355uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 336 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 36366 times:

Quoting LMML 14/32 (Reply 8):
Has anyone ever noticed that whenever there is a major crash two others will follow shortly? This is the third in this recent series - The Polish Airforce Tu154, the Merpati B733 and this A300.

Yes, admittedly this does seem to occur more often than not - more coincidence more than anything else though, I suspect.

Another tragic loss though, and they do say that bad luck always comes in threes......



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User currently offlineAerosol From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 36184 times:

The vertical fin is where it belongs.... Just before speculation begins....

User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 35479 times:

Quoting LMML 14/32 (Reply 8):
Has anyone ever noticed that whenever there is a major crash two others will follow shortly? This is the third in this recent series - The Polish Airforce Tu154, the Merpati B733 and this A300.

True and scary * 3-4 accidents in a row*

//Mike  



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User currently offlineLHRspotter From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 35202 times:

Quoting LMML 14/32 (Reply 8):
Has anyone ever noticed that whenever there is a major crash two others will follow shortly? This is the third in this recent series - The Polish Airforce Tu154, the Merpati B733 and this A300.

And the CX incident in HKG yesterday, although not a crash seems pretty serious.

I too noticed that major air crashes sometimes happen in a very short time span, sometimes within hours:

2010: Jan 24th the TU154 crash in Iran. Jan 25th the Ethiopian 738 crash in Beirut.

2009: Feb 7th the Embraer crash in Brazil, Feb 12th the Colgan crash and Feb 25th - the TK1951 accident in AMS
then between 24th July and 11th Aug - another FOUR fatal crashes.

2008: May 25th the Calitta crash in Brussels, May 30th the TACA overrun in TGU
then Aug 20th Spanair crash in MAD, Aug 24th Itek 732 crash in Kyrgizistan.

and so on...


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 35206 times:

With just 5 airliner write-offs so far (and among them just one deadly accident) this had been a particularly "uneventful" year until the Polish president crashed 4 days ago.
And now three major incidents in 4 days.
Btw the freighter involved today was one of the 10 oldest A300s still active.

RIP to the people killed in Mexico.


User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 35005 times:

If weather was not the reason, then it's most likely mechanical.....

here's XA-TUE in all its glory

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Photo © Carlos de Anda



User currently offlineAerosol From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 34297 times:

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 16):
If weather was not the reason, then it's most likely mechanical.....

Loading?


User currently offlinedalce From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1682 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 33927 times:

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 16):
If weather was not the reason, then it's most likely mechanical.....

wrong loading
pilot error
bomb

there are so many reasons why a plane can crash, this is just speculation without any use.

RIP to the people who died.



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User currently offlineHBIHLtoEZE From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 281 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 31907 times:

Oh no,

well, even though there have been a couple of crashes in the last few weeks those are in no way related to each other...

it looks as if, unfortunately, these crashes happened because of the fact that fatal errors were repeated -

Ethiopian Airlines 409: allegedly the preliminary report into the accident states that human error was the cause.

Merpati 836: Indonesian safety records, well, those statistics are indeed horrifying - there have been so many utterly avoidable accidents that should deter passengers from flying certain airlines. I've just checked the aviation-safety.net's database - there have been 10 (!) 737 hull losses in Indonesia in the last 10 years alone...and many, many more smaller incidents involving all kinds of aircraft.

Polish Air Force crash: allegedly the pilot was put under enormous pressure as President Kaczynski wanted to attend the April 7 commemorations at Katyn. What other pilot attempts to land four times when he is aware of the ultimate danger when not being able to see anything? Air traffic control (their linguistic knowledge was just fine) advised the pilot to land at another airport, due to the poor visibility.

Aero Union: Unfortunately, Mexico has had some major security issues concerning their airlines, too. TAESA was shut down in 1999 after a DC-9 crash, in April 2006, the Mexican federal Secretariat of Communications and Transport suspended all operations of Aerocalifornia after the civil aviation authorities determined the airline was not complying with its safety standards (the result of some landing incidents and faked maintenance papers), and AVIACSA has been facing similar problems for the last two years...

It is very sad indeed to see another airliner crash, let's hope that the cause of the crash will be ruled out and this is resulting in preventing more accidents in the future...

I once pictured the crashed Aero Union's A300 on finals to LAX - looking at the pictures now is a bizarre, ghastly experience:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46423105@N03/4288526669/


Many cheers

[Edited 2010-04-14 05:17:09]

[Edited 2010-04-14 05:24:29]


Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life.
User currently offlinetom355uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 336 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 31843 times:

Quoting HBIHLtoEZE (Reply 19):
What other pilot attempts to land four times

Not really relevant to thread, but they only attempted one approach. They flew three holding patterns then crashed during the first approach.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 31303 times:

Quoting HBIHLtoEZE (Reply 19):
What other pilot attempts to land four times when he is aware of the ultimate danger when not being able to see anything?

The aircraft did NOT make four attempts to land.

The aircraft with the same flight crew had made two previous trips to that airport in the previous week including on to deliver the Polish Prime Minister and his party to Smolensk. On arriving at the airport area the day of the crash, the plane was placed in a holding pattern during a discussion between ATC and the crew about weather. Due to the highly political nature of the flight/ ceremony - the discussion had to include the President's aides and the probability of returning to Warsaw. There was no reason to divert to an alternate airport as the President would miss the ceremony. There was also confusion on the ground. Apparently the President was not expected/ invited to the ceremony, the Prime Minister was the Poland government representative and on scene. The Air Base commander did not close the airport, though he probably should have done so.

The crew elected to make one approach attempt - and crashed on the only approach attempt.


