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User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1817 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 15400 times:

Hi,

I have a few questions about LH long-haul fleet.

1. When is LH going to retire their B747-400s?
2. Are B747 still not equiped with PTV´s?
3. On which routes do they operate A332, A333, A343, A346 and B744 respectively?

Regards, Alex

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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 15288 times:

There is no official plan to retire the 744 fleet. Some planes will be phased out though with the arrival of the A380 and 747-8I. There plans to equip the 744s with PTVs I am not sure if this has already started.

LH has no A330-200. The one they had were only on short term lease. The A333 is used on middle and long haul routes to Asia, Africa and North America. The 747-400 is used only used from FRA while the A330s and A340s are also used from MUC and DUS.



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User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 15262 times:

Quoting columba (Reply 1):
There plans to equip the 744s with PTVs I am not sure if this has already started.

I want to book a flight on B747, but my friends that are traveling to me, are refusing becase LH has no PTV´s on board and we will be on a 13 hours flight   
Thanks for reply anyway, I am expecting more replies!


User currently offlinemacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 15184 times:

dont know of any PTV in their B747s.


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User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 15060 times:

Quoting AlexEU (Thread starter):
I have a few questions about LH long-haul fleet.

1. When is LH going to retire their B747-400s?
2. Are B747 still not equiped with PTV´s?
3. On which routes do they operate A332, A333, A343, A346 and B744 respectively?

See here. Should answer most of your questions. The website is in German only, but I think this thread is pretty much self-explaining...



WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10630 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 14685 times:

I´ll be onboard a LH 744 tomorrow so I think I can tell you then!

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 2):
I want to book a flight on B747, but my friends that are traveling to me, are refusing becase LH has no PTV´s on board and we will be on a 13 hours flight   

PTV is not decicive for me when choosing an airline. For most of the time I´ll be reading anyway, and otherwise I can watch a film on the big screen. I dont need Video games.


User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 14618 times:

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 4):
See here. Should answer most of your questions. The website is in German only, but I think this thread is pretty much self-explaining...

Thanks for the link, a lot of info there but its biased towards A... Smile
Quoting na (Reply 5):

PTV is not decicive for me when choosing an airline. For most of the time I´ll be reading anyway, and otherwise I can watch a film on the big screen. I dont need Video games.

I guess the same for most a.nutters. We´d rather be flying on a certain aircraft we prefer. B747-400 will become a rare aircraft in 5 years.
Btw, how is the LH service compared to LX or OS?

Quoting na (Reply 5):
I´ll be onboard a LH 744 tomorrow so I think I can tell you then!

Looking forward!

[Edited 2010-04-14 05:12:42]

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10630 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 14613 times:

Quoting AlexEU (Thread starter):
1. When is LH going to retire their B747-400s?

LH received their 747 in two batches, ca 50/50. The first batch was built 1989-92, the second batch ca. 1997-2001.
As LH is using its 744s very heavily (the first few planes have already clocked more than 100.000 flight hours) the first batch will most likely be replaced by A380s and 748Is over the next few years. I think the second batch will be in service up to around 2020 and do not expect a single frame of the second batch to be sold before 2015 unless LH uses the options taken on more 748s.
Btw the number of A380s and 748s ordered equals the number of the current 744 fleet.

Anyone knows until when the last of the 20 748s ordered will be delivered?


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10630 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 14546 times:

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 6):
Btw, how is the LH service compared to LX or OS?

With about 100 flights with LH, just two on LX and none with OS I can only say I found no difference to LX, and never had to complain about LH´s service (btw, I´m not a LH employee).


User currently onlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1300 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14274 times:

LH does have PTV on the 747s, you "just" have to get a seat in Business or First  


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9144 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14183 times:

Quoting na (Reply 7):
Btw the number of A380s and 748s ordered equals the number of the current 744 fleet.

they have 30 744s but 15 A380 and 20 748s on order

Quoting na (Reply 7):
nyone knows until when the last of the 20 748s ordered will be delivered?

last 380 of the first batch of 15 is 02/15 and last 748i 08/13, if no delays or deferrals.

They are flexible with the replacement but safe to say that 1 of the new orders replaces a 744 unless traffic hits the roof.



