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Mystery 777 Order (12 a/c), Possibly for EK?   
User currently offlinecosmofly From United States of America, joined May 2009, 649 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 33412 times:

Boeing posted a new order for 12 777s. Could this be EK?

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User currently offlineboeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 33228 times:

What is to say the order is not several UFO's from different carriers? Also depends on the 777 variant.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

Eitherway good news for Boeing and the economy of commercial travel.



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 32432 times:

Quoting cosmofly (Thread starter):
Could this be EK?

That would be my guess as well.



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User currently offlinecloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 32188 times:

Isn't EK getting rid of all 200ERs and -300s and replacing them with -300ERs?


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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 32088 times:

Quoting cloud4000 (Reply 3):
Isn't EK getting rid of all 200ERs and -300s and replacing them with -300ERs?

I thought they were replacing their 77E's with A359s and 773's with A350-1000s, and continuing to build up their 77W fleet? Either way, nice to see 12 more orders for the mighty 777.



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User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 31920 times:

What about TK?
My guess will be EK.The Variant will be 77W i guess.



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User currently offlineboeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 31901 times:

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 5):
What about TK?

Turkish Airlines TURKEY Europe 777-300ER GE 30-Apr-2009 5
Turkish Airlines TURKEY Europe 777-300ER GE 23-Jul-2009 7

Placed order last year.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30639 posts, RR: 84
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 31897 times:
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I expect it is EK.

Chairman Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed al-Maktoum stated on March 16 that the airline would place an order for more than a dozen aircraft to meet rising demand.

Link to his statements.

[Edited 2010-04-15 10:12:40]

User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3742 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 30673 times:
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Could it be BA? Isn't BA adding the 77W to its fleet? I believe they are. If it is the variant is 200LR then it might be BA as well. Not sure if BA is adding more 772's to their fleet but I wouldn't be surprised if they add those in the LR version to replace the oldest 744's on long haul routes that would not support VLA's.

Air France? Could be, especially if the variant is 300ER.

JAL, I don't think so because they are struggling financially.

I know it's not American.

It might as well be ILFC.

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User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 711 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 29167 times:
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Quoting American 767 (Reply 8):
It might as well be ILFC.

Not ILFC they just sold 53 aircraft yesterday - trying to knock down debt. Thanks to AIG they no longer can get the financing they used too.


User currently offlineT8KE0FF From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 410 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 28743 times:

How about the start of the Long Haul FR airline?....
Rather unlikely but still...........



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17056 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 28673 times:

Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 10):
How about the start of the Long Haul FR airline?....
Rather unlikely but still...........

Very, very unlikely. I doubt we will see any Long Haul FR in the near future.



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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4756 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 27338 times:

It is 100% for EK and shall most likely be announced at this year upcoming Farnborough 2010 Air Show in mid July.

12 B 777-300ERs  


User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 27028 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 11):
I doubt we will see any Long Haul FR in the near future.

And if we did, I think they would be starting with 787-8s, not something as expensive and ridiculously capable as a 77W.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12401 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 26811 times:
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Could well be EK, but two points:

1 - They said they'd order "more than 12"

2 - They're not normally shy about announcing orders - have they ever previously had a UFO order?



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17056 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 26263 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 13):
And if we did, I think they would be starting with 787-8s

Exactly what I also thought. It will fit their operations better.



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 26119 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 14):
have they ever previously had a UFO order?

To the best of my knowledge, no they haven't. Which made an e-mail I received even more interesting. The correspondent was adamant that these were not for Emirates. This individual has very good contacts with that airline and would probably be in a position to know. However, he's at a loss at present to speculate on who the 12 are for, if they are indeed for a single customer.

We shall see what develops.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 25980 times:

QF   

Finally come to the realization that this is the 388 is jsut too big for some routes.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30639 posts, RR: 84
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 25519 times:
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Well if it is not EK, who else would it be?

I think we can safely eliminate QF and LH.  

AI and 9W will clearly not be adding to their orders. Nor will JL, though I suppose if NH has been told they will become the sole Japanese international carrier they could be stocking up.  

Maybe TG? They're supposed to place an order for new widebodies this year and they are leasing a slew of 77Ws and 77Fs as interim lift.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24906 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 25480 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 8):
If it is the variant is 200LR then it might be BA as well.

BA has no routes, and no potential routes, where the 200LR would make any sense. That's true for all other European carriers also.


User currently offlinej0rdan From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 25449 times:

Air Canada? 



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User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6503 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 25094 times:

Nice to see more 777s being ordered after some recent cancellations.

I guess BA, QF, QR and TG would be likely candidates as customers since apperently is not EK. BA only has two on order and will lease another four but have a lot of 744s to replace. Another possibility would be GECAS who would lease out the aircraft, perhaps to TG.