User currently offlineHBIHLtoEZE From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 281 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 31127 times:

tom355uk, rfields,

well, thanks, I stand corrected, however:

http://www.thenews.pl/national/artyk...wo-landing-attempts--not-four.html



Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life.
User currently offlineBottie From Belgium, joined May 2004, 281 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 30832 times:

RIP to the crew ... I had XA-TUE on picture at LAX last december.



Not good when the latest picture you see of it is after a (fatal) crash.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 30656 times:

Quoting HBIHLtoEZE (Reply 22):
tom355uk, rfields,

well, thanks, I stand corrected, however:

http://www.thenews.pl/national/artyk....html

Interesting - thanks for the info.

The inital reports of crashes when translated from one language to another often contain errors which become 'facts' because the major media never report the corrections to the translation errors.

re the Mexico crash

I've seen reports of the crash on takeoff and on landing.

Anyone have any certain information?


25 na : The wellknown specialist webpages such as aviation-safety.net, jacdec and avherald are reporting the crew of 2 plus 3 on the ground died. As a 1979-bu
26 aerdingus : Very sad. Condolences. RIP
27 Gonzalo : And so far is still a "quiet year" compared to the worst in history, that's talking about hard numbers. All of this subjective perceptions can be eas
28 PeachAir : The LA Times is reporting the following: "The Airbus A300 was trying to land in rainy and cloudy conditions at about 11 p.m. when it crashed on a roa
29 BHMDiversion : DL had a flight that was delayed this morning due to the road closing. Apparently, this happened around 1130L in MTY after they had arrived.
30 TimeToFly : Sad, really sad. Captain was Adolfo Muller, father of the first officer Manfred Muller. My condolences to everyone who lost a family member, a friend
31 N405MX : Just came back from the crash site, the pics are from the tailfin (what is left of it) the rest of the plane vanished in the ground, from the position
32 Fly2HMO : Most likely it was pilot error, if not, then weather, and if not, then mechanical.
33 AM744 : What about windshear? On a related topic. Has the cargo DC-9 crash in Saltillo report came out? Are DGAC reports public? Where can a regular citizen g
34 Post contains links and images ghost77 : Check the METARS on this link that was posted above: http://www.avherald.com/h?article=42a18e75&opt=0 Between the accident: MMMY 140445Z 11014KT 1
35 GARUDAROD : My heartfelt condolences to everyone at AeroUnion. That is a very tight knit company. I did some consulting work for them last year and they are all l
36 timpdx : wow, I actually have a photo of this plane XA-TUE on approach to LAX from some years back. Rest in Peace, all.
37 pzurita1 : Very good question... very good question...
38 Post contains links Fly2HMO : I think calling those METARS terrible is a stretch. Certainly poor weather, but nothing drastic. No wind gusts and visibility, though close, still ab
39 AR385 : I heard the guy from the DGAC on TV this morning, and he mentioned that planes landed trouble free before and after the crash. I do not think weather
40 AirJamaica : Indeed there have been very conflicting stories re this A300 accident in MTY. '' An AeroUnion Airbus A-300B4-200, registration XA-TUE performing frei
41 ThePinnacleKid : One can never judge the weather being a factor based on aircraft arriving before or after... just look to Delta 191 at DFW for example. That said, I
42 Post contains images Fly2HMO : I just read in a Mexican forum that a member had been working in the hangar area the night before. He said he didn't see the plane until after the fac
43 edelag : The plane is what 30 years old right?? When was the next major overhaul due? I know planes are made to last years and years of service.. but after all
44 Fly2HMO : Nobody knows that except for the airline's maintenance department and the DGAC. Unlikely. AFAIK Aerounion never had a reputation for shady maintenanc
45 JBirdAV8r : "No mention of thunderstorms..." Yikes...read a METAR lately? LTGIC=Lightning in cloud. CB=cumulonimbus. Just because a TS is not recorded at the fie
46 ghost77 : Yeah, but Mexico doesn't has the airport infrastructure NOR the flat terrain and add to that high altitudes we have to fly and this is also a differe
47 Post contains images etherealsky : Wow, how tragic - thoughts & prayers for all the families and those affected by this loss What a shame to see such a beautiful airplane lost as w
48 Oshkosh1 : I'm not going to repeat what JBird wrote...As it was stated so well. As much as I enjoy reading posts here, I get annoyed at some of the obvious "back
49 XAAPB : Age is never and issue on a well maintain airframe. Greetings
50 N405MX : Some interesting info found today with some colleagues here at airport makes think in something very plausible, it's confirmed that the crew was tryin
51 Bennett123 : IIRC, there was an issue with the early A300'S with delamination on the wing root fairing. Is structural failure a possibility.
52 AR385 : To me, what does not make sense about this crash is the place where the wreckage ended up. As far as I know, most CFIT´s crashes happen on a displac
53 tom355uk : The A300 was the first airliner to be fitted with a windshear protection system, I think it is a Reactive system that will offer the aural 'WINDSHEAR
54 N405MX : Indeed, and add that there's almost no damage at the surroundings, several whitnesses point that the plane banked right and one of the engines was ma
55 ThePinnacleKid : YIKES... I probably read more METARS and TAFs than a lot of people on this board.. and I still say... No; thunderstorms were not mentioned in either
56 Post contains images FlySSC : It is cn078, originally delivered to Air France as F-BVGM in May 1979 ... It operated also under the colors af Air Seychelles during two years (wet l
57 etherealsky : Unless you're playing the semantics game with the word "mentioned," it should go without saying that lightning (the LTGIC remark) is the direct cause
58 Post contains links ThePinnacleKid : Hey Brandon.... Indeed I was playing the semantics game and technically speaking the LTGIC while LTG does equate to thunder... it actually does not m
59 Post contains links etherealsky : That's a good point you bring up. I hadn't thought about it before, but I had a look in Aviation Weather Services (AC 00-45G) and this is what it say
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