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User currently offlineRonaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13945 times:

I think there is PTV in Y installed on one 744 for testing but I don't know on which frame. But I guess that there will be PTV at least on the newer frames in the medium term.

[Edited 2010-04-14 07:15:52]

User currently offlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13863 times:

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 2):
I want to book a flight on B747, but my friends that are traveling to me, are refusing becase LH has no PTV´s on board and we will be on a 13 hours flight
Thanks for reply anyway, I am expecting more replies!

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User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 809 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 13260 times:

According to mucforum the LH 744s which are going to stay in the fleet will be getting PTV installed between December 2010 and April 2011.

One test aircraft will get PTV already in April / May 2010.


So one more year to go till all LH aircraft have PTV...


User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 13067 times:

Last week LH sent B744 to DXB with PTVs installed on Y

User currently offlineFlyWhisperjets From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11231 times:

Quoting AlexEU (Thread starter):
Hi,

I have a few questions about LH long-haul fleet.

1. When is LH going to retire their B747-400s?
2. Are B747 still not equiped with PTV´s?
3. On which routes do they operate A332, A333, A343, A346 and B744 respectively?

Regards, Alex

Alex you can't go wrong flying LH.....They have one of the cleanest fleets in the sky.....I have never seen a dirty LH bird.....I fly with them regularly between MCO, MIA and FRA....Everytime I fly out of MIA it is a 747.....Out of MCO they use the 333 during Florida's off season. When the snow birds fly into town during winter it gets upgraded to a 346....I have flown LH since the 80's when the used 742 and DC10's out of MIA......They are the best.....and I feel safe because they keep there planes serviced and clean....PTV,s in business and first on 744....Just bring a dvd player and watch your own movie.......Have a great trip...Bill



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5231 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11119 times:

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 2):
I want to book a flight on B747, but my friends that are traveling to me, are refusing becase LH has no PTV´s on board and we will be on a 13 hours flight

That's unfortunate because, IMHO, LH Y service is otherwise quite good.

[Edited 2010-04-14 14:20:15]


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User currently offlinekevin752 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 726 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10525 times:

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 2):
I want to book a flight on B747, but my friends that are traveling to me, are refusing becase LH has no PTV´s on board and we will be on a 13 hours flight
Thanks for reply anyway, I am expecting more replies!

I have flown LH many of times from LAX to FRA. Its nice to have P tv's but not that important. They have pretty good service, food is decent and always a great flight. So dont always plan ur travel plans if the airline has p tv or not. I flew on CX and barely watched tv for 15.5 hrs and had a huge p tv in J class. Go with LH they are a great carrier. I hope they keep the 744 for awhile longer. This is just my oppinion.



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User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10334 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 14):
Last week LH sent B744 to DXB with PTVs installed on Y

That would be big news! Any registration of that plane?


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10091 times:
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Quoting AlexEU (Reply 6):
I guess the same for most a.nutters. We´d rather be flying on a certain aircraft we prefer. B747-400 will become a rare aircraft in 5 years.
Btw, how is the LH service compared to LX or OS?

Their service is completely comparable in terms of quality with a few exceptions here and there. You'll find the OS & LX long fleet all have AVOD IFE in all cabins. On OS, the J cabin has a personal chef and on LX you'll find their F & J cabins to be the most modern and comfortable of the three.
You'll still have great service on LH wherever you maybe flying too. In the main cabin, you'll apreciate the quality and money they spend on their catering especially compared to BA & VS (Their second meal on longhaul is barely what you'd call a snack on North America flights including the westcoast. LH, LX, and NZ offer a full second meal on their westcoast flights.)

Quoting kevin752 (Reply 17):
I have flown LH many of times from LAX to FRA. Its nice to have P tv's but not that important. They have pretty good service, food is decent and always a great flight. So dont always plan ur travel plans if the airline has p tv or not. I flew on CX and barely watched tv for 15.5 hrs and had a huge p tv in J class. Go with LH they are a great carrier. I hope they keep the 744 for awhile longer. This is just my oppinion.

   Exactly, Kevin. In fact, traveling from LAX to Europe, you'll find the inflight product on LH to better than that of BA, and VS. LH is comparable too LX, & NZ. The only area LH is lacking is having up to date and more modern premium cabins but they are still plenty comfortable.