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User currently offlineAirCanadaA330 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 24625 times:
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Quoting j0rdan (Reply 20):
Air Canada?



What? I can dream, can't I?

haha yeah, it would be nice to see them adding to their fleet



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User currently offlinecosmofly From United States of America, joined May 2009, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 23647 times:

It can be from China for some trade balance. Some 777 will do them a lot of good.

User currently offlineaviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 23087 times:

They're mine. I bought all twelve.


Might as well be me. Good as some of the other speculation above.



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25 Eightball : It's probably SV, because if the order is for 777-300ERs, it would be a perfect replacement for the 747 classics in their fleet.[Edited 2010-04-15 19:
26 FWAERJ : Everyone mentions Emirates, but they said that they would order more than 12 planes (in true EK fashion). But I'm surprised no one has mentioned Delta
27 Stitch : That doesn't mean they had to order only from one type / family. There could be follow-on orders - say some more A330-200s?
28 brenintw : However, there are, AFAIK, no whitetail PAX 744s out there. The last two PAX 744s built were delivered to CI a couple of years ago, and both are doin
29 FWAERJ : The whitetail 744s that DL would get would be trade-ins... after all, just like car dealers, Boeing takes trade-ins.
30 web500sjc : where would DL use such aircraft, 777 or 744? not to mention why in this time would delta buy a 744 when the 777 would last them longer
31 aviationbuff08 : I though about this for a minute, but for 2 reasons I have to believe these orders are not for DL. 1. I believe it was Mr. Bastain said that DL plans
32 deltal1011man : They could be for growth......but AFAIK they aren't for Delta. SQ has(had?) 4 PW powered birds in VCV for sale buy Boeing.
33 CFBFrame : Let's see SQ has been delayed getting their -9s, KA has not received many recently, Qatar has gotten their make up. Iraq recently ordered 737, think t
34 CHRISBA777ER : SQ are in desperate need of more 77Ws and have 13 options - perhaps they firmed up 12 of them. I know they cant get their hands on more 77Ws quick eno
35 Reggaebird : I believe that this is Delta's UFO order for 777-300ERs and 777-200LRs. It will replace their 18 NWA orders for 787-8s. Makes a lot of sense.
36 deltal1011man : 1) can US carrier do UFOs? Wouldn't they have to report it to the SEC? 2) Would Delta do both LRs and ERs here? I know they LOVE the LR but would the
37 web500sjc : an ER would be a nice gap filler between the 744 and 77L, but where would DL even use these new aircraft.
38 deltal1011man : Well DL did come very close to leasing all 12 of EKs 773As but EK, at the last sec, kept them because the 380 was late(darn you airbus). So They have
39 American 767 : On selected markets where there are a lot of demand for Business traveling ATL-CDG ATL-MXP ATL-GRU ATL-NRT (not sure if the 77W has the range to fly
40 web500sjc : what are the loads on current LR (not requiring an LR) or 744 routes? - would they maybe up gage LAX-SYD (like vAstralia)? - explore HKG from ATL, - s
41 CHRISBA777ER : Guys, its not DL. I know its DL Everything round here, but I'm 100% sure they arent for DL. As ive said - SQ look a good bet, as do EK. Who else might
42 frigatebird : I have wondered why SQ didn't exercise any of their options on 77W's before. Sure, normally they would be receiving their first 789's and 359's wirhi
43 CX flyboy : I think CX are due for a top-up order of 77Ws and indeed there are rumours around that a MoU was placed a couple months ago for a total of 30+ 'Boeing
44 jayeshrulz : Yes. Even i have a strong intuition that its CX.It may be possible that they have exercised their options for the 77W. And i believe the MOU was in D
45 Post contains images columba : Not so fast LH could be a possibility: a) LH Cargo for the 777F b)Aero Logic for the 777F c)OS for expansion d)compensation for 747-8I delays [Edited
46 SQ325 : I agree as far as i know they are not very happy with their B748 order as well as Boeing isn' t really amused to build the pax version. Maybe there w
47 Robffm2 : Would be a nice sight. But I would be surprised to see it happen.
48 9mmpd : This is very intresting. I think it could be MH, Then they can get rid of their 12 or so 744s left in the fleet. TG, as they are already will be leasi
49 Post contains images deltal1011man : They may not be.....but LH isn't the only one with orders for the 747-8I. (PS I am so hoaapy i can say that now.....i was starting to worry about the
50 columba : I agree I doubt that LH will order any pax 777s for themself, my post was more meant as joke due to all "when will LH cancel the 747-8I threads" Stil
51 ba319-131 : - No chance of BA adding the LR, nowhere to use a plane with this capability. - It is indeed possible.
52 The777Man : Yes, CA has an order for 15 77Ws already; first delivery in Jul11 from what I've heard. 9MMPD brings up some good points and I think they mostly like
53 Post contains images jayeshrulz : I am so sorry.I meant Air China CA not CI Also, these 12 777 may be freighters by 1 or more airlines because its not confirmed whether its Pax or Car