As far as the 744 getting AVOD IFE in the main cabin, I believe the process has started. This will take sometime to complete. What you can do and it's a necessity for you & your friends to have AVOD is to fly on the 343/346 to your destination if it's offered like it is in markets FRA-LAX-FRA. They offer both a 346 which is the later departure and the 744 is the earlier one.


User currently offlinewillyknut From Norway, joined Apr 2010, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9988 times:

Hi Alex!

I've been to all continents with LH in both Y and C and they are pretty good, but recently I have found LX a tiny bit better. LX is owned by LH (as is OS), but the individual service was definately a bit better on LX. Maybe I was just lucky with my crews but I found that LX crews were not quite so "robotlike" as LH. I have never been longhaul with OS but I'm sure standards are pretty good there as well. Legroom is worse on OS though, I think you get 2 inches less in Y. Check out www.seatguru.com for details. Great site!


User currently offlineBEG2IAH From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 930 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9215 times:
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Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 4):
See here. Should answer most of your questions. The website is in German only, but I think this thread is pretty much self-explaining...

This site shows that A343's and A34V's all have PTVs. Is that true??!?!!

On another note, LH is great. Their A333 rocks, it just blew me away!!! I hope to fly A346 soon so no idea if it's good. B744 is the best aircraft ever built, and I don't miss a chance to fly on it whenever I can, but flying without a PTV for more than 10 hrs kinda sucks if you can't sleep on a plane like I can't. Another option is to carry a laptop with an extra battery.

BEG2IAH



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User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8899 times:

Guys thanks for replies!

My option is now narrowed to LH 744 or MH 77E...I gues Malaysian has better service then LH, but I wouldnt mind being on a Jumbo since I never flew on it.

Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 21):
A346 soon so no idea if it's good. B744 is the best aircraft ever built, and I don't miss a chance to fly on it whenever I can,

I flew on A346 (TG not LH) and to be honest its nothing special compared with other A340s.


User currently offlineBEG2IAH From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 930 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8877 times:
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Quoting AlexEU (Reply 22):
I flew on A346 (TG not LH) and to be honest its nothing special compared with other A340s.

But it has real engines, it must be better than A343.  

BEG2IAH



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User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7092 times:

Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 23):

But it has real engines, it must be better than A343.

Actually its the other way round! I found A340-300 CFM engines to be more powerful and louder then RR A340-600!


25 Post contains images FRAspotter : Unless of course having to walk down a flight of stairs to use the restroom is all that special...
26 Kappel : Not much difference I reckon. Same seats, same PTV's, same service, same config (8 abreast in Y). I actually really like that. Gives an opportunity f
27 Burkhard : People originating from the northern half of Germany tend to be more robotlike in average than those from the southern half, and this trend of increa
28 LHPII : D-ABVK
29 AlexEU : But you still cant say that MH is unsafe company...I will be flying with MH, even though I wanted to fly LH! Its not all because of PTVs, but more be
30 Post contains links Robffm2 : The link in answer 4 to mucforum.de shows D-ABVK planned for upgrade later this month and that upgrade to be finished by the middle of May. I don't t
31 Kappel : That's likely due to derated take-off being used. The a333 should have much more "spare" thrust thant the a343.
32 BEG2IAH : I meant the aircraft blew me away. The service was the same. It had to be a derated takeoff. It's a mighty bird. BEG2IAH
33 Kappel : I really like LH's airbus fleet now. Nice big PTV's, seats are fine and the 8 abreast in Y is excellent. I liked the a300 as well, but unfortunately
34 na : I was on one of the newer 744s, second batch. That one still had old Eco seats without PTVs. All seats, Eco, Business and First though looked like br
35 seabosdca : This is why I love LH, PTVs or not. They maintain their aircraft so well that even a bird with 100,000+ hours looks shiny, clean, and new inside. It
36 LHPII : In fact that was the oldest one, used by Boeing as a flight test aircraft, but was delivered to LH as a seconnd one.
37 Kappel : Indeed. I flew their a300 at the end of their service with LH (and some were over 20 years old and heavily used by then), they still looked pristine
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