54 Northstar80 : My bet is on TK. They recently announced that they are negotiating with Boeing for 777Fs and also has 12 773ERs on order. I think they will order a mi
55 Post contains images Dizzy777 : Since when have you known QF to be quiet about any a/c orders? They would be shouting about it to get all the attention they could. I cant see it bei
56 Post contains links Dizzy777 : Ok, found it http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...rabia-to-launch-egyptian-lcc/page1
57 Kappel : Interesting, that would mean AMS would see the 77W. But what will they do with long haul markets with less premium demand? I suppose they would need
58 sunrisevalley : What about V.Aus.? Believe there was a recent thread saying they were in negotiation with Boeing for 738's and 777's. The 738 deal was completed about
59 CX flyboy : Yes and a mere several weeks after that said that, they changed their minds and tried to accelerate deliveries!! Such is the rapidly changing world o
60 Post contains images overloaduk : my bet is on TK. They recently announced that Yes i remember this i was thinking it could be Virgin Australia with the 77W or 77L or both would love t
61 frigatebird : I believe they just cancelled their two remaining 77W's on order.
62 Stitch : Correct. They converted their last two firm orders to options.
63 Post contains images Delimit : Long time lurker, first-time poster. Be gentle, and pardon the slight tangent. I seem to read variations of this here a lot and I really don't underst
64 Post contains links travelhound : Interesting little tid bit: The Australian newspaper is reporting that VA delayed delivery of those two 777's from 2011 to 2012. http://www.theaustra
65 Post contains links Stitch : ATW noted on Tuesday they had been "converted to options for 2012 delivery" to allow VA to review their fleet strategy, including possibly taking 787
66 web500sjc : so whos 777 are these? we have ruled out V.AUS, sounds like EK and DL too.
67 Lumberton : Disclaimer: I'm not trying to be annoying, but the same source just e-mailed me to say these airframes are NOT for SQ. Source can not rule out CX. If
68 pnwtraveler : It isn't AC. While they have unconverted options still for the 777(can be either the 77L or 77W), until the 787 arrives and is in service I don't thin
69 NZ107 : They still have to replace the A343 fleet however. I believe this would be best done by using the 77W. I'm still hoping for a 748i in CX colours thou
70 tayser : we have? the conversion of 2 orders to options could have been a very crafty piece of PR - setting the stage for a surprise order of a mix of 77W/77L
71 Stitch : CX's senior management have been quoted in the press as saying both that they felt the A388 and 748 might be too large for their needs and that they
72 travelhound : I hadn't seen that article. Everything is pointing to VA doing something big (in relative terms) in the near future. On the same point you would thin
73 cosmofly : That is what is said in CX's website under their 777 fleet description. Since they have 12 777s (non ER) and 15 340s to replace, it is possible that
74 CX flyboy : The current plan is to replace the 744s first and that job goes to the 77W. No existing plans to replace the remaining 11 A343s still flying. The oth
75 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Not quite true. They still have one more outstanding. Not sure of the delivery date. Interesting. Have not heard much on my end. However, I will say
76 Post contains links ZK-NBT : Ah heck lets have a go. I'd have thought SQ would have been a good candidate seeing that they still have 7 744s to replace and could do with a few mor
77 web500sjc : how about a SkyTeam, *A, or OW order? it could be for a number of airlines - maybe some of the alliance members are trying a buy together approach.
78 TeamDA : Jan 2007 though if you look at the end of the article. Not sure if China Southern still plan such rapid growth given the down turn? But then from wha
79 PA515 : To help narrow it down, an unidentified order would most likely be for a government or privately owned airline as publically listed companies are usua
80 Kelual : Guys you seem to forget that the expert in placing Ghost orders when manufacters go on Sale is IB... well now BA/IB
81 na : It´ll surely be a major operator, and likely be a follow-on order to streamline the fleet. I could see SQ, SV or CX behind it to replace older 772s a
82 columba : I am not so sure about SQ given that they have 787 and A350 on order and future growth will likely be based around these aircraft.
83 yellowtail : Guys...we are forgetting the S. American airlines..maybe a LA or a JJ....maybe boeing have convinced LA to dump their 340s..since they already operate
84 The777Man : It would be a huge strech for any of the airlines mentioned to buy 12 777s; even JJ still has 4 (or perhaps even 6) more 777s on order. LA will get t
85 pink77W : my bet is on TK. or CX..or EK ....no way LA
86 The777Man : An anonymous person sent me an email saying it's from UPS. I don't know if they ever placed an order to replace their A390F order that was cancelled ?
87 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Eventually, yes. But even then it can be buried in the books. There have been numerous occasions when publically listed companies have had UFO orders
88 UPS757Pilot : I have been having trouble with my password, and wanted to post this yesterday, but my guess is UPS...FedEx is making good with their Asia direct USA
89 UPS757Pilot : We bought 744s both new and converted, but they don't offer the same payload/range combinations as the 777. UPS was courted by Boeing to be the launc
90 ZK-NBT : I should re phrase that. People here seemed to have ruled them out. I guess I was thinking maybe someone or some people had sources. I'd probably agr
91 Post contains images kaitak : Isn't EK one of these? They should know! I know they said they'd be ordering 12 widebodies at some stage, but if they say this isn't them, that's goo
92 rolfen : Why would EK not make this info public? In the past they have "rubbed it in everyone's face", and now it would be a good time to do that too and show
93 Stitch : Maybe they want to make a big splash at Farrnborough? Or even the Dubai show? If this order was placed by EK, since Chairman Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed a
94 PM : It's all circumstantial but... BA have the need, BA have already placed a tiny order (2 + 4 leased) for 777-300ERs, BA are still wrestling with union
95 Post contains images Hamlet69 : As Stitch already pointed out, it could be any number of reasons. A) they plan to make additional orders and want to make them all public at once. B)
96 Post contains links and images SV777 : Got one word for you guys: SV
97 Lumberton : Welcome to a.net BTW. Thanks for posting that. It certainly "fits" rather well, doesn't it?
98 QatarA340 : Its likely QR. They have options for more 777s and are likely to order more to replace the A330s.
99 Post contains images frigatebird : Second that. I think SV777 has nailed this one... unless SV intends leasing them, but that seems less likely.
100 SV777 : Thanks I think SV changed their original 12 B787-9 order from ALAFCO with this one directly from Boeing even though ALAFCO website still showing the
101 aa1818 : So they will not be receiving any 787s? They decided to get the 777-300ER instead of the 787-9? AA1818
102 Stitch : Well they are in the process of updating the interiors on their entire 77E fleet and they are scheduled to receive new A333s, so it's possible the 78
103 fcogafa : 10 B787 cancellations showing on the Boeing site
104 timboflier215 : It all nearly fits then! If this is SV, and they have cancelled the ALAFCO leases, then there are still 2 787s unaccounted for, unless ALAFCO have pl
105 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Thanks/Shukrun! Welcome/Marhaban SV777 Unless ALAFCO cancels, that order wouldn't be put on Boeing's website. I also think ALAFCO won't have any prob
106 kaitak : Possibly, but they haven't had much luck so far; weren't some of the aircraft ordered by ALAFCO also to be leased to KU, which also cancelled! Defini
107 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Air Berlin. Hamlet69
108 Post contains images timboflier215 : Ah, yes. That makes more sense. I was thinking that any ALAFCO cancellation had showed up rather quickly! Plus I would have thought they would be abl
109 Post contains links Jacobin777 : Well we don't really know as the B789 is a bit far off and not only that, QF have now stated they want some earlier slots-which to me is an indicatio
110 pink77W : Good job SV777. I'm still hoping against hope for BA
111 Post contains images Eightball : Righteous!!!! This is gonna be a sweet lookin' plane. [Edited 2010-04-19 14:10:55]
112 Post contains images cosmofly : Now the post served its purpose
113 yellowtail : Except some other psoter in another thread is now saying it is for DL!
114 Post contains links and images cosmofly : 2 more 777 UFOs today. As Boeing said, more orders are expected but UBS (link below) said the 777 are over ordered by 33 units, and now by 35 http://b
115 Post contains images seabosdca : Erm... 777 over-ordered by 33 units, but 747 under-ordered by 44 units? Doesn't that just suggest that the airlines disagree with these people about
116 Post contains images scbriml : For what it's worth, AeroTransport showed an order for 12 777-300(ER) for Saudi Arabian Airlines in their weekly report this week. However, their sys
117 Post contains links david_itl : LY cancelling 4 777s per this article with money used as deposits for them to be credited against future orders. I wonder if we may see a LY 787 order
118 Stitch : Boeing recorded two more 777 UFOs this week.
119 Post contains links SV777 : Angola's TAAG orders two 777-300ERs http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...as-taag-orders-two-777-300ers.html
120 Post contains links cosmofly : Today Boeing booked another 20 UFOs. Will these finally be EK's? http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
121 Post contains images Stitch : EK had planned to announce their financial results today, but delayed it until tomorrow due to the General Election in the United Kingdom so the medi
122 columba : I wasn´t serious but James McNerney is taking the long trip to Hamburg for a LH/Boeing friendship festival and I suppose it might have to do with th
123 kaitak : I had heard this and I think that this shows they didn't want the news "buried", i.e. they have good news. Their financial results are reported to be
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